========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 20:28:46 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: Re: Consulting Services Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" While I could spend hours addressing this, I will start by pointing out that I am presenting a Talk at the ACS Meeting in New Orleans on "When to Use a Consultant". It will be in the Div. CHAS. At 02:20 PM 4/30/99 -0700, you wrote: >What might we want to take into consideration prior to offering >consulting services (health and safety)? You are setting up a business - the easiest rule is to have 2 years income put away, because it takes that long to (maybe) become profitable. > >What legal obligations would we have? Aside from some reporting obligations if you discover things like releases to the environment, you are a professional, acting in a professional capacity and therefor are subject to Errors and Omissions liabilities. > >What type and how much insurance coverage? > In addition to general liability and vehicle you need at least $1 million E&O; my policy is costing about $3,500 per year, my bids last year ranged up to $8,000. >What in the way of certification and licensing? > What ever the clients want ... I suggest CSP/CIH if you are doing safety; REA or REI (Registered Environmental Assessor or Registered Environmental Inspector) for enviromental. My Ph.D. has served me well. >Other concerns? You are running a small business - have fun! Visit my web page to check out the Professional Offer which may be of interest. > >Teresa > > ********************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY 8909 C Complex Drive San Diego, CA 92123-1002 619-874-5577 619-874-8239 (FAX) neal@chemical-safety.com NEW and REVISED! Visit our Home Page: http://www.chemical-safety.com The Source for the prevention of injury, illness and environmental insult! ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:56:32 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Peter Ashbrook Subject: campus transport of chemicals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been reading this thread for several days and am a bit distressed that no one has quoted the regulations. Several universities have obtained written opinions from the DOT that transport of chemicals or hazardous waste does not constitute transportation "in commerce." Therefore, vehicles do not need to be placarded and one doesn't need to worry about whether streets are public or are crossed perpendicularly. State universities have an even additional exemption in that state agencies are exempt from most of the federal motor carrier safety regulations by an exemption in 49 CFR 390. Some states may have more stringent interpretations of transportation "in commerce" or may require vehicles to be placarded for intracampus transport of chemicals on public highways, but the Feds do not regulate this activity. Do I think it is a good idea to ignore the federal regulations because we are exempted? No. I think that there are times when it is appropriate to placard our vehicles even though not required. Even more important, our drivers should always have good documentation about the amount and hazards of the chemicals being transported. Peter Ashbrook, CHMM Assistant Director Chemical Safety Section Division of Environmental Health and Safety University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:45:28 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: John Neil Subject: Re: campus transport of chemicals In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19990501220026.4b57ee36@postoffice.ehs.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have trouble with people wanting to placard vehicles when not required. It provides false information to emergency responders that the situation is more dangerous than it actually is. There is a big difference as to what you do at an accident with 1000+ kg of flammable liquids than what you would do at an accident with a case (16 kg) of flammable liquids. I do agree that even if not required hazardous materials should be properly segregated, properly packed and labeled, and there should be shipping papers that conform to DOT reg's in the driver's compartment. Another problem I have seen -- reuse of those nice, sturdy, boxes used to ship solvents without removing or changing the labels. One of my reoccurring nightmares in a previous job was of someone trapped in a burning vehicle with a box leaking water that still had the flammable liquid diamond on it. Rescue would be considerable slowed. (Since the agency was exempt from DOT reg's, no one could be brothered to fill out shipping papers either.) John Neil ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:12:50 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Stoll, Ilse (Ilse)" Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I will be there. Ilse Stoll TRB198BG Environmental Laboratory Lucent Technologies 555 Union Blvd. Allentown, PA 18103 610.712.5505 voice 610.712.4400 fax > ---------- > From: Don Abramowitz[SMTP:dabramo1@SWARTHMORE.EDU] > Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List > Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 7:26 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: AIHA Conference, Toronto > > Are any other NACHOs going to the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation > Conference/Exposition in Toronto in June? If so, I'd like to figure out a > time for us to meet up, for lunch or something, to say hello in person. > > Please advise. > > Don > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~ > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:43:20 -0400 Reply-To: fullert@bc.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Thomas Fuller Subject: "POLY-DOLLY" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII --- Begin Forwarded Message --- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:18:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Thomas Fuller Subject: "POLY-DOLLY" Sender: fullert@bc.edu To: LABSAFETY-l@SIU.EDU Cc: ARTHUR ANDERSEN 1 Reply-To: fullert@bc.eduANDERSAB Message-ID: Does anyone have any experience with the use of a "POLY-DOLLY" mobile dispensing station? This device is available from Lab Safety Supply. My concern is static charge build-up while dispensing acetone from a 55-Gallon drum into a 1 Gallon glass or other nonconductive container. Is it necessary to bond the nonconductive container? Thank you. ---------------------- Thomas Fuller fullert@bc.edu Boston College --- End Forwarded Message --- ---------------------- Thomas Fuller fullert@bc.edu Boston College ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 08:56:35 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Davis, Scott" Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I'm going. Lunch would be great. Scott Davis, CIH University Industrial Hygienist UNC Charlotte 704-547-4279 > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Abramowitz [SMTP:dabramo1@SWARTHMORE.EDU] > Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 7:27 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: AIHA Conference, Toronto > > Are any other NACHOs going to the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation > Conference/Exposition in Toronto in June? If so, I'd like to figure out a > time for us to meet up, for lunch or something, to say hello in person. > > Please advise. > > Don > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~ > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 09:42:32 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Daniel Hurley Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be there, lets get together for lunch Don Abramowitz wrote: > Are any other NACHOs going to the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation > Conference/Exposition in Toronto in June? If so, I'd like to figure out a > time for us to meet up, for lunch or something, to say hello in person. > > Please advise. > > Don > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 -- Dan Hurley, CIH Sr. Industrial Hygienist Wake Forest University School of Medicine 336-777-3078 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:10:10 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be attending the AIHA Conference in Toronto. At 06:26 PM 4/30/99 -0500, you wrote: >Are any other NACHOs going to the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation >Conference/Exposition in Toronto in June? If so, I'd like to figure out a >time for us to meet up, for lunch or something, to say hello in person. > >Please advise. > > Don > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 07:20:29 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Stephen Hemperly Subject: AICHE-Toronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I will also be attending the American Industrial Hygiene Conference in Toronto. Regards, Stephen Stephen Hemperly, MS, CIH, CSP Well-Being (Safety, Industrial Hygiene, Ergonomics) - Almaden Lotus Notes address: Stephen Hemperly/Almaden/IBM @ IBMUS Internet address: shemperly@almaden.ibm.com T/L 457-1375, (408) 927-1375 Fax: (408) 927-2100 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:28:02 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Brian Olson Subject: campus transport of chemicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Peter Ashbrook Subject: campus transport of chemicals I have been reading this thread for several days and am a bit distressed that no one has quoted the regulations. ---SNIP------SNIP------SNIP------SNIP------SNIP------SNIP------SNIP------SNI P------SNIP--- I too have been reading this for awhile with a bit of sadness. You can't interpret and apply hearsay. We have a campus atmosphere here at our multi-site facility, and I have heard of the "perpendicular" rule. I contact our state DOT, and the Federal DOT offices for clarification. They insist that this 'letter' is OUT OF DATE and I have been told to follow the regulations. So, folks, forget what you 'hear'. Read the regulations for yourself and determine if you meet the scope of the regulations. If you do, fine. Use them. Don't wait for an accident to find that you were ignorant and didn't know that regulations did exist for your situation. As safety professional, it is your job to find out what the regulations are! To help you along, here are the regulations you need to read: 49CFR172.204(a) 49CFR172.204(b)(ii) 49CFR173.6 49CFR173.6(a)(1) Read them online by searching for them here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-table-search.html p.s. the rule does not cover Radiation...I have not found one that does yet. If you know of one, I would like to talk to you! Thanks, Brian Olson Manager, EH&S Promega Corp. (biotech co.) Madison, WI bolson@promega.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:31:53 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Lucy M. Zotter" Subject: LS&EM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Fellow NACHO's IS anyone attending the LS&EM conference in Phila. last week of July? If you are I'd like to meet you there Lucy M. Zotter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:42:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Reeder, Deborah" Subject: Re: LS&EM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I am planning to attend the conference only on Tuesday and Wednesday. Hope to meet some of you too! Debbie Reeder Lab Manager Chemistry Department Anne Arundel Community College Arnold, Maryland 21012 410-541-2224 -----Original Message----- From: Lucy M. Zotter [SMTP:lmz0@MS1.ALLENCOL.EDU] Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:32 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: LS&EM Hi Fellow NACHO's IS anyone attending the LS&EM conference in Phila. last week of July? If you are I'd like to meet you there Lucy M. Zotter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:11:33 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Daniel Hurley Subject: Re: AICHE-Toronto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will also be attending Stephen Hemperly wrote: > I will also be attending the American Industrial Hygiene Conference in > Toronto. > > Regards, > > Stephen > Stephen Hemperly, MS, CIH, CSP > Well-Being (Safety, Industrial Hygiene, Ergonomics) - Almaden > Lotus Notes address: Stephen Hemperly/Almaden/IBM @ IBMUS > Internet address: shemperly@almaden.ibm.com > T/L 457-1375, (408) 927-1375 Fax: (408) 927-2100 -- Dan Hurley, CIH Sr. Industrial Hygienist Wake Forest University School of Medicine 336-777-3078 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:34:40 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Bondanza, Donna" Subject: Re: LS&EM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I will be attending LS&EM this year in Philly. Hope to meet you and many other NACHO's! Donna Bondanza Safety Coordinator/ Associate - Dispersion Technology NanoSystems(tm) -----Original Message----- From: Lucy M. Zotter [mailto:lmz0@MS1.ALLENCOL.EDU] Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:32 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: LS&EM Hi Fellow NACHO's IS anyone attending the LS&EM conference in Phila. last week of July? If you are I'd like to meet you there Lucy M. Zotter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:08:00 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Neal Langerman Subject: Re: LS&EM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'll be there - running two workshops and chairing a session on Laboratory Hazards and Risks. Neal At 11:31 AM 5/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Fellow NACHO's >IS anyone attending the LS&EM conference in Phila. last week of July? >If you are I'd like to meet you there >Lucy M. Zotter > > ************************************************************* NEAL LANGERMAN chemsaf@ix.netcom.com ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY or neal@chemical-safety.com 8909 Complex Drive San Diego CA 92123-1418 619 874 5577 (phone) 619 874 8239 (FAX) 619 990 4908 (cellular) visit our homepage: http://www.chemical-safety.com ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:57:42 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, We just completed a CAP(College of American Pathologists) inspection in our clinical labs and were cited for having two prong electrical cords (found only on radios and other small ticket items). CAP states in THEIR standards that all "instruments" must have a three prong grounded type electrical cord. It think it'd be a stretch trying to call a radio an instrument. My guess is that the inspector is applying a rather strict interpretation of the CAP standard but was curious to get some feedback from a well grounded group, no pun intended. I was under the impression that a two prong polarity type plug provides as good a protection as a three prong grounded plug. The inspector argued from the standpoint that the radio could fall into a sink of water or someone could touch it with a wet hand and get electrocuted. I thought that a three pronged adapter wouldn't provide water electrocution protection anyway unless it were plugged into a GFCI receptacle. For that matter, the 2 prong in a GFCI would prevent electrocution too. Right? We could get our maintenance group to retrofit the radios etc. but most of the items are plastic and wouldn't have anything metal to run the ground wire to anyway! The last alternative is to throw away the radios etc. but that could be more dangerous than electrocution. Did you ever see a mad lab person?????!!!!! Some feedback please........... Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:02:09 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Barbara J. Weaver" Subject: Re: AICHE-Toronto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I will also be attending Barb J. Weaver, CIH bjweaver@lancasterlabs.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Hurley [SMTP:dhurley@WFUBMC.EDU] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:12 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: AICHE-Toronto > > I will also be attending > > Stephen Hemperly wrote: > > > I will also be attending the American Industrial Hygiene Conference in > > Toronto. > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephen > > Stephen Hemperly, MS, CIH, CSP > > Well-Being (Safety, Industrial Hygiene, Ergonomics) - Almaden > > Lotus Notes address: Stephen Hemperly/Almaden/IBM @ IBMUS > > Internet address: shemperly@almaden.ibm.com > > T/L 457-1375, (408) 927-1375 Fax: (408) 927-2100 > > -- > Dan Hurley, CIH > Sr. Industrial Hygienist > Wake Forest University School of Medicine > 336-777-3078 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 10:14:24 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ellen Anson Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be attending AIHCE in Toronto. Ellen D. Anson PhD., CIH Industrial Hygienist Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808 L-386 Livermore, CA 94551-9900 (925)422-1079 eanson@llnl.gov ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:26:37 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding is the same as yours. However, I haven't read the pertinent regulations. I'd consult your insurance carrier. it does seem that if 2 prong polarity plug is safe on my electric drill at home, and it has a UL tag on it, it should be good in the lab as well. I suspect your group is using archaic regulations. Bob "SEMPER ADVENTURUS!!!" Robert L. Burns R&D Group Leader Specialty Chemicals Division RUETGERS Organics Corporation 201 Struble Road State College, PA 16801 phone 814-231-9214 fax 815 333 4805 email rburns@bigfoot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Pinizzotto To: Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 13:57 Subject: two prong / three prong electrical cords > Hi folks, > > We just completed a CAP(College of American Pathologists) inspection in our > clinical labs and were cited for having two prong electrical cords (found only > on radios and other small ticket items). > CAP states in THEIR standards that all "instruments" must have a three prong > grounded type electrical cord. > > It think it'd be a stretch trying to call a radio an instrument. My guess is > that the inspector is applying a rather strict interpretation of the CAP > standard but was curious to get some feedback from a well grounded group, no > pun intended. > > I was under the impression that a two prong polarity type plug provides as > good a protection as a three prong grounded plug. The inspector argued from > the standpoint that the radio could fall into a sink of water or someone could > touch it with a wet hand and get electrocuted. I thought that a three pronged > adapter wouldn't provide water electrocution protection anyway unless it were > plugged into a GFCI receptacle. For that matter, the 2 prong in a GFCI would > prevent electrocution too. Right? > > We could get our maintenance group to retrofit the radios etc. but most of the > items are plastic and wouldn't have anything metal to run the ground wire to > anyway! > > The last alternative is to throw away the radios etc. but that could be more > dangerous than electrocution. Did you ever see a mad lab person?????!!!!! > > Some feedback please........... > > Nick Pinizzotto > Environmental Health Officer > Dept. Environmental Health & Safety > Thomas Jefferson University > nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu > 215-503-5853 > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:46:54 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nick wrote: I was under the impression that a two prong polarity type plug provides as good a protection as a three prong grounded plug. The inspector argued from the standpoint that the radio could fall into a sink of water or someone could touch it with a wet hand and get electrocuted. I thought that a three pronged adapter wouldn't provide water electrocution protection anyway unless it were plugged into a GFCI receptacle. For that matter, the 2 prong in a GFCI would prevent electrocution too. Right? Reply: YES. All outlets near sinks should be GFCI protected if not at the outlet than at the breaker box. We have had our in house electricians replace all our in lab outlets with the GFCI protection. Its added security for things like "water" baths and "water" jacked incubators. Nick wrote: We could get our maintenance group to retrofit the radios etc. but most of the items are plastic and wouldn't have anything metal to run the ground wire to anyway! Reply: We have had this option done on some older equipment that did not have the three prong plug but it was equipment, ie. not radios. Nick wrote: The last alternative is to throw away the radios etc. but that could be more dangerous than electrocution. Did you ever see a mad lab person?????!!!!! Reply: You bet! But, we have a pretty tough line on the three prong thing here at UNE. We encourage departments to take care of their folk and purchase the appropriate items for the lab areas. We try to discourage folks from bringing in stuff from home that is not meant for "industrial" use. Good luck with satisfying everyone on this issue. Janeen :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:01:46 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Laboratory ventillation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am trying to find out if there are any regulations regarding the number of air changes per hour for a chemical storage building. Our chemical storage is in a building which is detached from the laboratories. It has air conditioning/heating and a separate exhaust fan that only comes on when the lights are turned on. We are considering removing the exhaust fan if the AC unit can handle the necessary air changes per hour. I couldn't find anything specific in Prudent Practices, NFPA 45, or the Lab Standard. Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Julie O'Brien Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:43:36 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords In-Reply-To: <00e201be9592$7ba494e0$5b002c0a@bburns> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm with you on this too. Note that the electric drill is "double insulated" with respect to the housing to prevent leakage current/defects from energizing the housing (usually plastic these days) or the chuck. That said, I fail to see the hazard presented by a radio in its plastic housing, nor a meaningful way of grounding it. Certain appliances, such as toasters, space heaters, irons, coffee makers, and other things with heating elements are almost never grounded, in consumer versions, but usually carry UL approvals. At the risk of hearsay, I once heard an "official" reason these are not grounded (it was safety-related), but I regret that I cannot recall the specifics. Don it does seem >that if 2 prong polarity plug is safe on my electric drill at home, and it >has a UL tag on it, it should be good in the lab as well. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:23:47 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Daniel Hurley Subject: Re: Laboratory ventillation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check NFPA 30 Julie O'Brien wrote: > I am trying to find out if there are any regulations regarding the number of > air changes per hour for a chemical storage building. Our chemical storage > is in a building which is detached from the laboratories. It has air > conditioning/heating and a separate exhaust fan that only comes on when the > lights are turned on. We are considering removing the exhaust fan if the AC > unit can handle the necessary air changes per hour. I couldn't find anything > specific in Prudent Practices, NFPA 45, or the Lab Standard. Any help with > this would be greatly appreciated. > > Julie O'Brien > Chemist > Archimica (Florida), Inc. > PO Box 1466 > Gainesville, FL 32602 > 352-376-8246 ext. 232 > Fax 352-373-7503 > afn35210@afn.org > > Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer > EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville > PO Box 5951 > Gainesville, FL 32627 -- Dan Hurley, CIH Sr. Industrial Hygienist Wake Forest University School of Medicine 336-777-3078 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 13:59:43 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barry Rutledge Subject: Safety Specialist Wanted Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Safety Specialist The Scripps Research Institute (TSRI) is seeking a Safety Specialist to assist in implementation of comprehensive EH&S program. Will help develop industrial hygiene, biosafety, and ergonomics, programs. Will develop & conduct training and will assist laboratories with all aspects of safety including: consultations, air/noise monitoring, general safety, and emergency response programs. Qualified candidates must have 1-2 years professional experience and a Bachelors degree in the physical sciences or related field or a Masters degree in related field. Requires excellent communication skills and ability to work well with others. Will be required to obtain valid CA driver's license. Must be able to wear SCBA. Please send your resume with salary history to: TSRI, 10550 N. Torrey Pines Rd, TPC-11, La Jolla, CA 92037; FAX: (619) 784-8071; www.scripps.edu. Ref #ASUT. We value and support diversity in our workforce/AA/EOE. Kenneth "Barry" Rutledge Senior Safety Specialist The Scripps Research Inst. La Jolla, CA ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:52:39 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Byington Organization: The University of Memphis Subject: Protectair Gas Monitors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are researching the purchase of a Protectair Gas Monitor. Does anybody out there have feedback about this or any other monitors that you are presently using? Please respond to the list with your comments. Thanks in advance, Bob -- Bob Byington Laboratory Safety Specialist,WebMaster Environmental Health and Safety 210B Old Brister Library The University of Memphis Memphis, TN 38152-6191 (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 rbyingtn@memphis.edu homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 17:16:15 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Sharon Reed Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think the way to go would be to have all the circuits in your lab on GFCIs and then make sure they are tested on a very regular basis. They do break. A third prong is your best insurance against ground faults, but are not practical on a radio or other "small ticket items". A 2 prong plug is safe on double insulated, UL rated equipment. And no electrical equipment (well.... very little, only those rated as submersible!) would be safe if it fell in into a vat of water! Perhaps you could mount the radios so there was no chance of falling into a sink? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:12:43 +1200 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: John Downey Subject: Re: Protectair Gas Monitors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I am not familiar with this brand. What are you trying to measure? We have found the Neotronics units (UK) very good. Get back to me directly. John Downey Dangerous Goods Inspector Waitakere City Council Phone +64 9 836 8036 Fax +64 9 836 8001 Email John.Downey@waitakere.govt.nz > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Byington [SMTP:rbyingtn@MEMPHIS.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, 4 May 1999 08:53 > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Protectair Gas Monitors > > We are researching the purchase of a Protectair Gas > Monitor. Does anybody out there have feedback about this or > any other monitors that you are presently using? Please > respond to the list with your comments. > Thanks in advance, > > Bob > -- > > > Bob Byington > Laboratory Safety Specialist,WebMaster > Environmental Health and Safety > 210B Old Brister Library > The University of Memphis > Memphis, TN 38152-6191 > (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 > rbyingtn@memphis.edu > homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas > personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:07:56 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "John M. Neil" Subject: 2/3 prong plug Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not sure one can say which is better since they have different functions. A three prong plug provides an extra path to ground which hopefully is a path of less resistance than your body. A two prong plug, if correctly installed, minimizes the portion of the circuit that is hot -- the switch is the first element in the circuit so that when it is switched off, there is no current beyond the switch. With the older two prong plugs, half the time the switch was the last element in the circuit and the entire circuit was "hot" except portion from the switch to the plug. To prevent a shock from grounding in water, one needs a GIF plug which kills the circuit when it senses a high current flow; the best I think one could expect of a three prong plug is reduction of some of the current going through your body while a two prong plug might prevent a circuit from being established as long as the switch didn't get wet. John Neil ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:52:13 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: LS&EM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-03 11:50:19 EDT, you write: << Hi Fellow NACHO's IS anyone attending the LS&EM conference in Phila. last week of July? If you are I'd like to meet you there Lucy M. Zotter >> Hi NACHO's... We are planning a NACHO meeting for the LS&EM conference. The likely time will be Wednesday Evening, July 28th. Stay tuned for confirmation and details. ... jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:52:15 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-03 14:28:40 EDT, you write: << if 2 prong polarity plug is safe on my electric drill at home >> IF..... If you are holding the drill by the metal chuck when it short circuits, you are in potentially (pun intended) big trouble. ... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:52:16 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-03 17:19:36 EDT, you write: << A third prong is your best insurance against ground faults >> Actually, a ground fault interupter might be preferred. Here's the sequence of protection.... Make sure the receptacle is properly wired.... then Two prong unpolarized Two prong polarized Three prong Ground Fault interupter Then, check to be sure the appliance is properly wired and the case is cold. ... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 06:39:05 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: 2/3 prong plug and GFI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-03 19:04:26 EDT, you write: << the switch is the first element in the circuit so that when it is switched off, there is no current beyond the switch. >> When dealing with electrical appliances, a single pole switch can only stop the current if the hot lead is on the switched side. Three circumstances can prevent this from happening. All are not uncommon in my experience. The appliance is miswired, the receptacle is miswired. A two-prong unpolarized plug is in backwards. And, most people don't understand why the latter is a problem. << To prevent a shock from grounding in water, one needs a GIF plug which kills the circuit when it senses a high current flow; >> No. Actually it kills the circuit when it senses a LOW current flow of 1-2 milliamps. The Lab Safety Workshop offers training programs that address this and other lab safety issues. Our next one-day seminars are in Buffalo, NY (May 12th) and Jamestown, NY (May 14th). Please check our web site for other dates. .... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:50:53 +0000 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barb Moore Subject: Re: Laboratory ventillation In-Reply-To: <199905031901.PAA03403@freenet4.afn.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We have been through this experience about a year ago. BWC (Bureau of Workmen's Comp) came in and did and walk through. They cited OSHA1910.106 standard (d)(4)(iv) Ventilation. Every inside storage room shall be provided with either a gravity or a mechanical exhaust ventilation system. Such system shall be designed to provide for a complete change of air within the room at least six times per hour. If a mechanical exhaust system is used, it shall be controlled by a switch located outside of the door. The ventilating equipment and any lighting fixtures shall be operated by the same switch. A pilot light shall be installed adjacent to the switch if Class I flammable liquids are dispensed within the room. Where gravity ventilation is provided, the fresh air intake, as well as the exhuast outlet from the room, shall be on the exterior of the building in which the room is located. Hope this is helpful. ---------- Barbara Moore 330-263-2379 Administrative Manager FAX 330-263-2378 Biology Dept bmoore@acs.wooster.edu College of Wooster http://ACS.wooster.edu/biology Wooster, OH 44691 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 06:58:17 -0700 Reply-To: Marc Neuffer Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Marc Neuffer Organization: SafetyInfo.Com Subject: Small Business Ergo Standard Report MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The long awaited report on OSHA's Ergo Standard has been released. The full report is available at: http://www.safetyinfo.com/news/safety-news.htm Our news report as follows: The Small Business representatives on the Ergo Standard Review Panel have raised serious questions about OSHA's ability to provide accurate cost data for the proposed Ergonomic Standard. The government representative have stated that " OSHA's preliminary cost estimates may have underestimated the costs, perhaps materially." Panel members also stated that OSHA underestimated the number of employees in similar jobs. Some pointed to large numbers of workers with identical jobs in their own facilities, and some stated that everyone does every job in a small facility. Other concerns were: -that the proposed rule would significantly increase the incentives not to hire (or to dismiss) individuals that were members of groups that they perceive to be more likely to incur MSDs -that the medical removal provisions or the information provisions of the draft rule might encourage more reporting of MSDs, leading to an increase in workers' compensation costs. -that OSHA had underestimated the need for consultants for all elements of the program. -that many small businesses would not have the capability to make either the initial determination about whether they need an ergonomics program or to implement the ergonomics program itself in a way that would satisfy OSHA compliance personnel. -that the two criteria for determining the work-relatedness of MSDs in addition to a recordable MSD would be unworkable or ignored. -that, as currently drafted, OSHA's draft language could be interpreted as providing injured employees on MRP with more take-home pay than they would have had before the injury. The full report addresses all sections of the draft standard. Regards Marc Neuffer Safety Info.Com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:30:26 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Shelley" Subject: Re: glove selection In-Reply-To: <82ACF9C810A5D211B13100A0C9EBE41EB5416E@email.uncc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="============_-1286301468==_============" --============_-1286301468==_============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Zack Mansdorf, Ph.D., CIH, CSP, put together the "Quick Selection Guide to >Chemical Protective Clothing" published by Van Nostrand Reinhold. Very >useful...covers both suits and gloves. Scott--Greetings! I like the Mansdorf book, too, and I use it to confirm glove selection that I have been doing. I have attached a copy of the glove selection document on which I am working. How are things going? Run out of stuff to do yet? I hope all is well with you and Trena. Tom --============_-1286301468==_============ Content-Id: Content-Type: application/mac-binhex40; name="Glove_Selection_1=99.doc" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Glove_Selection_1=99.doc" ; modification-date="Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:20:14 -0400" Part 1.2 Type: Macintosh BinHex Archive (application/mac-binhex40) --============_-1286301468==_============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu --============_-1286301468==_============-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:16:13 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Shelley" Subject: Fwd: Re: glove selection Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Oooppps... Another newbie sending a private note to the list. ;-) Sorry abou that. Tom >Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:30:26 -0400 >To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List >From: "Thomas J. Shelley" >Subject: Re: glove selection >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: :Jude:381:Glove Selection 1/99: > >>Zack Mansdorf, Ph.D., CIH, CSP, put together the "Quick Selection Guide to >>Chemical Protective Clothing" published by Van Nostrand Reinhold. Very >>useful...covers both suits and gloves. > >Scott--Greetings! I like the Mansdorf book, too, and I use it to confirm >glove selection that I have been doing. I have attached a copy of the glove >selection document on which I am working. How are things going? Run >out of stuff to do yet? I hope all is well with you and Trena. Tom ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:06:11 -0400 Reply-To: wessonl@co.oakland.mi.us Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Larry Wesson Organization: Oakland County Michigan Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick Pinizzotto wrote: > > Hi folks, > > We just completed a CAP(College of American Pathologists) inspection in our > clinical labs and were cited for having two prong electrical cords (found only > on radios and other small ticket items). Nick, we are having the same problem here in Michigan. The inspection training has not kept up with the manufacturers of electric devices. The electrocution safe guards are now built into the appliances. Go down to your local Sears store and check their line of electric powered hand tools, all have two-prong electricial cords. You are correct in your statement about the GFCI device being your best protection, the electric cord on the appliance only protects you from it's own internal short circuits. Do not modify any type of appliance as it then becomes your design with all the nasty sidebars like liability. Larry Wesson Safety Coordinator/Fire Marshal Oakland County Michigan ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:21:25 -0400 Reply-To: "edmiston@bluffton.edu" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Edmiston Organization: Bluffton College Subject: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A two-pronged polarized plug only has one advantage over a two-pronged non-polarized plug... it puts the "hot" side of the AC wiring in places harder to reach. The best example is a polarized lamp with a typical screw-in incandescent bulb. When the bulb is unscrewed and a new one is being inserted, you might come in contact with the threads of the bulb (while you're screwing it in) or the threads of the socket (if you stick your finger partly into it). It is much less likely that you will contact the center connection unless you stick your finger deeply into the socket. Therefore, if either the threads or the center contact must be "hot," (because you failed to unplug the lamp when you changed the bulb) it is far safer that the threads are neutral and the center connection is hot. That is, put the hot connection in the position least likely to be touched. This is exactly what the polarized plug does, assuming the outlet is wired correctly. This is all it does... nothing more. In TV's, radios, etc. the polarized plug is an attempt to make sure that anything a person is likely to touch (directly or from a kid sticking a knife into an air vent) is neutral rather than ground. That's all the polarized plug does. A double insulated device need not have a polarized plug because the device has been certified to have no way for the user to come in contact with a hot conductive object, even if the internal wiring fails. DI works in mildly moist areas, but not in the rain or total immersion. A grounded (three-prong) device surrounds the hot electronics with a grounded case. Anything the user touches should be ground. If an internal short occurs, the fuse/circuit breaker promptly blows because the grounded case draws sufficient current from the fault to blow the breaker. If this instrument is immersed (while plugged in) it may not blow the breaker, but at least the metal body forms a grounded "faraday cage" around the inner electronics and the water external to the device is not likely to be "energized." By far, the best protection is a ground-fault-circuit-interrupter (GFCI). These compare the hot current to the neutral current and open the circuit if a difference is detected. They work equally well with two-prong polarized, two-prong non-polarized, and three pronged devices. In other words... the cord doesn't matter. This is the best bet for radios and other consumer electronics in the lab. Some devices (like toasters) are better off not grounded (but GFCI is still desired). Suppose someone attacks a stuck piece of toast with a knife. As long as the person is not grounded (not touching the sink faucet) they are not likely to be shocked if the knife contacts the hot heating element. However, if the toaster is grounded, and the person is holding the toaster in one hand while using the knife with the other hand... look out. This scenario is so likely that toasters are much safer ungrounded. However, safest is a toaster plugged into a GFCI. Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D. Phone/voice-mail: 419-358-3270 Professor of Chemistry & Physics FAX: 419-358-3323 Chairman, Science Department E-Mail edmiston@bluffton.edu Bluffton College 280 West College Avenue Bluffton, OH 45817 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:14:14 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Davis, Scott" Subject: Acid sinks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Just got word of a lab upgrade on campus. Included is the addition of "Acid Sinks." As I understand it, these are chemically resistant sinks that drain into 5-10 gallon collection basins. Sounds gnarly to me. Obviously there are compatibility concerns. My question is...is this an O.K. thing to do? Is it done all the time and I just haven't seen it until now? What are some things I need to check before these things are installed? Scott Davis, CIH University Industrial Hygienist UNC Charlotte 704-547-4279 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:31:43 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jon Rossillon Subject: Re: Acid sinks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BE962A.11D61C30" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BE962A.11D61C30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Scott, If you can, don't allow them to be installed. The theory behind them is = great and all, but in practice they end up being glorified filters that = clog up and back up over time. We've had trouble with them several = times here at KU over the past five years. As a waste purist, I = personally do not think that any acidic material should be going down = the drain. Regards, Jon Rossillon jrossillon@ehs.ukans.edu University of Kansas - EHS Dept. ---------- From: Davis, Scott Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:14 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Acid sinks Just got word of a lab upgrade on campus. Included is the addition of = "Acid Sinks." As I understand it, these are chemically resistant sinks that drain into 5-10 gallon collection basins. Sounds gnarly to me. = Obviously there are compatibility concerns. My question is...is this an O.K. = thing to do? Is it done all the time and I just haven't seen it until now? What = are some things I need to check before these things are installed? Scott Davis, CIH University Industrial Hygienist UNC Charlotte 704-547-4279 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:41:54 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Russ Phifer Subject: Administratum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the risk of sanction by my fellow mailserv members, I present the following press release in the general interest... PRESS RELEASE The heaviest element known to science was recently discovered by chemists. The element, tentatively named Administratum, has no protons or electrons and thus has an atomic number of 0. However it does have: 1 neutron. 125 assistant neutrons 75 vice-neutrons 111 assistant vice-neutrons This gives it an atomic mass of 312. The 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons. Since it has no electrons, Administratum is inert. However, it can be detected chemically as it impedes every action with which it comes in contact. According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratum causes one reaction to take four days to complete when it would have normally occurred in less than one second. Administratum has a normal half-life of approximately three years, at which time it does not actually decay but instead undergoes a reorganization in which assistant neutrons, vice neutrons, and assistant vice-neutrons exchange places. Some studies have shown that atomic mass actually increases after each reorganization. Research at other laboratories indicates that Administratum occurs naturally in the atmosphere. It tends to concentrate at certain points such as government agencies, large corporations, and universities and can usually be found in the newest, best appointed, and best maintained buildings. Chemists point out that Administratum is known to be toxic at any level of concentration and can easily destroy any productive reaction where it is allowed to accumulate. Attempts are being made to determine how Administratum can be controlled to prevent irreversible damage, but results to date are not promising. It is assumed, however, that Committeeium can neutralize Administratum damage by issuing irrelevant voluminous reports. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:06:30 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mary Ann Solstad Subject: Re: Laboratory ventilation In-Reply-To: <199905031901.PAA03403@freenet4.afn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why remove it? Seems like a dash of extra ventilation would be good. Mary Ann At 03:01 PM 5/3/99 -0400, you wrote: snip> Our chemical storage >is in a building which is detached from the laboratories. It has air >conditioning/heating and a separate exhaust fan that only comes on when the >lights are turned on. We are considering removing the exhaust fan if the AC >unit can handle the necessary air changes per hour. snip > >Julie O'Brien >PO Box 1466 >Gainesville, FL 32602 >352-376-8246 ext. 232 >Fax 352-373-7503 >afn35210@afn.org > >Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer >EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville >PO Box 5951 >Gainesville, FL 32627 > Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude 16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness 781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application Authority Past Chair, DivCHAS, ACS msolstad@mediaone.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:20:21 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: Administratum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks Russ. I need a good laugh to clear my head. Janeen:) :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:23:09 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: Laboratory ventillation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was going to say the same thing about OSHA 1910.106. A couple of add-ons: The 6 air changes/ hour is not health based - it's strictly intended to prevent the accumulation of flammable/explosive concentrations of vapors. Every chemical storage room is not a flammable liquid storage room, even if it has flammable liquids in it. The specified requirements in the standard for a flammable liquid storage room are triggered by the quantity of flamm. liquids you intend to store. If you can store all your flammables in flammable liquid storage cabinets, the room itself may not need to meet the specs. - it all depends on the max. quantities permitted in cabinets in the room. Check the tables in the standard. ( The spec is not a bad start for a chem storage room though, whether you truly need one or not.) I know of no other standard that addresses this, but there is a mention of a general ventilation rate of 8- 10 air changes per hour for haz waste storage rooms in "Guidelilnes for Laboratory Design", 2nd edition, by Lou Diberadinis, if that helps any. The book also points out lots of other design considerations. Don >We have been through this experience about a year ago. BWC (Bureau of >Workmen's Comp) came in and did and walk through. They cited > >OSHA1910.106 standard (d)(4)(iv) > >Ventilation. Every inside storage room shall be provided with either a >gravity or a mechanical exhaust ventilation system. Such system shall be >designed to provide for a complete change of air within the room at least >six times per hour. If a mechanical exhaust system is used, it shall be >controlled by a switch located outside of the door. The ventilating >equipment and any lighting fixtures shall be operated by the same switch. >A pilot light shall be installed adjacent to the switch if Class I >flammable liquids are dispensed within the room. Where gravity ventilation >is provided, the fresh air intake, as well as the exhuast outlet from the >room, shall be on the exterior of the building in which the room is located. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:35:01 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ilona Fiser Subject: Re: Administratum In-Reply-To: <19990504.134408.-635473.1.envasset@juno.com>; from "Russ Phifer" at May 4, 99 1:41 pm LOVE IT IT IS ALL OVER THE PLANET EARTH !!!!! OUCH! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Carleton University Email address: ifiser@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:49:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mary Ann Solstad Subject: Re: Acid sinks In-Reply-To: <01BE962A.11D49590@ROSSILLON1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Call it a corrosives sink. A dash of HCl and a dash of NaOH and pretty soon you have hot salt water. \:<) Mary Ann > As a waste purist, I personally do not think that any acidic material should be going down the drain. > >Regards, > >Jon Rossillon >jrossillon@ehs.ukans.edu >University of Kansas - EHS Dept. > >---------- >From: Davis, Scott >Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:14 AM >To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU >Subject: Acid sinks > >Just got word of a lab upgrade on campus. Included is the addition of "Acid >Sinks." As I understand it, these are chemically resistant sinks that >drain into 5-10 gallon collection basins. Sounds gnarly to me. Obviously >there are compatibility concerns. My question is...is this an O.K. thing to >do? Is it done all the time and I just haven't seen it until now? What are >some things I need to check before these things are installed? > >Scott Davis, CIH >University Industrial Hygienist >UNC Charlotte >704-547-4279 > >Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Re Acid sinks" > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:22:18 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: Laboratory ventilation In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990504140630.00b96100@pop.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ditto on the exhaust fan. Also, if your detached chemical storage room has its own AC/heating package, make certain that it in fact circulates outside air. Many packaged AC/heating systems are 100% recirculating. If the store room is working off of a larger building's system, there might also be concern about the return air from the store room being distributed throughout the larger building. Don >Why remove it? Seems like a dash of extra ventilation would be good. > >Mary Ann > > >At 03:01 PM 5/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >snip> Our chemical storage >>is in a building which is detached from the laboratories. It has air >>conditioning/heating and a separate exhaust fan that only comes on when the >>lights are turned on. We are considering removing the exhaust fan if the AC >>unit can handle the necessary air changes per hour. snip >> >>Julie O'Brien >>PO Box 1466 >>Gainesville, FL 32602 >>352-376-8246 ext. 232 >>Fax 352-373-7503 >>afn35210@afn.org >> >>Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer >>EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville >>PO Box 5951 >>Gainesville, FL 32627 >> >Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety >SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude >16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness >781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application > Authority >Past Chair, DivCHAS, ACS >msolstad@mediaone.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:12:21 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Patricia DePra Subject: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues O.k., it's the end of the semester, and I'm aware that I'm extremely sensitive to things that waste my time, but it seems as though we need a few reminders. Please use this listserv for safety issues only. Please send personal responses directly to the person, not to the list. DO NOT hit return to reply unless you want all of us to see it. I receive over 100 emails per day, and I really hate reading old jokes for the 50th time, then more messages saying 'isn't that funny' then more messages saying, 'Keep jokes off the listserv.' (Which I realize I'm adding to....) Please respect our time. Send jokes personally or through joke listservs, not here. And please, don't proliferate this by responding to me at all. Just agree to abide by the rules of the list. Thanks, A very stressed out prof who's up to her ears in lab reports, hazardous waste, panicking students, and poor politics.... --Patricia DePra ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:24:09 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ross Williams Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues In-Reply-To: <99050417122180@foma.wsc.mass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Please use this listserv for safety issues only. > >I really hate reading old jokes >for the 50th time, then more messages saying 'isn't that funny' then >more messages saying, 'Keep jokes off the listserv.' > >Plagerized from--Patricia DePra *********************************************** * Dr. R. E. Williams, Ph.D. * * EHS Management Services * * 180 Martin * * Ottawa, ON, Canada K1K 2V3 * * Tel: (613) 746-4288 * * e-mail: rewill@magma.ca * *********************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:59:48 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Burns Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LIGHTEN UP, DUDE! Just hit your delete button if something comes up you don't want to see. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Williams To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:24 PM Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues > >Please use this listserv for safety issues only. > > > >I really hate reading old jokes > >for the 50th time, then more messages saying 'isn't that funny' then > >more messages saying, 'Keep jokes off the listserv.' > > > >Plagerized from--Patricia DePra > > > *********************************************** > * Dr. R. E. Williams, Ph.D. * > * EHS Management Services * > * 180 Martin * > * Ottawa, ON, Canada K1K 2V3 * > * Tel: (613) 746-4288 * > * e-mail: rewill@magma.ca * > *********************************************** > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:13:37 -0500 Reply-To: "swiki@bihs.net" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Swiki Anderson Subject: Re: Laboratory Ventilation and Minimum Number of Air Changes Per Hour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of the time we do not learn from the past. Does a minimum number of air changes always result in good ventilation design and maximum containment of harmful material in a fume hood or other such capture devices? STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS! 29 CFR 1910.1450, Occupational Exposure to Hazardous Chemicals in Laboratories, especially (e) Chemical Hygiene Plan, (3), (ii) and (iii); NFPA 45, Standard on Fire Protection of Laboratories Using Chemicals, 1996 edition; ANSI/AIHA Z9.5-1992, American National Standard for Laboratory Ventilation; ASHRAE 110, Method of Testing Performance of Laboratory Fume Hoods; and the dictates of Prudent Practice for Handling Chemicals in Laboratories. Our intent in review of these documents however must always be directed at achieving adequacy of concepts needed for proper control and maintainability of sustained system performance, and not simply the "letter of the law" in order to satisfy minimum dictates of the wording of the requirements. One does not equal that other and a minimum numbers of air changes per hour does not make a laboratory "safe". IN SOME CASES TOO MANY AIR CHANGES COMPOUND THE VENTILATION CONTAINMENT PROBLEM RATHER THAN AID IN MAKING THE LAB SAFER! The Federal Register, Wednesday, January 31, 1999, Vol. 55, No. 21, starting with pages 3300 promulgate 29 CFR 1910.1450, Occupational Exposure to Hazardous Chemicals in Laboratories, to include (e) Chemical Hygiene Plan. This also includes citations concerning documented and persistent laboratory ventilation problems. BUT WHY DO THE PROBLEMS PERSIST? If you want answers to these questions, visit http://www.saai-svc.com/engineer/html/tech-notes.htm. and read the article entitled "Fume Hoods and Laboratory Air Flow Systems: Lessons, Feature, and Improvements, from the "Old Saints" of the Atomic Energy Era Through Today" as well as articles written by other competent engineers and professionals. And, if, after you read this article, assuming you don't understand, please call me and allow me to share with you what I and others have learned. I will be delighted to do this pro bono, at the expense of my time and effort. A series of individual articles written and published by Jim Morris, an investigative reporter for the Houston Chronicle, over the past 13 months, attests to the price that some laboratory worker and user have had to pay because of someone else's ignorance or indifference. Find Sickening Results and "Slipshod practice frequently observed in college laboratories" published December 20, by click on "WEB LINKS and references to Laboratory Fire and Toxic Problems" at www.saai-svc.com/engineer/html/tech-notes.htm. Let us learn from the past and mistakes of others and be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. WHAT'S THE JOB OF A SAFETY PROFESSIONAL AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THEN WHO DOES? Swiki Anderson, Ph.D. P.E., President Swiki Anderson and Associates, Inc. Consulting Electrical, Mechanical and Instrumentation Engineers Bryan, Texas (409) 779-6068, x11 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:11:18 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Burns Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rules? Who made the rules? Use your delete key. ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia DePra To: Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:12 PM Subject: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues > O.k., it's the end of the semester, and I'm aware that I'm extremely > sensitive to things that waste my time, but it seems as though we need > a few reminders. > > Please use this listserv for safety issues only. > > Please send personal responses directly to the person, not to the list. > DO NOT hit return to reply unless you want all of us to see it. > > I receive over 100 emails per day, and I really hate reading old jokes > for the 50th time, then more messages saying 'isn't that funny' then > more messages saying, 'Keep jokes off the listserv.' (Which I realize > I'm adding to....) Please respect our time. Send jokes personally or > through joke listservs, not here. > > And please, don't proliferate this by responding to me at all. Just > agree to abide by the rules of the list. > > Thanks, > A very stressed out prof who's up to her ears in lab reports, hazardous > waste, panicking students, and poor politics.... > --Patricia DePra > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:50:20 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Administrative Reminders (occasional) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs Periodically, I'll post to the list this series of administrative reminders. These are some guidelines for use of LABSAFETY-L. If you have any suggestions for changes (additions or subtractions), please send them to me directly unless they are of general interest to the whole group. Thanks to Linda Swihart for help to compile the list. ... jim Administrative Reminders..... 1. All messages should be related to lab safety or topics which will be of interest to chemical hygiene officers or lab safety professionals. Minimize tangential discussions. Please take them to private email. *** We will achieve a larger and more participative readership if we stick to this.*** 2. Please DO NOT send attachments to the list! They will bog down the mail server and fill the archives and digests with ASCII code. They will also be unreadable by many subscribers. If you have a file to share, announce its availability to the list, and attach it to private email to individuals who request it. (And the requests should be made in private email, not to the list.) 3. Keep in mind that when you REPLY to a message from the list, you will reply to the *entire* list, not just to the person to whose message you are replying. Usually. Keep an eye on which address appears in the "To:" box of your emailer when you press REPLY. 4. Please trim quoted text to a bare minumum when making replies. Everyone on the list receives every message, and you need only quote minimum pertinent parts to refresh the thread of discussion. At the same time, take care to keep quotes in context so as not to misrepresent another's remarks. 5. There are many excellent products and services that are available out there. LSW would like to encourage anyone who feels they have something of value for NACHO members to use LABSAFETY-L to let them know about the product or service. This policy is intentionally different from other discussion lists. It recognizes our need to solve lab safety/CHO problems with products and services as well as ideas. We also those who have used the product or service can comment on their experiences. Specific follow-up questions and requests should be directed personally and not to the discussion list. 6. Let's maintain a discussion environment that respects diverse points of views and opinions. Be patient, polite, and treat each other with kindness. 7. Membership in the National Assoiciation of Chemical Hygiene Officers (NACHO) is free and open to anyone who is a CHO or interested in lab safety issues. You join NACHO by subscribing to the LABSAFETY-L discussion list. LABSAFETY-L is a public service of the Laboratory Safety Workshop, the list owner. Please tell your friends and colleagues about NACHO and encourage them to join. 8. Typically many people on a list are "lurkers" (read but never post). LSW would like to encourage everyone to join in the conversation. If you have not yet participated, please post a short note introducing yourself and your interests in lab safety. The more active contributors can help encourage participation. Please continue the professional-while-cheerful demeanor and clear, readable messages which have characterized our first year. 9. No question is too basic for LABSAFETY-L. Some NACHO members have been in the field for a long time, others are just beginning. Welcome all new members and all questions. As we see recurring questions, let's develop FAQs for the web site. And, let's all learn to effectively use our archives. 10. Thank you for taking the time to review these reminders. Please share comments and suggestions directly with me. ... jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:11:55 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Julie J. O'Brien" Subject: Re: Laboratory ventilation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Why remove it? Seems like a dash of extra ventilation would be good. > Our building is separate from others in the facility. It has a separate heat/AC unit. During the "summertime" (which is most of the year in Florida), the exhaust fan sucks out all of the cool air in the building and replaces it with very warm humid air. The bottles get warm and moisture condenses on the bottles. Sometimes the bottles break if the temperature changes too quickly. The labels on the bottle do not last well. And there are a whole host of other problems. We inspect the building regularly to prevent most things from occurring. If we had an AC unit which could compensate for the exhaust fan, I would not be interested in disconnecting the exhaust. However, the AC unit cannot. It is sized so that it is supposed to be able to handle it. We might have to just get a much bigger unit. I just wanted to know what our options are. Thanks to everyone for their advice. Julie O'Brien Julie O'Brien EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville Education and Exhibits Committee PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 Archimica (Florida) Inc. [formerly PCR] Chemist, Research & Development PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:37:36 -0300 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Aziz M. Abu-khalaf" Subject: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Patricia, >DO NOT hit return to reply unless you want all of us to see it.< The problem is that ALL of them want ALL of us to see it! Take it easy. **************************************************************************** ******* Aziz M. Abu-Khalaf ***** Tel: 00966 1 4676894 Chemical Engineering Department ***** Fax: 00966 1 4678770 King Saud University ***** E-mail: amkhalaf@ksu.edu.sa PO Box 800 ***** Riyadh 11421, Saudi Arabia ***** **************************************************************************** ******* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:06:13 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Double Insulated Appliances MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit n a message dated 99-05-04 10:29:22 EDT, you write: << A double insulated device need not have a polarized plug because the device has been certified to have no way for the user to come in contact with a hot conductive object, even if the internal wiring fails. >> Hi NACHO's Sorry but I believe this is a dangerously incorrect statement. For example, if you take a double insulated drill or skill saw with a two prong unpolarized plug and plug it in backwards, the chuck or saw blade will be 120 volts hot to ground (even though it's off and double insulated). You can test this very simply with an AC volt meter. One prong on the chuck or blade and one on a sure ground. I've done it many times Now use your imagination. If you were to grab the chuck with one wet hand and touch a ground with the other, you be dead fasters than you can say "Oops, I guess Jim was on to something here!" Ed Egan, former OSHA electrical safety expert, maintained that about 35 people per year die in the USA due to this problem. But don't take my word for it. Do the test and then post the results here. Just remember, you are going to be dealing with 120 volts AC. Make sure you know what you're doing or don't do it. ..... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:10:02 -0400 Reply-To: tom@RAGS.kent.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Tom Bialke Organization: Kent State University Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues Comments: To: Bob Burns In-Reply-To: <000701be968b$cd81a9c0$4861add1@ucrpd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Who made the rule that you must read everthing that is sent to you? Use the delete key!!! On 4 May 99, at 20:11, Bob Burns wrote: Date sent: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:11:18 -0400 Send reply to: Bob Burns From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Rules? Who made the rules? > > Use your delete key. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patricia DePra > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:12 PM > Subject: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues > > > > O.k., it's the end of the semester, and I'm aware that I'm extremely > > sensitive to things that waste my time, but it seems as though we need a > > few reminders. > > > > Please use this listserv for safety issues only. > > > > Please send personal responses directly to the person, not to the list. > > DO NOT hit return to reply unless you want all of us to see it. > > > > I receive over 100 emails per day, and I really hate reading old jokes > > for the 50th time, then more messages saying 'isn't that funny' then > > more messages saying, 'Keep jokes off the listserv.' (Which I realize > > I'm adding to....) Please respect our time. Send jokes personally or > > through joke listservs, not here. > > > > And please, don't proliferate this by responding to me at all. Just > > agree to abide by the rules of the list. > > > > Thanks, > > A very stressed out prof who's up to her ears in lab reports, hazardous > > waste, panicking students, and poor politics.... --Patricia DePra > > > > Tom Bialke TOM@RAGS.KENT.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:38:36 -0400 Reply-To: tom@RAGS.kent.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: enough! please respect the time of your colleagues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Folks, I hate to add to the hoopla here, but I couldn't help myself. I just got through readin two weeks of messages like this on another list that I am on. The bottom line I'm after is this: Listservs have List Admins. In our case, I believe it is Jim Kaufman (LabSafe). One of the jobs of a List Admin is to "police" the list. That means when someone starts flaming or posting inappropriate (for *whatever* reason) messages to the list, the List Admin quietly contacts them directly and reminds them of the list protocols and asks them to stop. If they persist in inappropriate postings, the List Admin then starts proceedings to remove them from the list. In this manner, the problem is handled and no one has to read 4-40 messages back and forth about what-a-pain-it-is-to-read-whatever-no-its-not-I-like-it-no-you-are-wrong-no- I'm-not, etc. It's amazing how much more pleasant and civilized a list becomes when handled in this manner. BTW, please flame me off the list, as I really don't want to be responsible for another two days of such messages. Thanx! Tammy Tayman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:19:33 -0400 Reply-To: "edmiston@bluffton.edu" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Edmiston Organization: Bluffton College Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords Comments: To: "Labsafe@aol.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I beg to differ with Jim Kaufman on this one. He is absolutely wrong. If you plug a non-polarized double-insulated drill into 120 VAC "the wrong direction" and get 120 VAC on the chuck... you don't have a double insulated drill. To qualify as DI, there must not be a complete conductive path between any power wiring and any exposed metal (conductive) parts. If electricity is getting onto a drill chuck, then by definition that drill is not DI. A properly designed DI drill will have one or more nylon gears (as oppose to all metal gears) so there is no metal link between the motor and chuck. With a plastic body and at least one nylon gear, the chuck cannot become electrically "live" unless the drill is defective in a major way... for example an internal wire breaks and positions itself in contact with the metal chuck drive. In a properly designed DI drill that cannot happen because the wiring paths inside the plastic housing are supposed to have barriers so that broken/loose wires cannot "position themselves" in contact with conductive parts leading to the exterior. I suppose it could happen that some inferior drills are calling themselves DI and maybe falsely claiming Underwriters Lab (UL) compliance. But a drill that truly complies with UL standards for the DI label cannot behave as Kaufman described. Also note that Kaufman somewhat contradicts some of his other writing in his DI message when he discusses plugging a non-polarized plug in "the wrong way" verses a separate e-mail posting about switches only disconnecting one side of the AC wiring. The switch e-mail implies some understanding about what "inside" and what might go wrong, but the non-polarized e-mail doesn't substantiate that understanding. If there is a direct connection between any AC wire (hot, neutral, in-between) and any exposed metal parts, that device is defective and it doesn't matter what direction you insert the plug or where the switch is... you can be in danger. The danger nay be present with the switch on or off depending upon what type of defect we have. Defects in neutral wires are not necessarily less hazardous that defects in hot wires. Although the neutral wire may not have as high a potential as the hot wire, the neutral wire is not ground... that would only be possible with superconducting wiring. If the wire carries current, and has resistance, it's got a potential difference across it. But more importantly, read the next paragraph. If the neutral wire breaks in a device, and part of it comes into contact with exposed conductive parts, you have one of two problems, one bad and one not so good. The not-so-good situation is when the neutral wire contacting the exposed metal is on the outlet side of the device. This puts you into contact with the building neutral wire... but that wire does have potential on it (unless there are zero operating devices in the rest of that building). You can be shocked, but not likely too badly because this is likely a fairly low potential. If the broken neutral wire is on the device side (say coming from the motor of a drill) then when you touch the exposed metal you are connected to hot through the motor windings. Although the motor winding has some impedance, it's not enough, and you are in trouble if you are otherwise grounded. Now take the above scenario and reverse the plug in the outlet. Now whether you are in bad trouble or not-so-good trouble reverses. The outlet-side of the wire in contact is tha worst case, and the motor side is the better (but still bad) case. The point here is this... if an electronic device becomes defective such that ANY internal wiring comes into contact with exposed metal parts, then polarized verses non-polarized plugs don't mean a thing. They are equally dangerous. Short of repairing or discarding the device, only two things help remedy this situation: (1) a valid third ground wire to the metal chassis will keep the exposed metal at ground potential, blowing the circuit breaker if necessary; (2) a GFCI will detect the leakage current and deactivate the circuit. A POLARIZED TWO-WIRE (NOT GROUNDED) PLUG IS NO PROTECTION WITH A DEFECTIVE TOOL. And a non-polarized two-wire plug is perfectly acceptable in a properly constructed DI tool. Consider this: in a properly constructed DI tool (1) there is no place to connect a ground wire (i.e. which piece of plastic are you going to connect to the ground wire) and (2) there is no logical choice of which side of the polarized two-wire plug to connect to either side of the device because both device wires are equivalent. (This is a bit like asking which is the hot and neutral wire of a generic transformer: there's no difference. Likewise, there is no difference in the two ends of the wire used as a motor winding.) If Kaufman is measuring a voltage on the chuck of a drill, there are a couple possibilities. (1) The drill is defective in a major way. (2) He is measuring inductive voltages that have no shock hazard. With a high-impedance voltmeter you can measure "potentials" that have no ability to deliver significant current. Perhaps this is what he is measuring. Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D. Phone/voice-mail: 419-358-3270 Professor of Chemistry & Physics FAX: 419-358-3323 Chairman, Science Department E-Mail edmiston@bluffton.edu Bluffton College 280 West College Avenue Bluffton, OH 45817 -----Original Message----- From: Labsafe@aol.com [SMTP:Labsafe@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:50 PM To: edmiston@bluffton.edu Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords In a message dated 99-05-04 10:29:22 EDT, you write: << A double insulated device need not have a polarized plug because the device has been certified to have no way for the user to come in contact with a hot conductive object, even if the internal wiring fails. >> Hi NACHO's Sorry but I believe this is a dangerously incorrect statement. For example, if you take a double insulated drill or skill saw with a two prong unpolarized plug and plug it in backwards, the chuck or saw blade will be 120 volts hot to ground (even though it's off and double insulated). You can test this very simply with an AC volt meter. One prong on the chuck or blade and one on a sure ground. I've done it many times Now use your imagination. If you were to grab the chuck with one wet hand and touch a ground with the other, you be dead fasters than you can say "Oops, I guess Jim was on to something here!" Ed Egan, former OSHA electrical safety expert, maintained that about 35 people per year die in the USA due to this problem. But don't take my word for it. Do the test and then post the results here. Just remember, you are going to be dealing with 120 volts AC. Make sure you know what you're doing or don't do it. ..... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:25:17 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: Acid sinks In-Reply-To: <82ACF9C810A5D211B13100A0C9EBE41EB54178@email.uncc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, My advice: Avoid them at all costs. They are nothing but a headache. We disconnected a bunch years ago that were installed in our clinical labs. We were having such problems with clogging and sulphur odors that we just removed them. If you look deeper into your situation, I'd be willing to bet that there is a person (who doesn't know a whole lot about labs) driving the requirement for those things because he/she heard somewhere that labs use alot of acid. If you can, have a Ph probe installed in the main waste line coming from the lab and run it over the course of a month. This will likely give you the ammunition to argue the fact that you don't need them. We're dealing with a 24,000 gallon acid neutralization tank in our most recent ly built lab research building.City code officials made us put it in even though we argued against it over 10 years ago. They later told us if we could document that the pH was 5-9 upstream of the tank, we could disconnect it. pH is at 6-7 consistently but we couldn't afford to disconnect it because of the cost involved. Now we're looking at sucking out the limestone chips because the stench coming out of the ventline (rotten eggs) is all that the people on the first floor can handle! Concentrate on making people in the labs dispose of their material properly.It'll save you alot of aggravation in the end. Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:31:52 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: 2/3 prong plug and GFI In-Reply-To: <21965a87.24602849@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" < To prevent a shock from grounding in water, one needs a GIF plug which > kills the circuit when it senses a high current flow; >> > >No. Actually it kills the circuit when it senses a LOW current flow of 1-2 >milliamps. At the risk of tedium, my understanding is that the GFCI trips off in response to a difference in currrent flow between the hot and neutral conductors (that difference might be the 1-2 milliamps referred to above). The principle is that the current entering the appliance/tool should be the same as that exiting it, so if the hot and neutral are not carrying the same flow, some of that current is going someplace else, which might be the person using the device. The GFCI will work regardless of the polarity of the circuit or plug-in device. Don ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:06:16 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: Acid sinks In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >If you can, have a Ph probe installed in the main waste line coming from the >lab and run it over the course of a month. We've got the same problem with a neutral. system. One alternative on this point in Nick's sage advice: Install a tap in the main waste line, if a pH probe is not practical for you. We found the gunk build-up quickly trashed the pH probes (unless there is a new and improved model available these days). With a tap, you can draw grab samples for testing, or perhaps set it for a slow drip and collect a jug's worth over a longer time period for averaging (though sample integrity could be compromised if you do this for too long). I've also found the tap useful for grabs samples to test for heavy metals and solvents, just to see if we really are keeping these things out of the sinks. Have a disconnectable fitting installed on the tap (a threaded fitting that will accept a plug, for example) so you can remove the tap valve for cleaning - these also gunk up eventually in this service. Don ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 11:49:00 +0000 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Herman curtis Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Michael Edmiston wrote: >..... Although the neutral wire may not have as high a potential as >the hot wire, the neutral wire is not ground... that would only be >possible with superconducting wiring. If the wire carries current, >and has resistance, it's got a potential difference across it. ..... Sure it has a potential difference across it, but if it is more than a volt or two the circuit is highly overloaded or the neutral wire has a defect. The neutral carries current but it is connected to ground. The round hole of three-prong outlets is also connected to ground but it doesn't carry current (unless the drill develops a short). If you get a shock from the neutral side of the line you need to call an electrician. Herman Curtis Department of Physical Science Cameron University 2800 W Gore Blvd Lawton, OK 73505 hermanc@cameron.edu (580)591-8007 ,(580)581-2323 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:21:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Scott Hurd Organization: META Environmental, Inc. Subject: Re: two prong / three prong electrical cords MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello LabSafety Listers: Michael Edmiston wrote: [snip] > breaker. If this instrument is immersed (while plugged in) it may not > blow the breaker, but at least the metal body forms a grounded "faraday [snip] I have seen a demonstration of just such an event. One of the cable U-Do-It/ U-Fix-It shows on TLC or TDC (not sure) immersed a running drill in water. The first time it was immersed with no GFCI protection and the second with GFCI protection. With no GFCI protection: the drill _kept_ running while jetting water from the fan housing!! With GFCI protection: the drill immediately stopped. HTH. Scott Hurd ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 13:32:09 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Cohen, Barry" Subject: Job Opportunity Comments: To: Safety-Messages , Biosafety-Messages PLEASE REPLY TO THE CONTACT LISTED BELOW. 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In our case, I believe it is Jim Kaufman (LabSafe). One of the jobs of a List Admin is to "police" the list. That means when someone starts flaming or posting inappropriate (for *whatever* reason) messages to the list, the List Admin quietly contacts them directly and reminds them of the list protocols and asks them to stop. >> Hi NACHO's, My approach as list owner on this occasion has been to post our "Administrative Reminders." One of the points there is that this list is for lab safety/cho discussion. It is not for jokes. Please don't misunderstand, I like jokes. I think this just not the place for them. Please share them privately with me and others. Thanks. ... Jim PS. It look like the NACHO meeting at LS&EM will be Tuesday evening July 27th after the reception. 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------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BE97FE.5C333620-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:08:31 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Medical references (ALL) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy, It took awhile, but I've placed a list of medical references for chemical exposure on my website. You can go through my safety reference page (http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/bulletins/libraries.html), which has the section on medical references at the bottom, or go straight to the reference page (http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/bulletins/hazmatrefs.html). This is not in PDF format, but it should print out easily as is (two pages either way). I try to update the list every few months. ATSDR will be updating their loose-leaf medical reference (Vol. III on the list) in 2000. Recent updates are largely terrorism references, but those may be useful for EHS-types. The list is based on my opinions and doesn't represent commercial endorsements by me, UT, State of Texas, Province of Manitoba, etc. Onward, JNR Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:21:23 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gordon Miller Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be attending the AIHCE in Toronto. ------------ >Are any other NACHOs going to the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation >Conference/Exposition in Toronto in June? If so, I'd like to figure out a >time for us to meet up, for lunch or something, to say hello in person. > >Please advise. > > Don > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:12:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Matthew Navea Subject: EHS Openings - Philadelphia Area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I apologize for any cross postings. If anyone is interested the contact is listed below. Thanks. Discover what The Employer of Choice has to offer for these immediately available positions: ? Above market pay rate ? 100% Tuition Reimbursement ? Low/no cost comprehensive group medical plans ? 401(k) and pension plan ? Annual bonuses ? Cash rewards on-the-spot for performance excellence ? Competency and process effectiveness training ? State-of-the-Art office technology and lab tools COLORCON is the leading manufacturer and supplier of specialty chemical products for the pharmaceutical industry with manufacturing and sales operations worldwide. The following opportunities are available in our West Point location. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY SPECIALIST Selected candidate will coordinate and deliver occupational, lab, environmental health, industrial hygiene and safety training initiatives using leading edge methodologies. Will also develop and implement MSDS database, establish global product safety standards, assist in recruitment of lab, technical and manufacturing personnel, and administer WC and campus security. Requires a BS in Safety, business or related scientific discipline, excellent presentation skills, and minimum of 3 years experience in a manufacturing environment, preferably in the in the pharmaceutical or chemical industry. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ADMINISTRATOR Candidate will assist in the administration and implementation of safety initiatives and metrics and provide general administrative support to EHS & Engineering Departments. To qualify, an HS diploma (some college preferred) and proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite are required along with a minimum of 3 years administrative experience in a manufacturing, safety or loss control climate. COLORCON is a dynamic, growth-oriented company, which offers an excellent compensation package (with bonus potential) and a benefits package including low/no cost comprehensive medical coverage, 401(k), pension and tuition reimbursement plans. Please send you resume with salary requirements to: COLORCON HR Department 415 Moyer Boulevard West Point, PA 19486 Fax to: (215) 661-2230 Email: bsteel@colorcon.com Visit our Website: www.colorcon.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:43:51 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: Website CHPs Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear NACHOs, Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in your CHPs for ideas. Thanks, Teresa Robertson, CCHO ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:15:53 PST8PDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Craig R. Burnett" Subject: Re: Website CHPs Comments: cc: scottb@ecs.csus.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Teresa: I don't have Cal State University, Sacramento's (CSUS) CHP on our Web Site but CSUS's Engineering Computer Science has their's posted, and it's well done. It's used as a reference by other Colleges and Universities. http://www.ecs.csus.edu/techshop/ChemPlan.html Regards, Craig Craig R. Burnett Chemical Hygiene Officer Environmental Health & Safety California State University, Sacramento 6000 J Street Sacramento, CA 95819-6085 (916) 278-5165, (916) 278-4359 FAX E-mail: cburnett@csus.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:32:41 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: James Kapin Subject: Re: Website CHPs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Our new Laboratory Safety Guide is available for comment at . This document integrates the CHP along with other regulatory requirtements into a format we hope will be easy for labs to use. This is a big change for us, we will move out of the Draft/Pilot stage in a week or two, so I would appreciate any comments - Jim At 09:43 AM 5/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dear NACHOs, > >Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon >be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in >your CHPs for ideas. > >Thanks, >Teresa Robertson, CCHO > Jim Kapin UCSD Chemical Safety Officer Mail Code 0920 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093 (619)534-2823 fax (619)534-7982 mailto:jkapin@ucsd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:37:58 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debbie Decker Subject: Re: Website CHPs In-Reply-To: <30A99C7781C@facmgmtserver.fm.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:15 AM 5/7/99 PST8PDT, you wrote: >Teresa: I don't have Cal State University, Sacramento's (CSUS) CHP >on our Web Site but CSUS's Engineering Computer Science has their's >posted, and it's well done. It's used as a reference by other >Colleges and Universities. > >http://www.ecs.csus.edu/techshop/ChemPlan.html > >Regards, >Craig > >Craig R. Burnett >Chemical Hygiene Officer >Environmental Health & Safety >California State University, Sacramento >6000 J Street >Sacramento, CA 95819-6085 >(916) 278-5165, (916) 278-4359 FAX >E-mail: cburnett@csus.edu > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:42:36 -0400 Reply-To: fullert@bc.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Thomas Fuller Subject: Re: Website CHPs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII The Boston College Chemical Hygiene Plan can be accessed at: http://www.bc.edu/ehs under "Programs and Manuals". On Fri, 7 May 1999 09:43:51 -0700 Teresa Robertson wrote: > Dear NACHOs, > > Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon > be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in > your CHPs for ideas. > > Thanks, > Teresa Robertson, CCHO ---------------------- Thomas Fuller Chemical Hygiene Officer fullert@bc.edu Boston College ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:05:57 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: Website CHPs Comments: To: Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Theresa, Feel free to look at ours, it goes a little bit beyond chemicals because we wanted a lab guide that addressed most lab safety categories. http://physres2.uns.tju.edu/EHS.LabGuide/ Nick Pinizzotto ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:18:50 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ian Fraser Subject: Re: Website CHPs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" UW lab safety at http://www.safetyoffice.uwaterloo.ca Thanks in advance Ian Fraser Safety Office University of Waterloo 200 University Ave. W. Waterloo, ON Canada, N2L 3G1 mailto:igfraser@uwaterloo.ca http://www.safetyoffice.uwaterloo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:32:08 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Matthew Navea Subject: EHS Opening - Philadelphia Area Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Correction from original posting: the contact person is bsteele@colorcon.com I apologize for any cross postings. If anyone is interested the contact is listed below. Thanks. Discover what The Employer of Choice has to offer for these immediately available positions: - Above market pay rate - 100% Tuition Reimbursement - Low/no cost comprehensive group medical plans - 401(k) and pension plan - Annual bonuses - Cash rewards on-the-spot for performance excellence - Competency and process effectiveness training - State-of-the-Art office technology and lab tools COLORCON is the leading manufacturer and supplier of specialty chemical products for the pharmaceutical industry with manufacturing and sales operations worldwide. The following opportunities are available in our West Point location. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY SPECIALIST Selected candidate will coordinate and deliver occupational, lab, environmental health, industrial hygiene and safety training initiatives using leading edge methodologies. Will also develop and implement MSDS database, establish global product safety standards, assist in recruitment of lab, technical and manufacturing personnel, and administer WC and campus security. Requires a BS in Safety, business or related scientific discipline, excellent presentation skills, and minimum of 3 years experience in a manufacturing environment, preferably in the in the pharmaceutical or chemical industry. ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ADMINISTRATOR Candidate will assist in the administration and implementation of safety initiatives and metrics and provide general administrative support to EHS & Engineering Departments. To qualify, an HS diploma (some college preferred) and proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite are required along with a minimum of 3 years administrative experience in a manufacturing, safety or loss control climate. COLORCON is a dynamic, growth-oriented company, which offers an excellent compensation package (with bonus potential) and a benefits package including low/no cost comprehensive medical coverage, 401(k), pension and tuition reimbursement plans. Please send you resume with salary requirements to: COLORCON HR Department 415 Moyer Boulevard West Point, PA 19486 Fax to: (215) 661-2230 Email: bsteele@colorcon.com Visit our Website: www.colorcon.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:57:44 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Stoll, Ilse (Ilse)" Subject: Re: Website CHPs Comments: To: Teresa Robertson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I put our CHP on our Intranet website for easy updating and also to only have the latest version available to all. All lab employees are required to read it, bookmark it and then send me an e-mail - so I have documentation of their participation. I like it better that if I would have to track 20 CHPs and versions thereof, missing pages, misplaced binders etc. Besides, it saves at least 1 tree. Ilse Stoll Lucent Technologies Allentown, PA ---------- From: Teresa Robertson [SMTP:Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU] Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 12:44 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Website CHPs Dear NACHOs, Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in your CHPs for ideas. Thanks, Teresa Robertson, CCHO ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:14:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Low flow alarms In-Reply-To: <8525676A.0065BEBC.00@inet.colorcon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings all, Anyone have any experience with local low-flow alarms on fume hoods. We want to install a simple instument that I can calibrate myself, few computer chips as possible, low drift, and did I say simple. Any experiences with Ventalert? ---------------------- Madelyn Miller Chemical Hygiene Officer, CCHO Environmental Health & Safety Carnegie Mellon University mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:03:24 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Russel Shearer Subject: Continuously off-gasing wastes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People Happy Friday. A faculty member in the chemistry department here at USF occasionally generates a few liters of waste concentrated nitric or chromic acid containing heavy metals. The waste comes from his acid bath which is used to clean glassware. I picked up a bottle of it today and noticed that the cap was not firmly screwed on, so I tightened it. On the way out I ran into this gent and mentioned that he should instruct his students to better tighten the caps onto waste bottles. He told me that this would be hazardous because the mixture of a strong oxidizing acid laced with heavy metals and oxidizable residues continually generates gaseous emissions, and he had witnessed a tightly capped waste container of said mixture explode due to the pressure build up. I told him that I would supply him with a few of those combination funnel / cap fixtures that can be screwed firmly into the waste bottle and that has a spring closer on the cap. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, equipped with the auto close funnel, the lab complies with the closed container requirement. But my concerns are: When I collect the container and place it in my waste shed, can the container's cap be tightened without creating a pressure build up (we use the standard size 2.5 liter glass containers for hazardous waste collection, most of which were formerly chemical stock bottles); If waste materials such as the oxidizer acid mixed oxidizable residuals should not be capped tightly, how do I (my waste transporters) pack it safely for transport to the TSD facility? All help is greatly appreciated, and you all have a great weekend. Russel Shearer University of San Francisco Environmental Safety Office "Have a nice day" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 02:09:37 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mary Ann Solstad Subject: Re: Website CHPs In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990507103240.0073a040@popmail.ucsd.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Great service you're providing, Jim. (I say that site unread as I am swamped). Will get that ANSI statement out to you sometime. I really just cobbled together the best of several of our people's comments and sent it in, along with minor bitching about the short time scale. T Fisher wrote back and said we had plenty of time. They had notified ACS (he thought), and just too bad they didn't tell us--or words to that effect. Was at a Pomona reunion end of April (when it was gray drizzly, which it is here now). Gosh, that campus is lovely. At the close we took a half day into the S B mountains, and then stopped at Mission Inn in Riverside, which I recall going thru as a child. My, they have done a great job of restoring a unique property--almost up there with the Hotel Del. Mary Ann At 10:32 AM 5/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >Our new Laboratory Safety Guide is available for comment at >. This document integrates the CHP >along with other regulatory requirtements into a format we hope will be >easy for labs to use. This is a big change for us, we will move out of the >Draft/Pilot stage in a week or two, so I would appreciate any comments - Jim > >Jim Kapin >UCSD Chemical Safety Officer >Mail Code 0920 >9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093 >(619)534-2823 fax (619)534-7982 >mailto:jkapin@ucsd.edu > Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude 16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness 781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application Authority Past Chair, DivCHAS, ACS msolstad@mediaone.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 05:56:43 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Burns Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds like a problem waiting to happen. I'd insist that the acids be neutralized before disposal. I don't think you can accept reacting materials. Our procedure (industrial R&D) is to neutralize all acids and then dispose of as aqueous waste. (NOT down the drain.) "HAPPINESS IS A WARM PUPPY!" Bob & Evelyn Burns Mill Hall, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Russel Shearer To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 6:03 PM Subject: Continuously off-gasing wastes > People > Happy Friday. > > A faculty member in the chemistry department here at USF occasionally > generates a few liters of waste concentrated nitric or chromic acid > containing heavy metals. The waste comes from his acid bath which is used > to clean glassware. I picked up a bottle of it today and noticed that the > cap was not firmly screwed on, so I tightened it. On the way out I ran > into this gent and mentioned that he should instruct his students to better > tighten the caps onto waste bottles. He told me that this would be > hazardous because the mixture of a strong oxidizing acid laced with heavy > metals and oxidizable residues continually generates gaseous emissions, and > he had witnessed a tightly capped waste container of said mixture explode > due to the pressure build up. > > I told him that I would supply him with a few of those combination funnel / > cap fixtures that can be screwed firmly into the waste bottle and that has > a spring closer on the cap. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, equipped > with the auto close funnel, the lab complies with the closed container > requirement. But my concerns are: > When I collect the container and place it in my waste shed, can the > container's cap be tightened without creating a pressure build up (we use > the standard size 2.5 liter glass containers for hazardous waste > collection, most of which were formerly chemical stock bottles); > > If waste materials such as the oxidizer acid mixed oxidizable residuals > should not be capped tightly, how do I (my waste transporters) pack it > safely for transport to the TSD facility? > > All help is greatly appreciated, and you all have a great weekend. > > Russel Shearer > University of San Francisco > Environmental Safety Office > "Have a nice day" > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:00:33 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, Acids and metals form hydrogen gas and will build up enough pressure to burst a bottle. It is hard to know when this process is complete so perhaps some elementary neutralization when they are ready to turn it in as spent, is in order. Then list the metals, if regulated as the waste stream. Madelyn ---------------------- Madelyn Miller Chemical Hygiene Officer, CCHO Environmental Health & Safety Carnegie Mellon University mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:11:40 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Burns Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Tayman, Tammy" Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have been specifically told by the Maryland version of OSHA (MOSH) that neutralizing acidic waste is considered "waste treatment" and that you have to have a license for it. You might want to check local regs before you go that route. Tammy Tayman -----Original Message----- From: Bob Burns To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Sent: 5/8/99 5:56 AM Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes This sounds like a problem waiting to happen. I'd insist that the acids be neutralized before disposal. I don't think you can accept reacting materials. Our procedure (industrial R&D) is to neutralize all acids and then dispose of as aqueous waste. (NOT down the drain.) "HAPPINESS IS A WARM PUPPY!" Bob & Evelyn Burns Mill Hall, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Russel Shearer To: Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 6:03 PM Subject: Continuously off-gasing wastes > People > Happy Friday. > > A faculty member in the chemistry department here at USF occasionally > generates a few liters of waste concentrated nitric or chromic acid > containing heavy metals. The waste comes from his acid bath which is used > to clean glassware. I picked up a bottle of it today and noticed that the > cap was not firmly screwed on, so I tightened it. On the way out I ran > into this gent and mentioned that he should instruct his students to better > tighten the caps onto waste bottles. He told me that this would be > hazardous because the mixture of a strong oxidizing acid laced with heavy > metals and oxidizable residues continually generates gaseous emissions, and > he had witnessed a tightly capped waste container of said mixture explode > due to the pressure build up. > > I told him that I would supply him with a few of those combination funnel / > cap fixtures that can be screwed firmly into the waste bottle and that has > a spring closer on the cap. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, equipped > with the auto close funnel, the lab complies with the closed container > requirement. But my concerns are: > When I collect the container and place it in my waste shed, can the > container's cap be tightened without creating a pressure build up (we use > the standard size 2.5 liter glass containers for hazardous waste > collection, most of which were formerly chemical stock bottles); > > If waste materials such as the oxidizer acid mixed oxidizable residuals > should not be capped tightly, how do I (my waste transporters) pack it > safely for transport to the TSD facility? > > All help is greatly appreciated, and you all have a great weekend. > > Russel Shearer > University of San Francisco > Environmental Safety Office > "Have a nice day" > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:23:45 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" Subject: flask breaking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forgive the cross posting. I have a question from someone that would like a little more help on their problem and I thought you would be the perfect group for it. You may post to me directly and I will make sure Bob gets all of the replies. "I am a consultant and was asked to investigate an incident that happened today in one of my clients labs. The lab worker was mixing a solution in a 1 litre pyrex volumetric flask with a mixing chamber at the top of the neck. As he was mixing the solution with a rocking motion, the neck broke off right at the base where it start to flare out. The employee cut his thumb & two fingers on the base. They do this task about 2 - 3 times each day and have never had a problem in the past. This is the first one they have seen break this way. The flask is about 2 to 3 years old. Some questions came up while we were discussing causes and I am hoping some of you folks may have some answers or experience with this. 1. Will the flask weaken over time or start to develop stressing at the point where the base of the neck joins the body? 2. Do these flasks have a "life span" after which they should be discarded? 3. Is this common? For solutions we looked at such things as powered mixers and are going to look into that one. We also discussed hand protection in the form of metallic-strengthened gloves with good grip features and are getting a few samples in. Have we missed anything? It is a small lab, only 2 workers in there and I know absolutely nothing about labs or safe lab practices. Any help you can give will be most appreciated. Bob Larson Vancouver" Thanks in advance, Rebecca Levins Environmental Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 direct line (214) 631-6070 fax ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:25:09 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >I have been specifically told by the Maryland version of OSHA (MOSH) >that >neutralizing acidic waste is considered "waste treatment" and that you >have >to have a license for it. You might want to check local regs before >you go >that route. >Tammy Tayman Needing a license to treat waste is true here in California as well (the state where the original question came from; see below) however, we are allowed to "treat" waste if it is done by the person creating the waste, in the course of the experiment. An option for you to pursue, Russell. While there will be many hazards to consider if you go this route, based on your description of the situation, neutralization sounds less hazardous than the buildup of pressure and/or not tightening lids. Teresa Robertson, CCHO CSUB >> A faculty member in the chemistry department here at USF occasionally >generates a few liters of waste concentrated nitric or chromic acid >containing heavy metals. The waste comes from his acid bath which is >used to clean glassware. I picked up a bottle of it today and noticed >that >the cap was not firmly screwed on, so I tightened it. On the way out I >ran into this gent and mentioned that he should instruct his students >to better tighten the caps onto waste bottles. He told me that this >would be hazardous because the mixture of a strong oxidizing acid laced >with >heavy metals and oxidizable residues continually generates gaseous >emissions, and he had witnessed a tightly capped waste container of >said mixture explode due to the pressure build up. >> >> I told him that I would supply him with a few of those combination >funnel cap fixtures that can be screwed firmly into the waste bottle >and that has a spring closer on the cap. So, please correct me if I'm >wrong, equipped with the auto close funnel, the lab complies with the >closed container >requirement. But my concerns are: >> When I collect the container and place it in my waste shed, can the >container's cap be tightened without creating a pressure build up (we >use the standard size 2.5 liter glass containers for hazardous waste >collection, most of which were formerly chemical stock bottles); If >waste materials such as the oxidizer acid mixed oxidizable residuals >should not be capped tightly, how do I (my waste transporters) pack it >safely for transport to the TSD facility? >> >> Russel Shearer >> University of San Francisco >> Environmental Safety Office >This sounds like a problem waiting to happen. I'd insist that the >acids be neutralized before disposal. I don't think you can accept >reacting materials. >Our procedure (industrial R&D) is to neutralize all acids and then >dispose >of as aqueous waste. (NOT down the drain.) Bob Burns ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:12:25 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Linda Kern Subject: Re: Laboratory ventilation In-Reply-To: <199905050111.VAA08413@freenet4.afn.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sorry if this reply is too belated (and/or not applicable)- Regarding labeling in humid conditions: I am a stockroom manager here at the College of Wooster. We are currently renovating our Chemistry building, so the Chemistry Department, including faculty, lab technicians, and labs are scattered all over campus. Most of our chemicals are temporarily being stored in a trailer commercially made for chemical storage. Since ventilation is basically a built-in fan circulating outside air, we have had a problem with label degradation, sweating, etc. The best and easiest solution our stockroom has come up with is to apply "Lab Label Protection Tape" over the label, preferably around the entire bottle circumference and with a generous margin overlap. This tape is made by Bel-Art products, Pequannock, NJ, 07440 USA (Scienceware) 1-800-Bel-Art. There are three sizes, I have Cat.# F13453-0015. This tape seems to be extremely moisture resistant. I believe one use for this tape is for labels exposed to H2O baths. Hope this helps until you can obtain the ventilation system you need. Sincerely, Linda Kern >Our building is separate from others in the facility. It has a separate >heat/AC unit. During the "summertime" (which is most of the year in >Florida), the exhaust fan sucks out all of the cool air in the building and >replaces it with very warm humid air. The bottles get warm and moisture >condenses on the bottles. Sometimes the bottles break if the temperature >changes too quickly. The labels on the bottle do not last well. And there >are a whole host of other problems. We inspect the building regularly to >prevent most things from occurring. > >If we had an AC unit which could compensate for the exhaust fan, I would not >be interested in disconnecting the exhaust. However, the AC unit cannot. It >is sized so that it is supposed to be able to handle it. We might have to >just get a much bigger unit. I just wanted to know what our options are. > >Thanks to everyone for their advice. > >Julie O'Brien >Julie O'Brien >EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville >Education and Exhibits Committee >PO Box 5951 >Gainesville, FL 32627 > >Archimica (Florida) Inc. [formerly PCR] >Chemist, Research & Development >PO Box 1466 >Gainesville, FL 32602 >352-376-8246 ext. 232 Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. - Theodosius Dobzhansky (1973) BUMPER STICKER: "The gene pool could use a little chlorine." Go forth, under the open sky, and list to Nature's teachings - "Thanatopsis" William Cullen Bryant Linda L. Kern Phone: (330) 263-2013 Chemistry Stockroom Home: (419) 281-2789 The College of Wooster e-mail: lkern@acs.wooster.edu 931 College Avenue Room 305 Mateer Hall Wooster, OH 44691 " What is there that is not a poison? All things are poison and nothing (is) without poison. Solely the dose determines that a thing is not a poison." -Paracelsus (1493-1541) Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice Doggie!'...till you can find a rock. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:53:37 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Shelley" Subject: Hand Protection and Glove Selection document Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1285756476==_ma============" --============_-1285756476==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Colleagues--I recently made the mistake of sending a private posting to the list with an attachment entitled "Hand Protection and Glove Selection." (My apologies to the list once again; I realize that attachments give some folks' e-mail systems a cardiac arrest!) Apparently those subscribers that can receive attachments got the attachment as one or two people have written to me about it. The following is a description of the glove selection process I use, which I thought might be of interest to some subscribers: The best policy for glove selection is to only use the glove selection charts provided by the glove manufacturer for the glove in use and to not rely on other references. This is advisable since different manufacturers use different formulations for their polymers and a glove from one firm may not have the same chemical resistance as a glove which appears to be an identical glove made by another firm. This may not always be possible as only a limited range of chemicals are tested by most glove manufacturers and most academic and R&D labs use a wide variety of hazardous chemicals on a regular basis. I use the following process for glove selection in order to develop generic recommendations for glove selection and use for specific chemicals or classes of chemicals widely used in academic and R&D labs: 1) Locate a good-quality MSDS for the chemical of interest. Occasionally, but rarely, a MSDS will specify a glove type or manufacturer. We all know the utility of the phrase, "Use the appropriate chemically protective glove." (The chemical companies usually don't want the liability for glove selection, especially as this is the responsibility of the employer under OSHA regulations.) However, the MSDS has other useful information which may aid in glove selection. 2) Locate the National Toxicology Program (NTP) report for the chemical of interest. This can be done via a Web search at: http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/Main_Pages/Chem-HS.html The database files may also be downloaded to your desktop computer, which I find most useful. The NTP files are indexed by CAS number, so you will need to obtain the CAS number from the MSDS or another source. The NTP files list over 2,000 chemicals and they contain many but not all commonly used lab chemicals. For most NTP chemicals specific glove recommendations are made by glove manufacturer, with brand, model number and thickness listed. 3) Use glove selection charts supplied by glove manufacturers and their vendors to locate specified gloves for the chemical of interest. I currently use glove charts supplied by Ansell Edmont, Best, Pioneer and Safety 4 A/S and others. Vendor charts found in lab equipment catalogs, such as those supplied by Fisher, Lab Safety Supply, VWR and others, are also very useful but usually cover fewer chemicals. A number of these charts are now available on the corporate web sites of the manufactures and vendors of gloves. 4) The Cole-Parmer industrial equipment catalog has a very generic but useful materials compatibility chart that covers common glove materials and a long list of chemicals. Books listing generic glove selection, such as Quick Selection Guide to Chemical Protective Clothing by Forsberg and Mansdorf, are also very useful for obtaining information on chemicals not specifically listed in the manufacturer and vendor glove charts. (I haven't tried the CRC handbook mentioned on the list, but I have a copy on order.) 5) If a chemical is not listed in any glove selection charts available, the selection process becomes more ambiguous. You then need to look at the chemical structure and physical properties of the chemical. If you can locate a chemical that is similar in properties to the chemical of interest it is generally the case that the glove selection for the similar chemical will work for your specific chemical. I use the MSDS, RTECS, the Merk Index, Sax and other standard references to get as much information about a chemical as I am able to gather before I make a glove selection for a chemical that is not in any of the charts. 6) With chemicals that are or are suspected to be especially hazardous, for which no specified glove my be located, you may need to hire a recognized testing service to test a specific glove for serviceability for use with the chemical of interest. Mixtures of chemicals are often make glove selection difficult and great care must be taken in this area. Often a third party testing firm is required for glove specification for mixtures. Costs vary from $150 to $300 or more for each chemical or mixture tested. Following this multiphasic, multiple-reference process I have been able to develop site specific glove selection charts for the chemicals commonly in use, or in some cases, rarely in use, here at Cornell. This process tends to be very time consuming as I generally spend between 20-30 minutes per chemical for the glove selection process. It is also very rewarding as easy to use glove selection charts are greatly appreciated by lab staff, students and faculty, most of whom don't have a clue when it comes to PPE selection. I have also, whenever possible, been specifying glove selection for incidental contact (where no contact with a chemical is intended) and extended contact (hands immersed in a chemical). Glove selection may be quite different for these categories of use for many common lab chemicals. Those persons who received my glove selection document may use it as they see fit, with the usual warning that this information was prepared specifically for use at Cornell University and any use of the information contained in said document is at your own risk. (My lawyer made me say that.) Tom Shelley ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu ****************************DISCLAIMER******************** The comments and views expressed in this communication are strictly my own and are not to be construed to officially represent those of my peers, supervisors or Cornell University. --============_-1285756476==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" GenevaDear Colleagues--I recently made the mistake of sending a private posting to the list with an attachment entitled "Hand Protection and Glove SelectionGeneva." (My apologies to the list once again; I realize that attachments give some folks' e-mail systems a cardiac arrest!) Apparently those subscribers that can receive attachments got the attachment as one or two people have written to me about it. The following is a description of the glove selection process I use, which I thought might be of interest to some subscribers: The best policy for glove selection is to only use the glove selection charts provided by the glove manufacturer for the glove in use and to not rely on other references. This is advisable since different manufacturers use different formulations for their polymers and a glove from one firm may not have the same chemical resistance as a glove which appears to be an identical glove made by another firm. This may not always be possible as only a limited range of chemicals are tested by most glove manufacturers and most academic and R&D labs use a wide variety of hazardous chemicals on a regular basis. I use the following process for glove selection in order to develop generic recommendations for glove selection and use for specific chemicals or classes of chemicals widely used in academic and R&D labs: 1) Locate a good-quality MSDS for the chemical of interest. Occasionally, but rarely, a MSDS will specify a glove type or manufacturer. We all know the utility of the phrase, "Use the appropriate chemically protective glove." (The chemical companies usually don't want the liability for glove selection, especially as this is the responsibility of the employer under OSHA regulations.) However, the MSDS has other useful information which may aid in glove selection. 2) Locate the National Toxicology Program (NTP) report for the chemical of interest. This can be done via a Web search at: http://ntp-server.niehs.nih.gov/Main_Pages/Chem-HS.html The database files may also be downloaded to your desktop computer, which I find most useful. The NTP files are indexed by CAS number, so you will need to obtain the CAS number from the MSDS or another source. The NTP files list over 2,000 chemicals and they contain many but not all commonly used lab chemicals. For most NTP chemicals specific glove recommendations are made by glove manufacturer, with brand, model number and thickness listed. 3) Use glove selection charts supplied by glove manufacturers and their vendors to locate specified gloves for the chemical of interest. I currently use glove charts supplied by Ansell Edmont, Best, Pioneer and Safety 4 A/S and others. Vendor charts found in lab equipment catalogs, such as those supplied by Fisher, Lab Safety Supply, VWR and others, are also very useful but usually cover fewer chemicals. A number of these charts are now available on the corporate web sites of the manufactures and vendors of gloves. 4) The Cole-Parmer industrial equipment catalog has a very generic but useful materials compatibility chart that covers common glove materials and a long list of chemicals. Books listing generic glove selection, such as Quick Selection Guide to Chemical Protective Clothing by Forsberg and Mansdorf, are also very useful for obtaining information on chemicals not specifically listed in the manufacturer and vendor glove charts. (I haven't tried the CRC handbook mentioned on the list, but I have a copy on order.) 5) If a chemical is not listed in any glove selection charts available, the selection process becomes more ambiguous. You then need to look at the chemical structure and physical properties of the chemical. If you can locate a chemical that is similar in properties to the chemical of interest it is generally the case that the glove selection for the similar chemical will work for your specific chemical. I use the MSDS, RTECS, the Merk Index, Sax and other standard references to get as much information about a chemical as I am able to gather before I make a glove selection for a chemical that is not in any of the charts. 6) With chemicals that are or are suspected to be especially hazardous, for which no specified glove my be located, you may need to hire a recognized testing service to test a specific glove for serviceability for use with the chemical of interest. Mixtures of chemicals are often make glove selection difficult and great care must be taken in this area. Often a third party testing firm is required for glove specification for mixtures. Costs vary from $150 to $300 or more for each chemical or mixture tested. Following this multiphasic, multiple-reference process I have been able to develop site specific glove selection charts for the chemicals commonly in use, or in some cases, rarely in use, here at Cornell. This process tends to be very time consuming as I generally spend between 20-30 minutes per chemical for the glove selection process. It is also very rewarding as easy to use glove selection charts are greatly appreciated by lab staff, students and faculty, most of whom don't have a clue when it comes to PPE selection. I have also, whenever possible, been specifying glove selection for incidental contact (where no contact with a chemical is intended) and extended contact (hands immersed in a chemical). Glove selection may be quite different for these categories of use for many common lab chemicals. Those persons who received my glove selection document may use it as they see fit, with the usual warning that this information was prepared specifically for use at Cornell University and any use of the information contained in said document is at your own risk. (My lawyer made me say that.) Tom Shelley ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu ****************************DISCLAIMER******************** The comments and views expressed in this communication are strictly my own and are not to be construed to officially represent those of my peers, supervisors or Cornell University. --============_-1285756476==_ma============-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:48:40 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Ahler Subject: Off-gassing wastes and Treatment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="Off-gassing" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NACHO's, I, too, have had experience with bursting glass bottles of waste liquids. In the case recently appearing on this list, I would recommend first approaching the generator of the acid bath waste to see if there is another cleaning agent he could use - one which would not present the bubbling nitric/chromic acid mixture. Other cleaning agents may take longer, or require a change in a traditional protocol, but change is good. Failing that, I recommend treatment of the acid liquid ( using a carefully developed protocol) to reduce its pH until no more gas is produced. I am most familiar with California regulations, and this treatment may legally be done without a permit if: I. *treatment is performed in the lab where it was generated and performed by the person who generated the waste ( and additional limitations on time and volume), OR II. *it is (A)"....necessary to perform an immediate response to any of the following situations: (1) a discharge of a hazardous waste; (2) an imminent and substantial threat of a discharge of a hazardous waste; (3) a discharge of a material which, when discharged, becomes a hazardous waste. " [Statement number I. is supported by "Response to Issue No. 3, DTSC Responses to Recommendations of the Laboratory Regulatory Reform Task Force, June 25, 1997. These may be seen at http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/hwlab3.htm] [Statement number II. is quoted material from CCR 22:66270.1(c)(3)- Further Exclusions.] It seems to me that pH adjustment to prevent a bursting bottle from releasing its hazardous contents is justified by the above citations (in California). Title 22 is where Cal-EPA regulations are. Cal-OSHA regulations are elsewhere, and to my knowledge, don't address the issue of waste treatment. Thanks for listening. Michael Ahler, CHO mahler@calpoly.edu Risk Management Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, California ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:36:00 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Re: campus transport of chemicals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If I'm doing science demonstration shows at my local school as a volunteer with no affiliation with a company or university while using my own supplies (generally purchased at hardware and grocery stores), do I have to follow DOT regulations?? Julie O'Brien Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:35:13 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: campus transport of chemicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not if all materials are in consumer containers. A bottle of household bleach, for example is a lot different from sodium hypochlorite 6%. -----Original Message----- From: Julie O'Brien To: LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu Date: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 8:35 AM Subject: Re: campus transport of chemicals >If I'm doing science demonstration shows at my local school as a volunteer >with no affiliation with a company or university while using my own supplies >(generally purchased at hardware and grocery stores), do I have to follow >DOT regulations?? > >Julie O'Brien >Chemist >Archimica (Florida), Inc. >PO Box 1466 >Gainesville, FL 32602 >352-376-8246 ext. 232 >Fax 352-373-7503 >afn35210@afn.org > >Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer >EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville >PO Box 5951 >Gainesville, FL 32627 > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 08:07:12 -0700 Reply-To: Marc Neuffer Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Marc Neuffer Organization: SafetyInfo.Com Subject: For those with Safety Duties MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01BE9B85.46045FC0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01BE9B85.46045FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.safetyinfo.com Just to let you know... 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------=_NextPart_000_0134_01BE9B85.46045FC0-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 10:03:41 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: Re: Website CHPs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Purdue's CHP is at http://www.purdue.edu/REM/IH/chp.htm It is in the process of some major revision. I would very much appreciate having input from any/all of you in large universities regarding exactly how you satisfy the "prior approval" circumstances clause, i.e., (e)(3)(v) of 29 CFR 1910.1450 Linda At 09:43 AM 5/7/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dear NACHOs, > >Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon >be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in >your CHPs for ideas. > >Thanks, >Teresa Robertson, CCHO > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:05:16 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Petuch, Brian R." Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 6 May 1999 to 7 May 1999 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Look at the unit manufactured by Dwyer Instruments. I've retrofitted this unit into a few hoods and it works great. > ---------- > From: Automatic digest processor[SMTP:LISTSERV@siu.edu] > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 1:00 AM > To: Recipients of LABSAFETY-L digests > Subject: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 6 May 1999 to 7 May 1999 > > There are 14 messages totalling 494 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Medical references (ALL) > 2. AIHA Conference, Toronto > 3. EHS Openings - Philadelphia Area > 4. Website CHPs (8) > 5. EHS Opening - Philadelphia Area > 6. Low flow alarms > 7. Continuously off-gasing wastes > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:08:31 -0500 > From: Jeff Rubin > Subject: Medical references (ALL) > > Howdy, > > It took awhile, but I've placed a list of medical references for chemical > exposure on my website. You can go through my safety reference page > (http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/bulletins/libraries.html), which has > the > section on medical references at the bottom, or go straight to the > reference page > (http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/bulletins/hazmatrefs.html). This is > not > in PDF format, but it should print out easily as is (two pages either > way). > > I try to update the list every few months. ATSDR will be updating their > loose-leaf medical reference (Vol. III on the list) in 2000. Recent > updates are largely terrorism references, but those may be useful for > EHS-types. > > The list is based on my opinions and doesn't represent commercial > endorsements by me, UT, State of Texas, Province of Manitoba, etc. > > Onward, > > JNR > > > Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS > College of Natural Sciences G2500 > W.C. Hogg Building > University of Texas at Austin > Austin, TX 78712-1199 > (512) 471-6176 (O) > (512) 471-4998 (F) > jrubin@mail.utexas.edu > http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ > > "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise > specified." > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 08:21:23 -0700 > From: Gordon Miller > Subject: Re: AIHA Conference, Toronto > > I will be attending the AIHCE in Toronto. > > ------------ > > >Are any other NACHOs going to the American Industrial Hygiene Assocation > >Conference/Exposition in Toronto in June? If so, I'd like to figure out > a > >time for us to meet up, for lunch or something, to say hello in person. > > > >Please advise. > > > > Don > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~ > > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 12:12:52 -0400 > From: Matthew Navea > Subject: EHS Openings - Philadelphia Area > > I apologize for any cross postings. If anyone is interested the contact > is > listed below. Thanks. > > > > Discover what The Employer of Choice has to offer for these immediately > available positions: > > ? Above market pay rate > ? 100% Tuition Reimbursement > ? Low/no cost comprehensive group medical plans > ? 401(k) and pension plan > ? Annual bonuses > ? Cash rewards on-the-spot for performance excellence > ? Competency and process effectiveness training > ? State-of-the-Art office technology and lab tools > > COLORCON is the leading manufacturer and supplier of specialty chemical > products for the pharmaceutical industry with manufacturing and sales > operations worldwide. The following opportunities are available in our > West Point location. > > ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY SPECIALIST > > Selected candidate will coordinate and deliver occupational, lab, > environmental health, industrial hygiene and safety training initiatives > using leading edge methodologies. Will also develop and implement MSDS > database, establish global product safety standards, assist in recruitment > of lab, technical and manufacturing personnel, and administer WC and > campus > security. Requires a BS in Safety, business or related scientific > discipline, excellent presentation skills, and minimum of 3 years > experience in a manufacturing environment, preferably in the in the > pharmaceutical or chemical industry. > > ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ADMINISTRATOR > > Candidate will assist in the administration and implementation of safety > initiatives and metrics and provide general administrative support to EHS > & > Engineering Departments. To qualify, an HS diploma (some college > preferred) and proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite are required along > with a minimum of 3 years administrative experience in a manufacturing, > safety or loss control climate. > > COLORCON is a dynamic, growth-oriented company, which offers an excellent > compensation package (with bonus potential) and a benefits package > including low/no cost comprehensive medical coverage, 401(k), pension and > tuition reimbursement plans. Please send you resume with salary > requirements to: > > COLORCON > HR Department > 415 Moyer Boulevard > West Point, PA 19486 > Fax to: (215) 661-2230 > Email: bsteel@colorcon.com > > > Visit our Website: www.colorcon.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:43:51 -0700 > From: Teresa Robertson > Subject: Website CHPs > > Dear NACHOs, > > Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon > be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in > your CHPs for ideas. > > Thanks, > Teresa Robertson, CCHO > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:15:53 PST8PDT > From: "Craig R. Burnett" > Subject: Re: Website CHPs > > Teresa: I don't have Cal State University, Sacramento's (CSUS) CHP > on our Web Site but CSUS's Engineering Computer Science has their's > posted, and it's well done. It's used as a reference by other > Colleges and Universities. > > http://www.ecs.csus.edu/techshop/ChemPlan.html > > Regards, > Craig > > Craig R. Burnett > Chemical Hygiene Officer > Environmental Health & Safety > California State University, Sacramento > 6000 J Street > Sacramento, CA 95819-6085 > (916) 278-5165, (916) 278-4359 FAX > E-mail: cburnett@csus.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:32:41 -0700 > From: James Kapin > Subject: Re: Website CHPs > > Our new Laboratory Safety Guide is available for comment at > . This document integrates the CHP > along with other regulatory requirtements into a format we hope will be > easy for labs to use. This is a big change for us, we will move out of > the > Draft/Pilot stage in a week or two, so I would appreciate any comments - > Jim > > At 09:43 AM 5/7/99 -0700, you wrote: > >Dear NACHOs, > > > >Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon > >be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in > >your CHPs for ideas. > > > >Thanks, > >Teresa Robertson, CCHO > > > > Jim Kapin > UCSD Chemical Safety Officer > Mail Code 0920 > 9500 Gilman Drive, La Jolla CA 92093 > (619)534-2823 fax (619)534-7982 > mailto:jkapin@ucsd.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:37:58 -0700 > From: Debbie Decker > Subject: Re: Website CHPs > > At 10:15 AM 5/7/99 PST8PDT, you wrote: > >Teresa: I don't have Cal State University, Sacramento's (CSUS) CHP > >on our Web Site but CSUS's Engineering Computer Science has their's > >posted, and it's well done. It's used as a reference by other > >Colleges and Universities. > > > >http://www.ecs.csus.edu/techshop/ChemPlan.html > > > >Regards, > >Craig > > > >Craig R. Burnett > >Chemical Hygiene Officer > >Environmental Health & Safety > >California State University, Sacramento > >6000 J Street > >Sacramento, CA 95819-6085 > >(916) 278-5165, (916) 278-4359 FAX > >E-mail: cburnett@csus.edu > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:42:36 -0400 > From: Thomas Fuller > Subject: Re: Website CHPs > > The Boston College Chemical Hygiene Plan can be accessed > at: > http://www.bc.edu/ehs > > under "Programs and Manuals". > > > > > On Fri, 7 May 1999 09:43:51 -0700 Teresa Robertson > wrote: > > > Dear NACHOs, > > > > Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will soon > > be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested in > > your CHPs for ideas. > > > > Thanks, > > Teresa Robertson, CCHO > > ---------------------- > Thomas Fuller > Chemical Hygiene Officer > fullert@bc.edu > Boston College > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:05:57 -0400 > From: Nick Pinizzotto > Subject: Website CHPs > > Theresa, > Feel free to look at ours, it goes a little bit beyond chemicals because > we > wanted a lab guide that addressed most lab safety categories. > > http://physres2.uns.tju.edu/EHS.LabGuide/ > > Nick Pinizzotto > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:18:50 -0400 > From: Ian Fraser > Subject: Re: Website CHPs > > UW lab safety at http://www.safetyoffice.uwaterloo.ca > Thanks in advance > > Ian Fraser > Safety Office > University of Waterloo > 200 University Ave. W. > Waterloo, ON > Canada, N2L 3G1 > mailto:igfraser@uwaterloo.ca > http://www.safetyoffice.uwaterloo.ca > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:32:08 -0400 > From: Matthew Navea > Subject: EHS Opening - Philadelphia Area > > Correction from original posting: the contact person is > bsteele@colorcon.com > > > I apologize for any cross postings. If anyone is interested the contact > is > listed below. Thanks. > > > > Discover what The Employer of Choice has to offer for these immediately > available positions: > > - Above market pay rate > - 100% Tuition Reimbursement > - Low/no cost comprehensive group medical plans > - 401(k) and pension plan > - Annual bonuses > - Cash rewards on-the-spot for performance excellence > - Competency and process effectiveness training > - State-of-the-Art office technology and lab tools > > COLORCON is the leading manufacturer and supplier of specialty chemical > products for the pharmaceutical industry with manufacturing and sales > operations worldwide. The following opportunities are available in our > West Point location. > > ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY SPECIALIST > > Selected candidate will coordinate and deliver occupational, lab, > environmental health, industrial hygiene and safety training initiatives > using leading edge methodologies. Will also develop and implement MSDS > database, establish global product safety standards, assist in recruitment > of lab, technical and manufacturing personnel, and administer WC and > campus > security. Requires a BS in Safety, business or related scientific > discipline, excellent presentation skills, and minimum of 3 years > experience in a manufacturing environment, preferably in the in the > pharmaceutical or chemical industry. > > ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND SAFETY ADMINISTRATOR > > Candidate will assist in the administration and implementation of safety > initiatives and metrics and provide general administrative support to EHS > & > Engineering Departments. To qualify, an HS diploma (some college > preferred) and proficiency in Microsoft Office Suite are required along > with a minimum of 3 years administrative experience in a manufacturing, > safety or loss control climate. > > COLORCON is a dynamic, growth-oriented company, which offers an excellent > compensation package (with bonus potential) and a benefits package > including low/no cost comprehensive medical coverage, 401(k), pension and > tuition reimbursement plans. Please send you resume with salary > requirements to: > > COLORCON > HR Department > 415 Moyer Boulevard > West Point, PA 19486 > Fax to: (215) 661-2230 > Email: bsteele@colorcon.com > > > Visit our Website: www.colorcon.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:57:44 -0400 > From: "Stoll, Ilse (Ilse)" > Subject: Re: Website CHPs > > I put our CHP on our Intranet website for easy updating and also to only > have the latest version available to all. All lab employees are required > to > read it, bookmark it and then send me an e-mail - so I have documentation > of > their participation. > > I like it better that if I would have to track 20 CHPs and versions > thereof, > missing pages, misplaced binders etc. Besides, it saves at least 1 tree. > > Ilse Stoll > Lucent Technologies > Allentown, PA > > ---------- > From: Teresa Robertson > [SMTP:Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU] > Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 12:44 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Website CHPs > > Dear NACHOs, > > Who has their Chemical Hygiene Plans available on the WWW? I will > soon > be submitting suggestions for revisions to ours, and am interested > in > your CHPs for ideas. > > Thanks, > Teresa Robertson, CCHO > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:14:28 -0400 > From: Madelyn Miller > Subject: Low flow alarms > > Greetings all, > Anyone have any experience with local low-flow alarms on fume hoods. > We want to install a simple instument that I can calibrate myself, few > computer chips as possible, low drift, and did I say simple. > Any experiences with Ventalert? > > > ---------------------- > Madelyn Miller > Chemical Hygiene Officer, CCHO > Environmental Health & Safety > Carnegie Mellon University > mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 15:03:24 -0700 > From: Russel Shearer > Subject: Continuously off-gasing wastes > > People > Happy Friday. > > A faculty member in the chemistry department here at USF occasionally > generates a few liters of waste concentrated nitric or chromic acid > containing heavy metals. The waste comes from his acid bath which is used > to clean glassware. I picked up a bottle of it today and noticed that the > cap was not firmly screwed on, so I tightened it. On the way out I ran > into this gent and mentioned that he should instruct his students to > better > tighten the caps onto waste bottles. He told me that this would be > hazardous because the mixture of a strong oxidizing acid laced with heavy > metals and oxidizable residues continually generates gaseous emissions, > and > he had witnessed a tightly capped waste container of said mixture explode > due to the pressure build up. > > I told him that I would supply him with a few of those combination funnel > / > cap fixtures that can be screwed firmly into the waste bottle and that has > a spring closer on the cap. So, please correct me if I'm wrong, equipped > with the auto close funnel, the lab complies with the closed container > requirement. But my concerns are: > When I collect the container and place it in my waste shed, can the > container's cap be tightened without creating a pressure build up (we use > the standard size 2.5 liter glass containers for hazardous waste > collection, most of which were formerly chemical stock bottles); > > If waste materials such as the oxidizer acid mixed oxidizable residuals > should not be capped tightly, how do I (my waste transporters) pack it > safely for transport to the TSD facility? > > All help is greatly appreciated, and you all have a great weekend. > > Russel Shearer > University of San Francisco > Environmental Safety Office > "Have a nice day" > > ------------------------------ > > End of LABSAFETY-L Digest - 6 May 1999 to 7 May 1999 > **************************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 11:32:33 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" Subject: Internet Culture: Mailing List Manners 101 Comments: To: "List, Canada Safety" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I would pass this on. It is well put. Rebecca Levins -----Original Message----- Now that e-mail is old hat, netiquette postings are less common, but I thought I would pass along this summary of the current issues. SAFETY people seem pretty good at following the rules of the road, but reminders can't hurt... Slightly edited. - Ralph Stuart Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:00:00 -0700 From: TidBITS Editors Subject: TidBITS#480/10-May-99 Mailing List Manners 101 ------------------------ by Adam C. Engst It's no secret that I'm a huge fan of mailing lists. I both subscribe to and operate a number of lists on many topics, and I spend much of my day communicating professionally and personally in these discussion groups. And yet, I'm troubled by behaviors I see in most lists. Many people pay little attention to spelling, grammar, and the basic composition of their messages, post pointless notes, and bulk up replies by quoting complete originals and appending huge signatures. How you write in email - especially in public places like mailing lists - affects how other people regard you, your opinions, and your knowledge. Think of it this way: if mailing list messages were a reflection of personal hygiene, you don't want to come across to others like you need a shower, clean clothes, and a haircut. Here then are the main behaviors that I would encourage for all mailing list participants. If you're as bothered by the problems in mailing lists as I am, feel free to refer others to this article for advice. You can link to it permanently at this URL: **Write Carefully** -- I realize that I risk sounding like a pedant here, but in cases like this, I don't care. Writing skills in the general Internet populace stink, which means you can make yourself look even more intelligent and thoughtful than you are by writing well. Good writing isn't difficult, and requires only grammatical sentences and proper spelling. You don't need to be a professional writer or be able to make words flow trippingly off the tongue. You should also follow a few basic rules when writing email: * Don't use all capital letters for more than a word. * Insert a blank line between paragraphs. * Surround URLs with angle brackets to avoid problems at line breaks. * Don't use text styles (like bold or italic) or text colors in mailing list messages, since many people won't see them and may even see HTML tags instead. **Quote Sparingly** -- One of my peeves with mailing lists is that people seldom delete unnecessary quoted text in their replies, with the worst being people who reply to a message in a digest and quote the entire digest. Quoting sparingly does require manual work, since most email programs automatically quote the original message in replies. But failing to edit the original wastes everyone's time and bandwidth. In some email programs, you can select some text in the original message, press a keyboard shortcut, and have only that text appear quoted in the reply. (Eudora for the Macintosh does this with its Command-Shift-R shortcut.) Other email programs assume that replying with some original text selected means you want to quote only that text. Especially problematic are email programs that quote an original message by appending it to the bottom of the reply with no quote marks in front of each line. That prevents inline replies, since there's no easy way to differentiate original and new text, so users of those programs tend to leave the entire original hanging off the end of the reply. That's fine in private messages, but in mail destined for a list, it's just sloppy. Unfortunately, the only solution to this problem is to switch to a different email program **Avoid Junk Messages** -- Another complaint about people's behavior on mailing lists revolves around "junk" messages. I'm not talking about spam, since spammers aren't constructive members of a mailing list. Instead, junk messages fall into the following categories: * Me-too posts sent by well-meaning list members replying only to convey that they agree with a message or had a similar experience. A Web-based poll is a better way to take votes on a topic. * Welcome messages that appear when someone new joins the list. No one on a mailing list needs to read "Glad to have you on the list!" from everyone; send such messages to the new member in private mail. * Congratulation messages that appear after a member of the list has mentioned some milestone or personal triumph. Again, send these in private email. The moral of the story is simple: Avoid sending junk messages to a list. They're easy to identify as you type - just ask yourself if the message would be of interest to the majority of the mailing list. If not, that doesn't mean your message is worthless: the original sender might appreciate being welcomed or congratulated via private email. **Write Descriptive Subjects** -- When you receive messages from a mailing list, the first thing you see is the subject line. Which of these subject lines would you rather see on a mailing list devoted to, say, tropical fish? > wondering > Recommendations for fish that can live with cichlids Unless your telepathic powers are better than mine, the first subject line tells you nothing. So, the first rule of subject lines is to make them descriptive. Another problem affects primarily digest readers. They see an interesting message and want to reply, but when they do so, their email program uses the subject line of the digest (Tropical Fish Digest #251) rather than the subject of the message. That leads to messages being sent to the list with useless subject lines, since the title of the digest is rarely descriptive. There's no good solution to this problem, although two mediocre work arounds exist. * Copy the subject line from the message to which you're replying and paste it into your reply's subject line, prefixing it with "Re:". This is effort well spent. * Have the digest sent as a MIME digest and use an email program like Eudora Pro that can separate the digest into individual messages in a mailbox. The problem goes away then, but, for some people, so does the point of receiving the digest version of a list. Sometimes you want to reply to a message but change the topic of discussion. When you do that, you should change the subject line; if you don't, people following the thread will be confused when your message doesn't match its subject. Some people (and some programs) indicate when they've changed a subject line by appending "(was )" to the new subject. That's acceptable but results in long and unwieldy subject lines that work badly in list archives. On the other side are people who change the subject lines on every message they send. That's equally problematic, since it prevents list members from reading (or sorting) messages that are related by a shared subject line. If you create descriptive subjects, maintain the correct subjects if you're a digest reader, and change subjects only when appropriate, you'll be well on your way to being admired as a paragon of list etiquette. **Use Short Signatures** -- My final gripe about mailing list postings is that many people have long signatures at the end of their messages. Email signatures are useful, but mailing list signatures should be kept to a minimum. This is especially true for lists that have digests because the signatures can take up a significant portion of the digest. For instance, messages with long signatures sent to the moderated Info-Mac Digest are rejected with a note asking the person to resend with a shorter signature. Many email programs let you switch between multiple signatures, but you have to remember to do so for each message. **Ridin' that High Horse** -- I freely admit that there's nothing new in this article. These recommendations have been floating around the Internet as long as there has been an Internet. The sad fact is, though, that mailing list manners haven't improved with time. So why can I complain? Two reasons. First, I think it's important that this topic, old as it is, remains in the public eye. Second, I do the work every day to create a mailing list that tries to conform to all the recommendations above. In TidBITS Talk, I do the following to every message: * Basic editing and spell checking, which is significantly eased by Eudora Pro 4.2's inline spell checker. I also add blank lines between paragraphs, add angle brackets to URLs, and remove styled text. * Eliminate unnecessary original text in replies. This task is quite easy, since wholesale deletions take little time. * Reject junk messages. Most mailing lists aren't moderated, but eliminating junk messages, or even multiple identical answers to the same question, is a major advantage of moderation. * Normalize subject lines. I try to keep similar messages in threads and break new thoughts out into new threads. This work also improves the quality and coherence of our archive database. * Signature pruning. Since I'm already editing messages, it's little extra work to trim signatures to their essentials. I do all this work because I think it makes for a far better list experience, and highly positive feedback from the members of the TidBITS Talk list confirms this. Another advantage is that this work tends to keep the list volume down, since I'm less likely to post messages that require a lot of work to clean up. I'm not trying to be smug - I love it when I can post submissions to TidBITS Talk without a lick of work. I also don't expect most other people who run mailing lists to expend this level of effort (though I wouldn't complain if some did). Instead, my goal here is to educate people who participate in mailing lists, since only by improving our list manners will mailing lists continue to become increasingly pleasant and useful. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 13:16:32 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ilona Fiser Subject: Re: Internet Culture: Mailing List Manners 101 In-Reply-To: <01BE9BA5.05858C60@a214-6.ppp.dlls.tx.onramp.net>; from "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" at May 11, 99 11:32 am Get R E A L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is just e-mail. Ilona. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Carleton University Email address: ifiser@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 21:54:14 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jim Mudd Subject: Re: campus transport of chemicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The this case, I don't believe DOT would apply since it is not "in commerce". Having a material in a consumer container does not determine if the material must be transported following DOT regulations. I believe the issue is whether the material is being transported "in commerce" as defined by DOT. Even an aerosol can of hair spray may, under certain conditions, be regulated by DOT. However, proper packaging and labeling would be prudent should an accident occur - as this information may be useful to first responders ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:41:32 +0000 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barb Moore Subject: Re: Website CHPs In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We have the Biology Department's CHP on the Web. We are in the process of revising it, but you can take a look. It's at http://www.wooster.edu/biology/CHP/contents.html ---------- Barbara Moore 330-263-2379 Administrative Manager FAX 330-263-2378 Biology Dept bmoore@acs.wooster.edu College of Wooster http://ACS.wooster.edu/biology Wooster, OH 44691 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:10:58 -0400 Reply-To: dwarnow@cortland.cnyric.org Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Donald M. Warnow" Organization: cortland.cnyric.org Subject: Re: campus transport of chemicals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably the reason that you would not have to comply with DOT regulations is the exemption they have for limited quantities of hazardous materials. Even as a consumer product they have to have bill of lading. For something to be in commerce for DOT means that it is on a public road. But in small containers, ie most consumer product sizes, DOT says that they don't have to be labeled or any paper work. I agree with someone who said that it would be a good idea to have a list with hazards, sizes and identification. Julie O'Brien wrote: > > If I'm doing science demonstration shows at my local school as a volunteer > with no affiliation with a company or university while using my own supplies > (generally purchased at hardware and grocery stores), do I have to follow > DOT regulations?? > > Julie O'Brien > Chemist > Archimica (Florida), Inc. > PO Box 1466 > Gainesville, FL 32602 > 352-376-8246 ext. 232 > Fax 352-373-7503 > afn35210@afn.org > > Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer > EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville > PO Box 5951 > Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:15:14 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gordon Miller Subject: Tests for Perchlorates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone provide a description of the diphenylamine (I saw this spelled "diphenlampine" and figure that is a misspelling) and methylene blue tests for perchlorates or provide a reference for them? I didn't find it in Schilt's "Perchloric Acid and Perchlorates" or the standard CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety. The Schilt reference was copyrighted and published by the G. Frederick Smith Chemical Company of Columbus, OHIO in 1978, Library of Congress Catalog Number 79-63068. Gordon Miller, CIH CHO miller22@llnl.gov ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:30:51 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: ANSI Standards Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear NACHOs, As a CHO, which ANSI standards should I be interested in acquiring copies of? Thanks, Teresa Robertson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 10:02:38 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Barry Rutledge Subject: Employment Opportunity for Safety Techician Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We have a position for a safety techician out here in sunny California. Please respond as detailed in the add. The Scripps Research Institute (TSRI) in La Jolla, CA (near San Diego) has an opening for a full-time Safety Technician in the Department of Environmental Health and Safety. Duties include collecting, segregating and processing hazardous waste. Other duties as assigned. Qualified candidates for this position will have 1-2 years experience in hazardous (chemical) waste management, a BS in Chemistry or related field preferred. Must be able to lift 50 lbs. and wear a respirator. A valid CA driver's license is required. Please send salary history & resume to: TSRI 10550 N. Torrey Pines Rd, TPC-11, La Jolla, CA 92037 or FAX: (619) 784-8071 or e-mail: resumes@scripps.edu Please reference LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU in your cover letter when applying. Visit www.scripps.edu for more information. We value and support diversity in our workforce/AA/EOE. Kenneth "Barry" Rutledge Senior Safety Specialist The Scripps Research Inst. La Jolla, CA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:13:20 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Harry Elston Subject: Re: ANSI Standards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:30 AM 5/12/99 -0700, you wrote: >Dear NACHOs, > >As a CHO, which ANSI standards should I be interested in acquiring >copies of? > >Thanks, >Teresa Robertson > Teresa, There will be an article in the September/October issue of Chemical Health and Safety addressing ANSI and NFPA Standards for chemical hygiene officers. Isn't that a teaser?? Harry Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO Editor, Chemical Health and Safety Chemical Hygiene Officer Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah "God made all those stars out of nothin'. He just 'pfffft' and there they were." -Larry the Cucumber, Veggie Tales ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:14:58 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Greene, Ben" Subject: Re: ANSI Standards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I frequently refer to Z87.1 for eye and face protection, Z41 for footwear, Z358.1 for emergency showers and eyewashes, ANSI/AIHA Z9.5 for laboratory ventilation, and naturally the ANSI Catalog. Ben Greene, Ph.D. AlliedSignal Las Cruces, NM 88004 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:45:11 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bill Schultz Subject: Re: Tests for Perchlorates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a very old document, without any references, concerning the use and handling of perchlorid acid. It says, "When maintenance is required and perchloric acid contamination is suspected, all surfaces should be checked by the application, using a medicine dropper, of a solution of diphenylamine sulfate (1 gram in 10 ml of 1 to 1 H2SO4). The liquid turns black upon contact with perchlorate. The solution also reacts with nitrates but turns blue. Contaminated areas must be thoroughly washed and flushed with water, up to 24 hours of flooding may be required, and then rechecked." Bill Schultz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:33:22 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Garrett Moll Organization: Syracuse University Subject: Re: Tests for Perchlorates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------939B7B5D6B0398BE2091B3E5" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------939B7B5D6B0398BE2091B3E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I provided a resource directly to Mr. Miller, but then felt that others may benefit. I would recommend that anyone interested review the Oak Ridge National Laboratory web page concerning their perchlorate issue (unkown to them for some time). http://www.ornl.gov/ORNLReview/rev26-34/text/permain.html Also, NFPA 45 discusses a perchlorate test method in Appendix A. Gordon Miller wrote: > > Can anyone provide a description of the diphenylamine (I saw this spelled "diphenlampine" and figure that is a misspelling) and methylene blue tests for perchlorates or provide a reference for them? > > I didn't find it in Schilt's "Perchloric Acid and Perchlorates" or the standard CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety. > > The Schilt reference was copyrighted and published by the G. Frederick Smith Chemical Company of Columbus, OHIO in 1978, Library of Congress Catalog Number 79-63068. > > Gordon Miller, CIH > CHO > miller22@llnl.gov --------------939B7B5D6B0398BE2091B3E5 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Moll, Garrett Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Garrett Moll n: Moll;Garrett org: Syracuse University - Env. Health Office email;internet: gjmoll@summon.syr.edu title: Industrial Hygienist note: 315-443-4132 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------939B7B5D6B0398BE2091B3E5-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:22:36 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" Subject: Maryland ticks bites Comments: To: "List, Safety" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FYI "State Urges Precautions Against Ticks [Metro in Brief: Maryland]." Washington Post, 11 May 99, B3. Health officials in Maryland are encouraging residents to take precautions against tick bites that can transmit Lyme Disease. The number of cases of the illness rose from 494 in 1997 to 659 in 1998. Rebecca Levins Environmental Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 direct line (214) 631-6070 fax ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 18:39:07 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Re: Maryland ticks bites In-Reply-To: <01BE9C94.152212C0@a210-9.ppp.dlls.tx.onramp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This could just be due to a growing willingness on the part of docs to diagnose Lyme Disease. It's generally a diagnosis of exclusion, especially if the patient has no bulls-eye rash (30-40% of those infected don't develop one) or goes after the rash has disappeared. Even for those with a rash, it rarely hurts or itches, so they may not know. We've started a prevention program for our people who do field work: education and immunization. SmithKline Beecham has been very easy to work with. Public institutions can receive discounted vaccine via a CDC program. I think our vaccine cost is ~ $42/shot. We have a few useful links for Lyme and other diseases http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/fieldsafety/diseaseinfo.html JNR >"State Urges Precautions Against Ticks [Metro in Brief: Maryland]." >Washington Post, 11 May 99, B3. >Health officials in Maryland are encouraging residents to take precautions >against tick bites that can transmit Lyme Disease. The number of cases of >the illness rose from 494 in 1997 to 659 in 1998. Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:06:43 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Working alone in laboratories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A while back, there was a discussion about working alone in laboratories. Someone mentioned an alarm system that a person wore around their neck. It may have been somehow connected to a security office (in-house). Does anyone have information about this? Julie O'Brien Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 15:49:50 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: DEPC bottle explosion in lab MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, Just thought I'd share this with everyone. An incident which recently occurred here in one of our labs. The following are some excerpts from our "Safety Alert" flyer which we felt the need to send to all laboratory personnel after 3 hours of cleanup and ventilating. Fortunately no one was injured. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A recent emergency response to a laboratory involved an explosion of a Diethyl Pyrocarbonate (DEPC) bottle inside of a freezer. Fortunately no one was injured and the laboratory was evacuated while chemical spill cleanup occurred. The event however, serves as a reminder of an often overlooked hazard associated with use and storage of this common laboratory reagent....." "....DEPC, once opened, rapidly hydrolyzes to carbon dioxide and ethanol because it will absorb moisture from the air. After recapping, the bottle will become pressurized by the spontaneous release of carbon dioxide and be susceptible to explosion....". "..Occasionally, chemical manufacturers will have a bad batch of inhibitor in their DEPC and unopened bottles will spontaneously rupture..." " If your lab works with DEPC, reduce your chances for accident, injury and exposure by following these preventative measures: 1. Consider each bottle of DEPC opened or unopened to be an explosion hazard. 2. Always store DEPC, new or old, tightly wrapped in Parafilm or other similar plastic/vinyl wrap to minimize any potential water absorption during storage. 3. Date all bottles upon receipt and also when they are opened. Store between 0 and 5 degrees C. 4. Purchase the smallest quantity available and use it as quickly as possible to avoid potential moisture accumulation within the bottle. 5. Keep bottles in a metal container (usually the original shipping container) with fresh desiccant. If possible place them in a second larger metal container to contain any spontaneous explosions. 6. Open bottles within the confines of a chemical fume hood and behind the sash or other shield. 7. Wear safety glasses/goggles at all times in the laboratory. 8. Do not store DEPC for a prolonged period of time. The DEPC bottle which recently exploded in the lab was an Amersham Life Science product 100 ml Lot # 103886. Though we do not believe the explosion was related to poor inhibitors, we have nonetheless contacted Amersham to inform them of the occurrence. After response and investigation, Environmental Health and Safety personnel have identified that the explosion was probably due to the following: 1. The opened bottle was stored in a moist environment. (freezer) 2. The bottle was not contained in a secondary container with a desiccant. 3. The bottle had no received or opened date on it and therefore may have been in the lab for a prolonged period of time." Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 12:37:56 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ellen Anson Subject: Re: Tests for Perchlorates In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Perchloric Acid and Perchlorates by Alfred A. Schilt (1979) The G. Frederick Smith Chemical Co. Library of Congress Cat No 79-63068 This is a great reference and has a whole chapter on methods of detection. I know it includes the methylene blue test and we have used filter paper soaked in methylene blue for qualitative tests during dismantlement of ventilation systems. Can anyone provide a description of the diphenylamine (I saw this spelled "diphenlampine" and figure that is a misspelling) and methylene blue tests for perchlorates or provide a reference for them? I didn't find it in Schilt's "Perchloric Acid and Perchlorates" or the standard CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety. The Schilt reference was copyrighted and published by the G. Frederick Smith Chemical Company of Columbus, OHIO in 1978, Library of Congress Catalog Number 79-63068. Gordon Miller, CIH CHO miller22@llnl.gov <<<<<<<< Ellen D. Anson PhD., CIH Industrial Hygienist ______________________________________________________________________________ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808 L-386 Livermore, CA 94551-9900 phone:(925)422-1079 fax: (925)422-6551 email: anson1@llnl.gov ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 10:27:26 +1200 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: John Downey Subject: Re: Working alone in laboratories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain If you contact the Red Cross, they may be able to point you to the madical alarm systems they offer to elderly and infirm people who are living alone. On activation these trigger an autodialler that calls an ambulance. But you could program the device to call any number. Only drawback - I bet they are not intrinsically safe, so no good in explosive gas atmospheres. John Downey Waitakere City Council-----Original Message----- > From: Julie O'Brien [SMTP:afn35210@AFN.ORG] > Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 2:07 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Working alone in laboratories > > A while back, there was a discussion about working alone in laboratories. > Someone mentioned an alarm system that a person wore around their neck. It > may have been somehow connected to a security office (in-house). Does > anyone > have information about this? > > Julie O'Brien > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:40:23 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: please proof liquid nitrogen web page draft? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone interested please proof my first draft of a liquid nitrogen safety web page I'm preparing for my department. I would very much appreciate any and all comments (off the list is better). It's at http://www.chem.purdue.edu/safety/nitrogen.htm THANK YOU, Linda swihart@purdue.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:05:29 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Fran Martin Subject: Most Current U.S. CFRs on CD-ROM (incl. Titles 29/OSHA & 40/environment) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FYI for those who require instant access to U.S. regulations, The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (all 50 Titles) updated to the latest 1998 revision levels are now available on CD-ROM. Features include no "time locks," 5,000+ in-line graphics, Adobe(R) Acrobat(R) PDF format, and instant search/retrieval. See http://www.env-sol.com/solutions/CFR.HTML for details. Fran Martin FM Research & Consulting ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:37:01 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Michael D. Cimis" Subject: Fume Hood duct work MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched Hello I am in the process of reviewing procedures for maintenance workers handling potentially contaminated fume hood ducts and fans. Also looking at clearance for disposal. I am curious how folks out there handle the hazard evaluation, ppe selection, and training requirements for employees. We have a clearance procedure for all shutdowns that involves notifying the lab occupants, posting signs on hoods and an EHS walk through to confirm hoods are not being "used". How do folks handle potential surface contamination though? Send your responses to me directly and I will post a summary to the list. Thanks Michael Cimis CHO Dartmouth College ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:10 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: pH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" T Does anyone know the pH of clorox? Thanks ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:39:27 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: pH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quite high, like 12 or so. ----- Original Message ----- From: Naomi Kelly To: Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:25 Subject: pH > T > Does anyone know the pH of clorox? > > Thanks > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:50:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Amy Gregory Subject: Microscale experiments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" NACHOs: I recently received a phone call from the EH&S department on our main campus. They were interested in locating information concerning microscale organic experiments. Does anyone have some suggestions? Lab text or companies that sell microscale equipment would be a good starting point. Thanks. Amy R. Gregory Lab Manager Univ. of Cin./Clermont College 4200 College Dr. Batavia, OH 45103 (513) 732-5316 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:39:43 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mary Ann Solstad Subject: Re: Microscale experiments In-Reply-To: <199905171641.MAA12421@newman.bch.uc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This course originated at MIddlesex College, in or near Andover, Mass. Maybe they can direct you. Mary Ann At 12:50 PM 5/17/99 -0400, you wrote: >NACHOs: > >I recently received a phone call from the EH&S department on our main >campus. They were interested in locating information concerning microscale >organic experiments. Does anyone have some suggestions? Lab text or >companies that sell microscale equipment would be a good starting point. > >Thanks. > > >Amy R. Gregory >Lab Manager >Univ. of Cin./Clermont College >4200 College Dr. >Batavia, OH 45103 >(513) 732-5316 > Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude 16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness 781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application Authority Past Chair, DivCHAS, ACS msolstad@mediaone.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:06:20 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Microscale experiments Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" We use the Williamson Microscale Kit available from Kontes (269330-0000) or Fisher Scientific. Then just scale down volumes of your existing experiments or follow several publications on the subject. I got 118 hits using the Sherlock search engine on my Mac by typing in "microscale chemistry experiments". One interesting hit was http://host.silvertech.com/microscale/publications.html This is The National Microscale Chemistry Center site. Fantastic. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:17:18 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Clark S. Crabtree" Subject: Re: Microscale experiments In-Reply-To: <199905171641.MAA12421@newman.bch.uc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" We use Macroscale and Microscale Organic Experiments by Kenneth L. Williamson published by D.C. Heath and Company. The opions expressed are my own, **Clark S. Crabtree****** and not those of Grayson County College. **crabtreec@grayson.edu** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:35:22 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Lenore Koliha Subject: Re: pH In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990517122044.00a3eef0@mail.clemson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi.... The pH of clorox is 11.4..... On Mon, 17 May 1999, Naomi Kelly wrote: > T > Does anyone know the pH of clorox? > > Thanks > ***************************************************************** * * * Lenore Koliha e-mail: lkoliha@creighton.edu * * Chemical Coordinator ph#: (402)546-6404 * * Dept. EH&S fax: (402)546-6403 * * Creighton U. * * Jahn Bldg., Rm-110 * * 2204 Burt St. * * Omaha, NE 68178 * ***************************************************************** The true measure of a man is not by the life he leads... but by the memory he leaves behind. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:59:44 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Katie Crysup Subject: Re: Microscale experiments In-Reply-To: <199905171641.MAA12421@newman.bch.uc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kimble/Kontes Glass has a good selection of microscale kits which can be purchased directly through the company or through VWR or Fisher. There are numerous lab manuals devoted to microscale techniques for the teaching lab. At 12:50 PM 5/17/99 -0400, you wrote: >NACHOs: > > >I recently received a phone call from the EH&S department on our main >campus. They were interested in locating information concerning microscale >organic experiments. Does anyone have some suggestions? Lab text or >companies that sell microscale equipment would be a good starting point. > >Thanks. > > > > >Amy R. Gregory >Lab Manager >Univ. of Cin./Clermont College >4200 College Dr. >Batavia, OH 45103 >(513) 732-5316 > > Katie Crysup Chemistry Laboratory Coordinator Texas A&M University -- Corpus Christi 6300 Ocean Drive, CS 130 Corpus Christi, Tx 78412 361-994-5701 (O) 361-994-2742 (F) kcrysup@falcon.tamucc.edu **Area code change, 512 no longer valid after Sept 1999** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:23:03 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Greene, Ben" Subject: Re: pH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Yes - and if you acidify it chorine gas is evolved. "Quite high, like 12 or so." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Naomi Kelly > To: > Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 12:25 > Subject: pH > > > > T > > Does anyone know the pH of clorox? > > > > Thanks > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:22:52 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gordon Miller Subject: Re: Fume Hood duct work In-Reply-To: <18927240@dasher.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The basic assessment tool is swipe sampling. Swipe the interiors with Whatman 50 swipe tabs wetted with DI. Acid is not recommended because it will leach metals so chromium and nickel will be elevated for stainless steel swipe results. Swipe area is 100 cm^2 or a known and recorded area. Per California law, we have the swipes analyzed for: antimony, arsenic, barium, beryllium, cadmium, chromium, cobalt, copper, mercury, molybdenum, nickel, lead, selenium, silver, thallium, vanadium, and zinc. Organics can be assessed using the Ames assay. Whatman 50 swipe tabs premoistened with DMSO are used. The area is the same as for metals. This will detect mutagens which may be a good surrogate for organics, depending on the history of the hood. pH determinations are also certainly in order. Prior to this, the historical uses of the hoods should be identified to see if the swipes need to focus on specific materials or if the potential exists for contamination by substances requiring novel analyses. A visual evaluation is also needed. Is the ductwork clean? Does it have grime or coatings? Is it discolored? PPE determinations are based on severity of hazard and type of hazard. This is no different. PPE is going to be based on the use history of the ventilation system (organic v inorganic, etc.) and the parts of the body needed for swipe sampling. When swipe results are in, the PPE may be amended for the parts of the area for which the swipes were valid. Some disassembly will probably be needed to do more swiping and to disassemble/cocoon (as needed) the components for shipment. The PPE selection process repeats with due consideration for parts of the body that could contact contamination during the disassembly procedure. Welding and other methods may add respiratory protection considerations. Gordon Miller, CIH CHO miller22@llnl.gov ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 17:50:14 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Russel Shearer Subject: Continuously off-gasing wastes Continued Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" People Thanks for all the replies on the issue of gas producing wastes. Several of the replies suggested neutralizing the end products before they become wastes, and some of the replies suggested looking for alternatives to the conc. nitric / conc. chromic acid bath. For those that weren't able to read my original posting, I'll sumarize. A faculty member in our chemistry dept. told me that a tight cap on a bottle of waste conc. nitric / conc. chromic acid was an accident waiting to happen. He suggested that leaving the cap slightly loose would allow formed gases to escape and would prevent the bottle from exploding. My problems are these (the classic stalemate): A bottle of liquid waste without a tight cap could leak during transport or storage, but a tight cap on the same bottle might allow the internal pressure to cause the bottle to explode during transport or storage. Either scenario leads to a release. The affected faculty member told me that the neutralization of a liter of conc. nitric and a liter of conc. chromic acid would be a long process filled with possibilities of hissing hot nitric or chromic acid being spat around. He also told me that there were no materials available to chemists that would serve the same purpose as his oxidizing acid baths. I have two more questions for the list: Does anyone know of / has anyone heard about vented bottle caps? Does anyone know of / has anyone heard about a replacement detergent that would remove stubborn organic / inorganic residues from glassware that is less hazardous than conc. nitric / chromic acid? The faculty member is certain that there is not an effective replacement for his conc. nitric / chromic acid bath, but he feels that there must be a vented cap on the market somewhere. Failing everything, I might start packing bottles containing said wastes inside a compatible bag with some compatible absorbent, sealing the bag and placing it into a compatible 5 gallon bucket, all by itself (with some compatible absorbent). All replies are greatly appreciated, and thanks again to the responders to my initial posting. Russel Shearer University of San Francisco ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:14:27 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Spare Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes Continued MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the risk of sounding unsympathetic and flippant, dare one suggest that presentation of the ~ $500 bill for the disposal of your well-packed 5 gal drum to the affected faculty member (with the promise of more to come) might lead to some rethinking on the neutralization solution or more effective research on alternatives? A general question to all on this subject. What is current thinking on the KOH/isopropanol baths for cleaning glassware? Obviously there is something of a flammability problem, however, I have found use of this solution followed by soaking in dil. HCl perfectly satisfactory for even the gnarliest of organic gunk. Nick Spare -----Original Message----- From: Russel Shearer To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 5:52 PM Subject: Continuously off-gasing wastes Continued > > >The affected faculty member told me that the neutralization of a liter of >conc. nitric and a liter of conc. chromic acid would be a long process >filled with possibilities of hissing hot nitric or chromic acid being spat >around. He also told me that there were no materials available to chemists >that would serve the same purpose as his oxidizing acid baths. > >I have two more questions for the list: >Does anyone know of / has anyone heard about vented bottle caps? > >Does anyone know of / has anyone heard about a replacement detergent that >would remove stubborn organic / inorganic residues from glassware that is >less hazardous than conc. nitric / chromic acid? > >The faculty member is certain that there is not an effective replacement >for his conc. nitric / chromic acid bath, but he feels that there must be a >vented cap on the market somewhere. Failing everything, I might start >packing bottles containing said wastes inside a compatible bag with some >compatible absorbent, sealing the bag and placing it into a compatible 5 >gallon bucket, all by itself (with some compatible absorbent). > >All replies are greatly appreciated, and thanks again to the responders to >my initial posting. > >Russel Shearer >University of San Francisco ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:57:43 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Continuously off-gasing wastes Continued Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I use No-Cromix cleaning solution in my labs. Fisher Scientific cat.# 04-345-20 pg. 415 in latest catalog. You mix the powder with concentrated Sulfuric Acid and it will clean/oxidize anything. Sure, you still have the corrosive waste left but at least no Chromium to deal with. I also buy venting caps from Fisher Scientific cat.# 02-883A. The caps are made by the same manufacturer as the No-Chromix. They fit on standard 9 pound conc. Sulfuric acid bottles. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 11:01:43 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gordon Miller Subject: Duct velocity for Lab Hoods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The standard guidance for ventilation system discharge velocities is 1.5 times the wind speed prevailing 95-99% of time. For us, its about 3500 fpm. That's at the edge of high velocities where noise becomes an issue. This is according to Chapter 14 of the ASHRAE Handbook of Fundamentals. But Z9.5 advises the velocity should be 2000 fpm or less where internal condensation could occur. This runs contrary to ACGIH guidance where high duct velocities are recommended to keep particulates entrained (although ACGIH does not address mists). Doe somebody know why this 2000 fpm criterion exists? I can guess its due to concern about accumulations downstream from turns, etc. where the water vapor could condense in the partial vacuum existing in the turbulence present in these locations and then run off or do damage. Or the mists could become trapped in the turbulence. I gather one should run moist fume hood air at something close to 2000 fpm in the ductwork and then use a taper section to run the exhaust velocity up to about 3000 - 35000 fpm to prevent stack downwash. Does this make sense? Gordon Miller, CIH CHO miller22@llnl.gov ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:22:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Job Posting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Below is a job posting for UNE's Environmental Health and Safety Coordinator. I can vouch for the desirability of the location. If you or someone you know is interested, send resume and stuff to the address below. If someone does respond to me inadvertently, I will pass the info on. Janeen ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH & SAFETY COORDINATOR The University of New England has an opening for an Environmental Health and Safety Coordinator. This person will have responsibility to develop and implement policies, conduct and oversee training programs, and oversee compliance with federal, state and local laws and regulations related to life, fire and environmental safety. The right person for this job will be an experienced and certified professional, with a minimum of a Bachelors degree in industrial engineering, environmental science, safety, or related area. Knowledge of building and life safety codes and hazardous waste management are critical. Strong organizational and communication skills are also essential. The University of New England will offer a competitive salary and excellent benefits program which includes well funded health, dental, life, and disability insurance, liberal leave time, free fitness facilities, a progressive retirement program, and tuition benefits for employees and families. Interested persons should send resume and cover letter by May 28, 1999 to: Sally Libby, Assistant Director of Human Resources, University of New England, 11 Hills Beach Road, Biddeford ME 04005. The University of New England is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action employer and welcomes female and minority candidacies. The University of New England is a dynamic, growth oriented university with locations in Biddeford and Portland, Maine, 90 miles north of Boston. Graduate and undergraduate degree programs focus on health and life sciences, environmental science, human services, and management. UNE includes Maine's only medical school, which emphasizes the education of primary care physicians. www.une.edu Resumes should be forwarded to: Sally Libby Assistant Director of Human Resources University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford ME 04005 :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:27:30 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Roberta Black Subject: Re: LS&EM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jim--I see you are going to be at NAOSMM July 24 in Colorado Springs. Is there an additional charge for your seminar for NAOSMM members? Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:06:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: Exposure Assessment Photographic Processor Solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Curious to know if anyone has any experience monitoring and assessing exposure to developer solutions. We have a group of Radiology Technicians in our breast imaging center who have a history of complaints regarding inhalation of fixer & developer vapors off gassing from processors. We have switched exhaust ventilation for the small rooms to a better system which eventually ends up outside. The earlier system was hooked to the end run of a bathroom exhaust fan 12 floors away and general room return (to air handler) ventilation but that's a whole other story I don't have space to tel you about. While I don't believe people are over exposed, I'd like to look at some exposure to cover the bases and perhaps make the individuals there feel better. One worker DOES have respiratory problems which may or may not be related. We are having a physician examine her. What chemicals/ contaminants are best to assess? Would appreciate some input. Thanks NACHO's! Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:28:39 +0000 Reply-To: ksimpson@csu.edu.au Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Ken Simpson Subject: Ethanol & static discharge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Good morning to all. I am seeking advice from members of the list regarding the use of plastic pumps for the pumping of 100% Ethanol from 20L drums and approximately 70% Ethanol from preservation vats. The pumps are the manual type (move handle up & down) and are made of a plastic material. The question I ask is what are the chances of static charge build up causing ignition? All thoughts appreciated. Kind regards Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Simpson Laboratory Manager School of Biomedical Sciences Charles Sturt University - Riverina PO Box 588 Wagga Wagga NSW Australia 2678 Telephone 02 69 334032 International ph + 61 269 334032 Facsimile 02 69 332587 fax + 61 269 332587 Email ksimpson@csu.edu.au School of Biomedical Sciences Homepage http://www.csu.edu.au/faculty/health/biomed/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:59:09 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: how often to test Dewars Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am looking for any/all reference(s) for required or recommended inspection, testing, certification of the "self-pressurizing" Dewars used for liquid nitrogen storage, and for their pressure relief devices. These are the ones, common size 180 L, often filled from a large bulk storage tank and then moved to some more central location in a department (or an individual research group) and used for dispensing into smaller vessels. Thanks, Linda ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:01:07 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Lucy M. Zotter" Subject: chloroprene gloves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi NACHOS I just got a sample of "peppermint scented" chloroprene gloves from my Thomas rep. Do any of you know anthing about the chemical resistance of these gloves? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:14:54 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: LS&EM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-18 16:26:43 EDT, you write: << Jim--I see you are going to be at NAOSMM July 24 in Colorado Springs. Is there an additional charge for your seminar for NAOSMM members? Thank you. >> Roberta - Yes, there is a separate registration fee for the course. I think it's in the range of $200. They can provide the registration material and cost. ... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:56:50 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Exposure Assessment Photographic Processor Solutions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Ammonium Thiosulfate, Ammonium Thiocyanate, Sodium meta-Bisulfite, Acetic acid, Potassium meta-Bisulfite, Potassium carbonate, Potassium hydroxide, Hydroquinone, Sodium sulfite, Sodium thiosulfate, N-Methylaminoethanol. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:12:28 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Re: LS&EM In-Reply-To: <13c86fd.2473f72e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please enlighten me--what is NAOSMM? At 07:14 AM 5/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 99-05-18 16:26:43 EDT, you write: > ><< Jim--I see you are going to be at NAOSMM July 24 in Colorado Springs. Is >there an additional charge for your seminar for NAOSMM members? Thank you. >>> > > >Roberta - Yes, there is a separate registration fee for the course. I think >it's in the range of $200. They can provide the registration material and >cost. ... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:23:39 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Lucy M. Zotter" Subject: chloroprene gloves Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know anything about the chemical resistance of chloroprene gloves? I just received a sample pack of these "peppermint scented " gloves from my Thomas rep. Thanks Lucy ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:46:26 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Lisa Gonzalez Subject: Re: Exposure Assessment Photographic Processor Solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Curious to know if anyone has any experience monitoring and assessing exposure to developer solutions. We have a group of Radiology Technicians in our breast imaging center who have a history of complaints regarding inhalation of fixer & developer vapors off gassing from processors. I've never monitored this, however I have done my own developing & processing. You must consider the developer and fixative. Usually these are 2 separate components. If they are using a processor then the potential for exposure is less than if they develop their own film in a darkroom. Your best bet is to get the MSDSs and see if there are alternative "less smelly" solutions to use. We have switched exhaust ventilation for the small rooms to a better system which eventually ends up outside. The earlier system was hooked to the end run of a bathroom exhaust fan 12 floors away and general room return (to air handler) ventilation but that's a whole other story I don't have space to tel you about. Sounds interesting all the same! If there are respiratory problems involved, What chemicals/ contaminants are best to assess? The developer may be a caustic, but needs to be looked at. Formaldehyde is the most likely culprit in the fixative step. I would check with the company that manufactures the developer & fixative for the MSDS. OSHA has an entire standard for formaldehyde (1910.1048 Formaldehyde standard the PEL is .75 ppm). Appendix A of this standard is a technical guideline for Formalin which includes a medical surveillance program. Good Luck! Lisa A. Gonzalez, NRCC-CHO R&D Safety and Health Officer lisa.gonzalez@pharma.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:10:19 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Joe Chase Subject: Re: LS&EM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you not familiar with NAOSMM it is the National Association of Scientific Materials Managers. We will be having our Annual Conference & Trade Show in Colorado Springs, CO, July 26-30. For more information visit our web-site: www.denison.edu/NAOSMM/ . Thanks for asking. --Joe Chase, President of NAOSMM ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:27:27 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Linda S. Perez-Saldana" Subject: Re: LS&EM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >In a message dated 99-05-18 16:26:43 EDT, you write: > ><< Jim--I see you are going to be at NAOSMM July 24 in Colorado Springs. Is >there an additional charge for your seminar for NAOSMM members? Thank you. >>> > > >Roberta - Yes, there is a separate registration fee for the course. I think >it's in the range of $200. They can provide the registration material and >cost. ... Jim > The registration information will come with registration packets that are being sent soon. Please see the NAOSMM website for other information with regard to registration and cost for the NAOSMM conference. Linda (Program Co-chair for 1999 NAOSMM Conference) \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Linda S. Perez-Saldana NAOSMM member #991 since 1994 Coordinator Ask Me! New Mexico State University Biology Department (505)646-3915 Box 30001 MSC 3AF (505)382-6547 pager Foster Hall Room 130 (505)646-5665 fax Las Cruces, NM 88003 liperez@nmsu.edu ***** http://pc-biology.nmsu.edu/linda/coordina.htm ***** /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:42:19 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Spare Subject: LS&EM Seminar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Southern California NACHO's, Is anyone going to the LS&EM seminar on Environmental Management Topics for Laboratories at the SCAQMD headquarters in Diamond Bar tomorrow? If so, maybe we can organize lunch together? Nick Spare Pilot Chemical Co. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:52:35 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: daustin Subject: Re: how often to test Dewars Hi Dr. Swihart, The best way to be safe in certifying dewars is to contact the manufacture of the dewar and have them do the periodical inspection and re-up the cert's. Cryenco, Linde, Airco and others who make dewars will do this for you. The reliefs on the dewars are included. If you own your own dewars and are filling by transferring from in place commerical large dewars to a smaller dewar it would be wise to concider dropping this practice. As the problems with ownership and maintenance is or can be very difficult to really have control of the needed steps. Basis, people just don't take care of and respect the dewars. Plus it is very tricky for just anyone to transfer to a 160 liter or other dewar and do it safely, especially from the large in place systems. The transfer raates are very fast and with out some design effort to build a manifold to allow the transfer to the 160 liter dewars it can be very dangerous.. Generally they blow all the reliefs and spray 2 phase all over the area. It is cheaper in the long run to just buy the lin in 160 commerical dewars. And use the built in pressure builders to extract the lin. Although for most uses the commerical dewars build way more pressure than is needed to give a good rich liquid with out so much 2 phase in the lin. But the contract with the supplier in many cases could be set up to have low pressure dewars.It is best for most novices to use a phase separator for the transfer into small portable hand carry dewars. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Linda A. Swihart To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 21:59 Subject: how often to test Dewars : I am looking for any/all reference(s) for required or recommended : inspection, testing, certification of the "self-pressurizing" Dewars used : for liquid nitrogen storage, and for their pressure relief devices. These : are the ones, common size 180 L, often filled from a large bulk storage : tank and then moved to some more central location in a department (or an : individual research group) and used for dispensing into smaller vessels. : : Thanks, : Linda : ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:17:11 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: ray campbell Subject: Re: LS&EM Seminar In-Reply-To: <002c01bea216$92af6120$2101010a@njs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I was looking forward to it, but I have an ISO audit on Friday. I've been in Tucson for two days already. Next time, Nick. At 09:42 AM 5/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Southern California NACHO's, > >Is anyone going to the LS&EM seminar on Environmental Management Topics for >Laboratories at the SCAQMD headquarters in Diamond Bar tomorrow? If so, >maybe we can organize lunch together? > >Nick Spare >Pilot Chemical Co. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:20:48 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: LS&EM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs.. NAOSMM is the National Association of Science Materials Managers. The association has about 1000 members, a newsletter, Internet discussion list, and national meeting. Maybe NACHO should think about an annual meeting! I've been presenting one-day lab safety seminars at their meeting for the past five years. .... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:56:37 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Reeder, Deborah" Subject: NAOSMM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Do they have a website or phone number where I can call to get info? Anyone know if they will be at LS&EM conference in Philly? Debbie Reeder Lab Manager Chemistry Department Anne Arundel Community College Arnold, MD 21012 410 541-2224 -----Original Message----- From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 8:21 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Re: LS&EM Hi NACHOs.. NAOSMM is the National Association of Science Materials Managers. The association has about 1000 members, a newsletter, Internet discussion list, and national meeting. Maybe NACHO should think about an annual meeting! I've been presenting one-day lab safety seminars at their meeting for the past five years. .... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:42:36 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: NACHO annual meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jim suggests: Maybe NACHO should think about an annual meeting! I've been presenting one - day lab safety seminars at their meeting for the past five years. .... Jim I think this would be a great idea. Maybe we could review hot topics from the list and ask for presentations of the info compiled and referenced with the applicable standards and resources. Of course we would have to have a one - day lab safety seminar too. Maybe include the opportunity to take the CHO cert. exam. That's just a few ideas... I second Jim's suggestion. Janeen :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:02:23 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Much as I like the idea of a NACHO meeting, I would have trouble justifying attendance at another professional meeting. Industry is not quite as open to these as academia seems to be. ----- Original Message ----- From: Janeen LaPierre To: Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 9:42 Subject: NACHO annual meeting > Jim suggests: > > Maybe NACHO should think about an annual meeting! > > I've been presenting one - day lab safety seminars at their meeting for the > past five years. .... Jim > > > I think this would be a great idea. Maybe we could review hot topics from the list and ask for presentations of the info compiled and referenced with the applicable standards and resources. Of course we would have to have a one - day lab safety seminar too. Maybe include the opportunity to take the CHO cert. exam. That's just a few ideas... > > I second Jim's suggestion. > > Janeen > > :):):):):):):):):):):):) > Janeen Lapierre, CHO > College of Osteopathic Medicine > University of New England > 11 Hills Beach Road > Biddeford, ME 04005 > > E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU > Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 > Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:14:29 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: Re: NAOSMM In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is a link from the http://www.labsafety.org/ "Training" page that takes you to http://www.denison.edu/naosmm/naosmm.htm which appears to be the NAOSMM web site. However, in their "future conferences" section they do not indicate any further into the future than Colorado Springs. Linda At 08:56 AM 5/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >Do they have a website or phone number where I can call to get info? Anyone >know if they will be at LS&EM conference in Philly? > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:47:16 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Helen B. Gerhard" Subject: Re: LS&EM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think that for the time being, having NACHOites meet as they go to other professional conferences is good. Since the first breakfast meeting at the ACS meeting, it sounds like each time a large meeting is planned (ACS, LS&EM, etc.), NACHOites plan on meeting. This is good for a beginning group. Perhaps someday having a NACHO annual meeting would be wise...but until then, the system is good. Thanks! Helen Maybe NACHO should think about an annual meeting! .... Jim ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:36:49 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bill Schultz Subject: Re[2]: how often to test Dewars MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the Dewars being discussed are DOT 4L cylinders. 49 CFR 173.34, Qualification, maintenance and use of cylinders, in the chart "Retest and Inspection of Cylinders" states that retest is not required. 49 CFR 178.57 lists the specifications for 4L welded insulated cylinders. I do not have the background to discuss why no retest is required so I have no knowledge to form an opinion as to whether or not this is a good practice. I just have to have faith in the regulators. Bill Schultz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:55:42 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: carcinogens Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear NACHO's, I received a request to revise our chemical hygiene plan in a manner in which I consider to be a step backwards; i.e. allowing the use of select carcinogens without a desiganated area. The request follows this paragraph. As for the portion that says "exposure monitoring", a one-time monitoring is all that is planned. Feedback please. Teresa "...the Chemical Hygiene Program states "Carcinogens may ONLY be used in a designated work area "in accordance with specified posting requirements etc... Since the regulations allow greater flexibility, I propose the following change in the CHP. "Carcinogens may ONLY be used in designated work areas in accordance with the following requirements, unless negative exposure has been documented for use of non-friable, non-volatile substances. Work practice development and exposure monitoring will be conducted by in consultation with laboratory supervisors." This will allow us to establish work practices, conduct monitoring and exempt processes, like use of lead strips in an electrolytic cell, from carcinogen postings if negative exposure documents that they are non-hazardous." The above suggestion was prefaced by: The Cal-OSHA lab standard section (e) discusses the required contents of a chemical hygiene program. Subsection (H) deals with "provisions for additional employee protection for work with particularly hazardous substances including select carcinogens". Section (H) states that "specific consideration shall be given to the following provisions which shall be included where appropriate; 1. establishment of designated areas; 2. use of containment devices such as fume hoods or glove boxes; 3. procedures for safe removal of contaminated waste; and decontamination procedures". ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:26:44 -0400 Reply-To: dwarnow@cortland.cnyric.org Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Donald M. Warnow" Organization: cortland.cnyric.org Subject: Re: carcinogens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may have been out of product safety for too long, but I wasn't aware that lead was a carcinogen. However, sand is and the limits in place would restrict it's use. May want to look at setting up a review procedure were materials that an instructor may want to use outside the normal limits can be agreed upon by a committee. That way it will give some flexablity while still complying with requirements. Teresa Robertson wrote: > > Dear NACHO's, > I received a request to revise our chemical hygiene plan in a manner in > which I consider to be a step backwards; i.e. allowing the use of > select carcinogens without a desiganated area. The request follows > this paragraph. As for the portion that says "exposure monitoring", a > one-time monitoring is all that is planned. Feedback please. > Teresa > > "...the Chemical Hygiene Program states "Carcinogens may ONLY be used > in a designated work area "in accordance with specified posting > requirements etc... Since the regulations allow greater flexibility, I > propose the following change in the CHP. > > "Carcinogens may ONLY be used in designated work areas in accordance > with the following requirements, unless negative exposure has been > documented for use of non-friable, non-volatile substances. Work > practice development and exposure monitoring will be conducted by in > consultation with laboratory supervisors." > > This will allow us to establish work practices, conduct monitoring and > exempt processes, like use of lead strips in an electrolytic cell, from > carcinogen postings if negative exposure documents that they are > non-hazardous." > > The above suggestion was prefaced by: > The Cal-OSHA lab standard section (e) discusses the required contents > of a chemical hygiene program. Subsection (H) deals with "provisions > for additional employee protection for work with particularly hazardous > substances including select carcinogens". Section (H) states that > "specific consideration shall be given to the following provisions > which shall be included where appropriate; 1. establishment of > designated areas; 2. use of containment devices such as fume hoods or > glove boxes; 3. procedures for safe removal of contaminated waste; and > decontamination procedures". ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:03:48 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Melissa Burik Subject: Re: carcinogens In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Teresa, I am inclined to agree with you about the backward approach to the "negative exposure" idea. Perhaps your definition of a designated area may need rethought. We recently added a PHS amendment to our chemical hygiene plan. It was written by a subcommittee of our campus Laboratory Safety Committee. The Lab Safety Committee is comprised of faculty members of all campus departments, research groups with laboratories and two of us from EH&S. The document seems to satisfy all by calling for specific safety protocols for each PHS. Some obviously being more stringent than others. You can view our PHS info on the web at http://www.cmu.edu/fms/PHSAmend.html. Of course, now the hard part begins implementation. Good luck. Melissa ---------------------- Melissa Burik Carnegie Mellon University Environmental Health & Safety burik@andrew.cmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:21:16 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: carcinogens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sounds like a major step back and out of compliance. For what its worth, Janeen. :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:25:24 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debra Sharpe Subject: neutralizing traps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >We are building a new facility that will have a fumehood in a pharmacy. >The Mechanical engineers want to install an acid neutralizing trap (calcium >chips maybe?) below the sink cup. Has anyone had experience with these? Are >they necessary? The acid usage will not be excessive, I do not believe. >They say they need this because the sink cup will empty into a cast iron >pipe with no glass traps or piping. They think the acid will corrode the >cast piping. I have never seen any data on these systems and I wonder if >they work, or do they cause more problems for the user (backing up)? Any >info will be greatly appreciated. > > >D. C. Sharpe, CCHO >Associate Director >Safety and Environmental Health >313 Leach Science Bldg >Auburn University, 36849 >Ph (334) 844-4870 >fax 4640 > D. C. Sharpe, CCHO Associate Director Safety and Environmental Health 313 Leach Science Bldg Auburn University, 36849 Ph (334) 844-4870 fax 4640 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:52:37 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" Subject: Re: carcinogens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEA2D8.CF883B40" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEA2D8.CF883B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since you are in California, what about Proposition 65 warnings? Lead is = on the prop 65 carcinogen and reproductive hazard list (as you probably = well know). You may need to post Prop 65 warnings anyway in the areas = that lead is used unless you can show the 1 in ??????? chance of = exposure or whatever it is (I never remember - I always have to look it = up) for Prop 65 to not be posted. So you may have to have designated = areas anyway. What you could do is list the specific 'exemptions' to your normal = practice in the CHP. That way you definitely control what is exempted = and review the exposure each year when you review the CHP. I wouldn't = leave it open-ended. For some things a one-time monitoring may be all = you need, if levels are very low and work practices don't change. =20 "Carcinogens may ONLY be used in designated work areas in accordance with the following requirements, except for the following = practices/materials that negative exposure has been documented for use = of non-friable, non-volatile substances: lead strips in an electrolytic = cell. Work practice development and exposure monitoring has been = conducted in consultation with laboratory supervisors." Best regards, Rebecca Levins Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 P.S. For other lister, lead is now a IARC 2B carcinogen and is on the = California Proposition 65 list as a carcinogen. -----Original Message----- From: Teresa Robertson [SMTP:Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 1:56 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: carcinogens Dear NACHO's, I received a request to revise our chemical hygiene plan in a manner in which I consider to be a step backwards; i.e. allowing the use of select carcinogens without a desiganated area. The request follows this paragraph. As for the portion that says "exposure monitoring", a one-time monitoring is all that is planned. Feedback please. Teresa "...the Chemical Hygiene Program states "Carcinogens may ONLY be used in a designated work area "in accordance with specified posting requirements etc... Since the regulations allow greater flexibility, I propose the following change in the CHP. "Carcinogens may ONLY be used in designated work areas in accordance with the following requirements, unless negative exposure has been documented for use of non-friable, non-volatile substances. Work practice development and exposure monitoring will be conducted by in consultation with laboratory supervisors." This will allow us to establish work practices, conduct monitoring and exempt processes, like use of lead strips in an electrolytic cell, from carcinogen postings if negative exposure documents that they are non-hazardous." The above suggestion was prefaced by: The Cal-OSHA lab standard section (e) discusses the required contents of a chemical hygiene program. Subsection (H) deals with "provisions for additional employee protection for work with particularly hazardous substances including select carcinogens". Section (H) states that "specific consideration shall be given to the following provisions which shall be included where appropriate; 1. establishment of designated areas; 2. use of containment devices such as fume hoods or glove boxes; 3. procedures for safe removal of contaminated waste; and decontamination procedures". =00 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:14:01 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: Re: carcinogens Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu,.internet writes: >Since you are in California, what about Proposition 65 warnings? Lead >is on the prop 65 carcinogen and reproductive hazard list (as you >probably well know). You may need to post Prop 65 warnings anyway in >the areas that lead is used unless you can show the 1 in ??????? chance >of exposure or whatever it is (I never remember - I always have to look >it up) for Prop 65 to not be posted. So you may have to have designated >areas anyway. >Rebecca Levins >Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist >RSRrdl@onramp.net It was a surprise to me at first, but I've been told that since we are a State of California building, we are exempt from Prop 65 since we are not a "business". Teresa ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:58:05 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHO's If we were to have an annual meeting, what time of year would be preferred? ...jim ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 04:48:21 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Guy W. Innocente" Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting In-Reply-To: <8defbc2e.247617ad@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 09:58 PM 5/20/99 EDT, you wrote: >If we were to have an annual meeting, what time of year would be preferred? >...jim > Time of year is not important. Location in New England area would be helpful for me ($$$). Still lurking in the background. Thanks, Guy ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:56:41 +0100 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: James Cheney Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy W. Innocente Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting > At 09:58 PM 5/20/99 EDT, you wrote: > >If we were to have an annual meeting, what time of year would be preferred? > > Location in New England area would be helpful for me ($$$). > > Still lurking in the background. Ditto but without the "new" would be ideal for me (£££) Lurking even further in the background Jim Cheney Safety Office University of Kent Canterbury UK ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:53:13 +0100 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Francisco Javier Arnaiz Organization: Universidad de Burgos Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <<<> At 09:58 PM 5/20/99 EDT, you wrote: > >If we were to have an annual meeting, what time of year would be preferred? > > Location in New England area would be helpful for me ($$$). > > Still lurking in the background. Ditto but without the "new" would be ideal for me (£££) Lurking even further in the background>>> And I propose: Burgos (Spain) Dates: Between April, 1 and October, 30 (except August), 2000. I can offer 50 single or double rooms (one day, good hotel) free for participants (If I continue in the Direction of the Chemistry Department, of course) -- Francisco J. Arnaiz Lab. de Quimica Inorganica Universidad de Burgos 09001 Burgos (Spain) Tel. +34-947-258823 Fax: +34-947-258831 mailto:farnaiz@ubu.es ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:54:18 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Sharon Reed Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The three months after August... I am most likely to still have money in my budget at that point! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:21:01 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Byington Organization: The University of Memphis Subject: Re: carcinogens Comments: To: Ronald W Macdonald MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would really question the person's source on this one and double check it for yourself. If I am not mistaken, Cal's Prop 65 is a series of environmental edicts which are tied in with worker's RTK. If this is the case, it doesn't matter if you work for a state organization or not. I would check with the local representatives of TASCA and EPA to cover any potential legal ramifications concerning this matter (and you will, more than likely) If I were you I would really watch your back on this. Get everything in writing, from the request about changing the CHP to the responses from TASCA and EPA. Again, if it were me I wouldn't touch the CHP at all. You're setting your organization, as well as yourself, for a tremendous amount of liability if you do change it. My opinions only. Bob Teresa Robertson wrote: > > LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu,.internet writes: > >Since you are in California, what about Proposition 65 warnings? Lead > >is on the prop 65 carcinogen and reproductive hazard list (as you > >probably well know). You may need to post Prop 65 warnings anyway in > >the areas that lead is used unless you can show the 1 in ??????? chance > >of exposure or whatever it is (I never remember - I always have to look > >it up) for Prop 65 to not be posted. So you may have to have designated > >areas anyway. > > >Rebecca Levins > >Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist > >RSRrdl@onramp.net > > It was a surprise to me at first, but I've been told that since we are > a State of California building, we are exempt from Prop 65 since we are > not a "business". > > Teresa -- Bob Byington Laboratory Safety Specialist,WebMaster Environmental Health and Safety 210B Old Brister Library The University of Memphis Memphis, TN 38152-6191 (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 rbyingtn@memphis.edu homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:32:45 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Byington Organization: The University of Memphis Subject: NACHO annual meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Early fall would be nice. Just a thought as well, can we try to have an event in the southeast region of the US rather than having everything up north. Gatlinburg, TN is a wonderful place for a getaway type meeting/convention and the prices there are not bad. It's in the Smokey Mountains and is very picturesque. (Hope I didn't sound too much like a Chamber of Commerce commercial, but it is a very nice place!) -- Bob Byington Laboratory Safety Specialist,WebMaster Environmental Health and Safety 210B Old Brister Library The University of Memphis Memphis, TN 38152-6191 (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 rbyingtn@memphis.edu homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:49:02 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Barbara J. Weaver" Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Why don't we just team up with LS&EM which is already open to all kinds of laboratories? BJW > -----Original Message----- > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 1999 8:58 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: NACHO annual meeting > > Hi NACHO's > > If we were to have an annual meeting, what time of year would be > preferred? > ...jim ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:23:08 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Dorothy Farina Subject: CCHO certification Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've included the CCHO certification on my professional development goals for this year. I'd really like to talk with someone who's taken the test (i.e., a current CCHO) about what's involved and if there are any review courses that I should take first. Is there someone who would email me back privately with their phone number, so that I could ask a few questions? Thank you very much. Dorothy Farina Regulatory Activities Coordinator Institute of Paper Science and Technology Atlanta, Georgia ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:00:12 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Celeste M. Sutter" Subject: Re: CCHO certification In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990521141442.00946be0@pop.ipst.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >I've included the CCHO certification on my professional development goals >for this year. I'd really like to talk with someone who's taken the test >(i.e., a current CCHO) about what's involved and if there are any review >courses that I should take first. Is there someone who would email me >back privately with their phone number, so that I could ask a few >questions? Thank you very much. > >Dorothy Farina >Regulatory Activities Coordinator >Institute of Paper Science and Technology >Atlanta, Georgia Please respond to the list, as I am also interested--specifically about review courses or printed reference material. Thanks. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Celeste M. Sutter Safety Officer/Tech. Asst. Hanover College P.O. Box 890 Hanover, IN 47243 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:36:42 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Re: CCHO certification In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:00 PM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >>I've included the CCHO certification on my professional development goals >>for this year. I'd really like to talk with someone who's taken the test >>(i.e., a current CCHO) about what's involved and if there are any review >>courses that I should take first. Is there someone who would email me >>back privately with their phone number, so that I could ask a few >>questions? Thank you very much. >> >>Dorothy Farina >>Regulatory Activities Coordinator >>Institute of Paper Science and Technology >>Atlanta, Georgia > > > >Please respond to the list, as I am also interested--specifically about >review courses or printed reference material. > >Thanks. > > > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Celeste M. Sutter >Safety Officer/Tech. Asst. >Hanover College >P.O. Box 890 >Hanover, IN 47243 >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ditto Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:09:34 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Teresa Robertson Organization: CSU Bakersfield Subject: Re: CCHO certification Comments: cc: trobertson@csubak.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit LABSAFETY-L@siu.edu,.internet writes: >I've included the CCHO certification on my professional development >goals >for this year. I'd really like to talk with someone who's taken the >test >(i.e., a current CCHO) about what's involved and if there are any review >courses that I should take first. >Dorothy Farina >Please respond to the list, as I am also interested--specifically about >review courses or printed reference material. >Thanks. >Celeste M. Sutter >Ditto >Naomi Kelly My personal experience...I took a "preliminary" exam at the San Francisco National ACS meeting, April 1997; a "lucky" experience to be a volunteer in assisting the NRCC in the development of the exam. The following September I went to Las Vegas to take the Kaufman/Wahl/Phifer class "How to be a More Effective Chemical Hygiene Officer", and to take the exam. I HIGHLY recommend the class given by Jim, George, and Russ. Many in the class learned I'd taken the exam in San Francisco, and asked what it was like, and what types of questions there were. I just wasn't any help on any specific recollections, but I did tell those who were very active in the class discussions, that I could tell they were knowledgable enough they should not worry (it was the quiet ones I could not reassure). NRCC provided a long list of reading material. A week before the exam, I frettingly said to my boss, "I only have a week before the exam, and I've read almost none of the suggested reading". Then I realized "Hey, in the course of my work, I study everyday!" Now I don't recommend forgetting about the suggested reading, but you should know if you have extensive experience it's going to help you a lot. I can't put my hand on that NRCC list of suggested reading at the moment, but their Executive Director, Dr. Gilbert Smith, is active on our list. Maybe he can post it when he sees our discussion. Start with the "Lab Standard" and regs. you know to be related (they are on the WWW). Another "MUST" is the book "Prudent Practices in the Laboratory; Handling and Disposal of Chemicals" by the National Research Council. GOOD LUCK! Teresa Robertson, NRCC-CHO ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:42:46 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gian Hofer Subject: Re: carcinogens + Prop 65 reporting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone, While on the topic of carcinogens + Prop 65, is any one ware of reporting limitations under Prop 65? For example if a chemical contains trace ethylene oxide, lets say at 1 ppb, is there still a Prob 65 labeling.warning requirement. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:26:38 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ray Campbell Subject: Re: carcinogens + Prop 65 reporting In-Reply-To: <37458D06.AFF28423@nas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is no requirement. The Ca. Chamber of Commerce prints a great guide to compliance. Call 916-444-6670. Ray Campbell REA CCHO 310-257-1080 At 11:42 AM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >While on the topic of carcinogens + Prop 65, is any one ware of reporting >limitations under Prop 65? > >For example if a chemical contains trace ethylene oxide, lets say at 1 ppb, >is there still a Prob 65 labeling.warning requirement. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:26:53 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: More Experienced Members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs... This message is directed to our more experienced CHO/Lab Safety lurking members. I had a conversation with one the other day. He said that he was reading the messages but was silent in part because he found the conversation aimed more for newer and less experienced members. I'd like to encourage those of you who have been around the block a few times to share some of what you have learned in your journeys. What have been the most painful lessons learned? What has been your most successful achievement? How did it happen? Or, pose a problem you've solved as a case study and see how others would have dealt with it. We need to find an effective way to share what the more experience members have learned. Now it your turn... .... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:47:26 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Katrina Doolittle Subject: Position Opening for Chem Waste Manager Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Las Cruces, New Mexico is a great place to live. ANNOUNCEMENT OF POSITION AVAILABILITY (Position #8608) TITLE: Chemical Safety Manager EFFECTIVE: ASAP SALARY: $29,381 - 44,071 Qualifications: Bachelor's degree in chemistry, chemical engineering or related science. Minimum of three years direct experience in hazardous waste management operations. Thorough knowledge of and experience in chemical safety, RCRA, DOT and related EPA and OSHA regulations required. Current certification for HAZWOPER (29 CFR 1910.120, 40 hour + 8 hour annual refresher as required). Management and supervisory skills and experience in waste management in a higher education setting preferred. Prefer training and/or certification in operation of forklift for hazardous waste activities. Knowledge, Skills, Abilities: Applied knowledge of chemical toxicity and properties and principles of chemical storage, use and disposal. Knowledge in the selection and use of personal protective equipment. Demonstrated ability to use word processing, spread sheet, database and other software to process data and prepare professional documents. Ability to handle waste streams from a diverse university environment. Ability to organize and schedule tasks to solve multi-variable problems, maintain effectiveness and meet deadlines in stressful situations. Communication skills to impart technical knowledge and waste management information to workers of differing backgrounds. Special Requirements: Ability to respond to hazardous materials spills and incidents, pass baseline medical evaluation for hazardous waste site workers, be fit tested to wear an air purifying respirator, self contained breathing apparatus, supplied air and other personal protective equipment. Some evening and weekend work. Responsibilities: Manages NMSU's Hazardous Waste Programs (chemical, radiological and biological) to ensure regulatory compliance and quarterly shipments. Develops/updates hazardous materials storage, disposal, and safety procedures and protocols and advises the university of the same. Responds to and investigates reports of hazardous conditions, submits recommendations or takes action to mitigate risks. Oversees and provides direct guidance for Hazardous Waste Safety Officers including work allocation, training, and problem resolution. Serves as liaison between the university community and appropriate regulatory agencies. Benefits: Group medical and hospital insurance, group life insurance, state educational retirement, worker's compensation, sick and annual leave, and unemployment compensation. DEADLINE FOR APPLICATION: Submit letter of application, resume, transcript, certifications and three references. Evaluations begin May 24, 1999 and continue until position filled. Mail application to University Safety Office, Box 30001/Dept 3578, Las Cruces, NM 88003, Attn: Dr. Katrina Doolittle. New Mexico State University is an EEO/AA Employer. Offer of employment contingent upon verification of individual's eligibility for employment in the United States. Position is contingent upon availability of funding. (Applicable only to non I & G funded positions) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:29:53 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debbie Decker Subject: Re: More Experienced Members In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 06:26 PM 5/21/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hi NACHOs... > >This message is directed to our more experienced CHO/Lab Safety lurking >members. > >I had a conversation with one the other day. He said that he was reading the >messages but was silent in part because he found the conversation aimed more >for newer and less experienced members. > >I'd like to encourage those of you who have been around the block a few times >to share some of what you have learned in your journeys. > >What have been the most painful lessons learned? >What has been your most successful achievement? How did it happen? Just to share an positive tidbit with the group: For those of you who don't know, at UCDavis I'm the Safety Advisor to the Veterinary School (along with a partner - too big a job for one). I got a call the other day from the manager of the Companion Animal Health cat research facility. He was concerned about gas cylinder safety - specifically, where his cylinders properly restrained (not quite - he's going to move the bracket down). And then we spoke about anesthetic gas exposure and I'll be monitoring his work area next week for exposure. He also asked if I could come over to the main hospital and talk with the folks in the CAH lab about gas cylinders? So off we went to the hospital. I thought we were going to have a brief conversation about cylinders. It blossomed into a full-blown lab audit, training session and all-around good contact with the new safety person in the lab. A real success. Luckily, I had the luxury of some time to spend with them, walk them through compatibility issues, chemical handling, ergonomics, all sorts of stuff, storage, haz waste. Once in awhile, you can grab an opportunity to be Really Good and make a positive first impression . Have a great weekend! Cheers, Deb. Debbie M. Decker, Health and Safety Specialist Environmental Health and Safety University of California, Davis 1 Shields Ave. Davis, CA 95616 (530)754-7964 (530)752-1493 dmdecker@ucdavis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 18:16:43 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" Subject: Re: carcinogens + Prop 65 reporting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEA3B7.81D64B00" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEA3B7.81D64B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Gian Hofer [SMTP:raisio@NAS.NET] Hello everyone, While on the topic of carcinogens + Prop 65, is any one ware of = reporting limitations under Prop 65? For example if a chemical contains trace ethylene oxide, lets say at 1 = ppb, is there still a Prob 65 labeling.warning requirement. *************** You get to determine that one. Here below are the requirements. Sorry = for the long post. The end of this may answer another question about the = state building 'exemption'. See below for the statute and then an excerpt of the regulation. Look at: 25249.10 Exemptions from Warning Requirement: Not exactly the level in = the 'product', but a no significant risk and No Observable Effect Level = (NOEL).=20 And: =A725249.11. [Definitions] (b) "Person in the course of doing = business"=20 Chapter 6.6 Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act =A725249.5. [Chemicals causing cancer or reproductive = toxicity-prohibited releases or discharges] No person in the course of doing business shall knowingly discharge or = release a chemical known to the state to cause cancer or reproductive = toxicity into water or onto or into land where such chemical passes or = probably will pass into any source of drinking water, notwithstanding = any other provision or authorization of law except as provided in = Section 25249.9. =A725249.6. [Chemicals causing cancer or reproductive = toxicity-warnings] No person in the course of doing business shall knowingly and = intentionally expose any individual to a chemical known to the state to = cause cancer or reproductive toxicity without first giving clear and = reasonable warning to such individual, except as provided in Section = 25249.10. =A725249.7. [Violations-civil penalties; lawsuits] (a) Any person violating or threatening to violate Section 25249.5 or = Section 25249.6 may be enjoined in any court of competent jurisdiction. (d) Actions pursuant to this section may be brought by any person in = the public interest if (1) the action is commenced more than sixty days = after the person has given notice of the violation which is the subject = of the action to the Attorney General and the district attorney and any = city attorney in whose jurisdiction the violation is alleged to occur = and to the alleged violator, and (2) neither the Attorney General nor = any district attorney nor any city attorney or prosecutor has commenced = and is diligently prosecuting an action against such violation. =A725249.8. [Chemicals causing cancer or reproductive toxicity-lists] (a) On or before March 1, 1987, the Governor shall cause to be = published a list of those chemicals known to the state to cause cancer = or reproductive toxicity within the meaning of this chapter, and he = shall cause such list to be revised and republished in light of = additional knowledge at least once per year thereafter.=20 =A725249.9. [Chemicals causing cancer or reproductive toxicity-release = or discharge exemptions] (a) Section 25249.5 shall not apply to any discharge or release that = takes place less than twenty months subsequent to the listing of the = chemical in question on the list required to be published under = subdivision (a) of Section 25249.8. (b) Section 25249.5 shall not apply to any discharge or release that = meets both of the following criteria:=20 (1) The discharge or release will not cause any significant amount of = the discharged or released chemical to enter any source of drinking = water. (2) The discharge or release is in conformity with all other laws and = with every applicable regulation, permit, requirement, and order.=20 In any action brought to enforce Section 25249.5, the burden of showing = that a discharge or release meets the criteria of this subdivision shall = be on the defendant. =A725249.10. [Chemicals causing cancer or reproductive = toxicity-exposure; notice exemptions] Section 25249.6 shall not apply to any of the following: (a) An exposure for which federal law governs warning in a manner that = pre-empts state authority. (b) an exposure that takes place less than twelve months subsequent to = the listing of the chemical in question on the list required to be = published under subdivision (a) of Section 25249.8. (c) An exposure for which the person responsible can show that the = exposure poses no significant risk assuming lifetime exposure at the = level in question for substances known to the state to cause cancer, and = that the exposure will have no observable effect assuming exposure at = one thousand (1000) times the level in question for substances known to = the state to cause reproductive toxicity, based on evidence and = standards of comparable scientific validity to the evidence and = standards which form the scientific basis for the listing of such = chemical pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 25249.8. In any action = brought to enforce Section 25249.6, the burden of showing that an = exposure meets the criteria of this subdivision shall be on the = defendant. =A725249.11. [Definitions] Definitions. For purposes of this chapter: (a) "Person" means an individual, trust, firm, joint stock company, = corporation, company, partnership, limited liability company, and = association. (b) "Person in the course of doing business" does not include any = person employing fewer than 10 employees in his or her business; any = city, county, or district or any department or agency thereof or the = state or any department or agency thereof or the federal government or = any department or agency thereof; or any entity in its operation of a = public water system as defined in Section 116275. Regulation: Title 8 di1 ch 4 sh7 gr 16 art 109 sect 5194 # 12805. Specific Regulatory Levels: Reproductive Toxicants. (a) Exposure to a chemical at a level which does not exceed the level = set forth in subsection (b) for such chemical has no observable effect = assuming exposure at one thousand (1,000) times that level. =20 Chemical Name Level Micrograms/day=20 Ethylene Oxide 20.0=20 Lead 0.5=20 (c) Unless a specific level is otherwise provided in this section, an = assessment by an agency of the state or federal government that is the = substantial equivalent of the assessment described in subdivision (a) of = Section 12803, and establishes a maximum allowable daily dose level in = the manner provided in paragraph (b)(1) of Section 12801, shall = constitute the allowable daily dose level having no observable effect = within the meaning of Health and Safety Code Section 25249.10(c). Best regards, Rebecca Levins Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:10:17 -0400 Reply-To: Bob Burns Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Burns Subject: Re: More Experienced Members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AS an full time industrial chemist and group leader, and part time CHO, I find the group less and less relevant. When a subject comes up which concerns me, I participate, as some of you know. The academic threads are interesting, and I read them, but don't feel I have a lot to offer. Sometimes I think you people are in a different world! So I guess I'm becoming a lurker. Bob "EVERYTHING IS EASY FOR THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT." Robert L. Burns R&D Group Leader Specialty Chemicals Division RUETGERS Organics Corp. 201 Struble Road State College, PA phone 814 231 9214 fax 814 238 1567 email rburns@bigfoot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: More Experienced Members > Hi NACHOs... > > This message is directed to our more experienced CHO/Lab Safety lurking > members. > > I had a conversation with one the other day. He said that he was reading the > messages but was silent in part because he found the conversation aimed more > for newer and less experienced members. > > I'd like to encourage those of you who have been around the block a few times > to share some of what you have learned in your journeys. > > What have been the most painful lessons learned? > What has been your most successful achievement? How did it happen? > > Or, pose a problem you've solved as a case study and see how others would > have dealt with it. > > We need to find an effective way to share what the more experience members > have learned. Now it your turn... .... Jim > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, Director > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > Safety in Science Education > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com > http://www.labsafety.org/ > > LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making > health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free > copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications > List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on > request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. > > ****************************************************** > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 09:04:48 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Madelyn Miller Subject: Re: CCHO certification In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, I suggest reading over the NFPA 45 on flammables in laboratories. Madelyn ---------------------- Madelyn Miller Chemical Hygiene Officer, CCHO Environmental Health & Safety Carnegie Mellon University mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:34:58 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Shelley" Subject: Reference for perchloric acid test Comments: To: Safety , CHMINF-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1284565996==_ma============" --============_-1284565996==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Colleagues--I have a paper copy of Wolsey, Wayne C., "A Simple Qualitative Detection Test for Perchlorate Contamination in Hoods." The Web version of this document is at: http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/chemical/perchloricacidtest.html#4 Neither the single, xeroxed journal page I have nor the MSU web page above give the full citation for this article. I have a hunch it's the Journal of Chemical Education, maybe from about 1975 or so? Can anyone please give me the exact citation? Thanks. Tom Shelley ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu --============_-1284565996==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Dear Colleagues--I have a paper copy of Wolsey, Wayne C., "A Simple Qualitative Detection Test for Perchlorate Contamination in Hoods." The Web version of this document is at: http://www.orcbs.msu.edu/chemical/perchloricacidtest.html#4 Neither the single, xeroxed journal page I have nor the MSU web page above give the full citation for this article. I have a hunch it's the Journal of Chemical Education, maybe from about 1975 or so? Can anyone please give me the exact citation? Thanks. Tom Shelley ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu --============_-1284565996==_ma============-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:45:04 -0400 Reply-To: "edmiston@bluffton.edu" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Edmiston Organization: Bluffton College Subject: Re: More Experienced Members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am a lurker who has only once (besides now) posted anything on list. I am CHO for sciences at a private 4-yr college with about 1000 students. I have been at the same institution for 21 years. I worked at a national laboratory (Los Alamos) before that. I also serve (now and for the past 12 years) on an environmental safety and emergency planning committee for Allen County, Ohio (which includes Lima, Ohio). This appointment is made by the Allen County Board of Public Health. We have a large refinery and a couple large chemical plants in Lima. The largest of these is BP Chemicals. The point I want to make is that I partly agree with Robert Burns when he says "Sometimes I think you people are in a different world!" I find the following situation: Large industries and national laboratories take safety concerns very seriously and comply with both the letter and the spirit of the law. Academic institutions have historically seemed to think OSHA, EPA, etc. don't pertain to them. Of course this is changing, but it is changing at the larger universities first, and hitting the smaller places last. For 12 years I've met monthly with the chief administrative officer of BP Chemicals in Lima, Ohio. From what I have observed that company is a model of safety and environmental compliance. They sometimes complain about a rule or regulation, but they comply. On the other hand, at my college I've still got people arguing as to whether they (professors) can or cannot work alone in lab, and some of them want me to relax standards and allow independent-study students to work alone in lab. Some want to use highly toxic chemicals without having designated areas, etc. So I have a constant battle with faculty who think OSHA and EPA are ridiculous and we can just ignore them. What I find most helpful about the Labsafety-List is the guidance of the CHO's at the larger universities as they come on-line with the Lab Standard and especially as they publish Hygiene Plans and related information in the Internet. These larger institutions can serve as models for us at the smaller colleges because the large places have the resources to work out good plans. Industry ought to serve as examples for us academics, but we tend to dismiss them. I think that is a major mistake. We have lots to learn from them. But since my colleagues automatically dismiss the safety practices at BP Chemicals as too rigid for Bluffton College, I can at least begin pointing to university policies that I have become aware of primarily through Labsafety-List. Just last week Melissa Burik of Carnegie Mellon informed the list that Carnegie Mellon has an addendum to the CHP for Particularly Hazardous Substances and she informed us of the web-site URL where that can be found. It is wonderful to be able to show someone here that a specific chemical is on the Carnegie Mellon PHS list because that person thinks he can use the stuff on an open bench top here. I need that kind of ammunition. When that professor tells the Academic Dean that I am overly cautious and "everybody uses this stuff as if it were no more toxic than sugar," I can bring out the Carnegie Mellon (and others) plans and prove he is not telling the truth. Thanks. So my wisdom after 21 years at a small college and 12 years working with a large local chemical industry is three messages directed to three different groups of people. To the small college people. Safety standards do apply to us, both because of common sense, and also because of the law. But we have an extremely tough challenge because many of our colleagues are going to be hard to convert. To the larger universities. Keep telling us about your policies, and keep posting things on the Internet. This is extremely helpful. To industry people. Don't give up on us. We should not be in a different world. We ought to be sending you graduates who feel at home with your safety standards. Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D. Phone/voice-mail: 419-358-3270 Professor of Chemistry & Physics FAX: 419-358-3323 Chairman, Science Department E-Mail edmiston@bluffton.edu Bluffton College 280 West College Avenue Bluffton, OH 45817 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 11:40:15 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: More Experienced Members Comments: To: rburns@bigfoot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi NACHOs. Bob Burns isn't the only one who feels we are in a different world!! My nearly eight years as CHO here at UNE has been a roller coaster ride of compliance. As Michael Edmiston so eloquently stated, we need input from industry and larger universities to help us fight the good fight. I, like Bob, come from an industrial analytical chem lab. When the lab standard went into effect, we jumped on the compliance band wagon. I did nothing but inventories and audits for the whole summer to get our labs up to snuff. We had money and support from management. It became my job to make sure we were in compliance. It was not a side job or an overload contract. It was my job. I can not understand, even eight years later, why it is so different here in academia. I just know what I am doing is the right thing and hope that my efforts help prepare our students for the real world some day. Bob ended with: "So I guess I'm becoming a lurker." As one who has participated in spirited debate with you in the past, please don't !" We have so much we need to learn from industry and industry has so much to offer all of us who wrestle with academia everyday. For what its worth, Janeen. :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:05:38 -0700 Reply-To: Marc Neuffer Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Marc Neuffer Organization: SafetyInfo.Com Subject: Safety Stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! Haven't posted to the group for a few weeks but enjoy all the posts fro others... quite an education. FYI have put a bunch of new free material on our site in last 2 weeks: http://www.safetyinfo.com The words in [ ] are the section titles on our index page. Hope you can use some of this. [Safety Factors] Bloodborne Pathogens & Oxy-Gas Welding Safety [Written Safety Programs] 3 New Programs: Crane & Hoist Safety, Fire Safety , General Safety Policies [Safety Forms] Crane Operator License, Crane Hand Signal Chart, Crane Operator Qualifiaction Checklist [Weekly Safety Poster] Summer Safety [Weekly Safety Brief] Carbon Monoxide Safety [Safety Article] "Preventing Ladder Accidents on the Job" by Barrett C. Miller, MEd, OSHT his site is http://www.safety-engineer.com Other safety articles are posted on Barrett's site. Regards Marc Neuffer Safety Info.Com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:28:42 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Walters.Douglas" Subject: Technical writing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Dear Colleagues, The May/June 1999 issue of Chemical Health and Safety (CH&S, pp10-12) has an article entitled, "What your grammar checker won't tell you: Sally Ann Drucker on technical writing." Dr. Drucker and I are planning a follow-up article addressing our needs in technical writing-- the things we've never asked our English teacher! This is your chance! Do you have questions about aspects of writing that you'd like answered in CH&S (e.g., comma usage, ideas for avoiding wordiness, etc.)? Or perhaps you have some pet peeves about other people's writing or about English usage and style, we'd like to hear from you too! We can't promise to answer every question or address every issue in CH&S, but your responses will indicate the areas of greatest concern. Send your questions to: Doug Walters walters@niehs.nih.gov or you can contact me anonymously at: Douglas B. Walters, Ph.D., CSP, CCHO Head, Laboratory Health and Safety National Toxicology Program National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences PO Box 12233 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709 919.541.3355 (voice) 919.541.3687 (FAX) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:40:17 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Norman Duffy Subject: CHSO at small universities Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am new to the list and apologize in advance if this is a question which has been discussed recently. If it has, a summary note and a gentle correction to me individually will suffice. If not, and it is of general interest, please respond to the list. I taught and was Coordinator of General Chemistry at a large (20,000 students) university for 30 years and now am Chair of Chemistry and Biology at Wheeling Jesuit. At the larger university, we had a Chemical Hygiene Safety Officer and well-established procedures. We are a small university (about 1000 day students, 4.0 FTE chemistry faculty) with a Laboratory Safety Committee and a Chemical Hygiene Safety Plan. Our administration has asked us to survey other departments of similar size to determine: 1. Who (chemistry, biology faculty member/chair/assistant dean/laboratory coordinator) is the Chemical Hygiene Safety Officer and how is he/she placed in the administrative structure of the univeristy? 2. To whom does he/she report? 3. If this person is a faculty member, does he/she receive an additional stipend and/or a reduction in teaching load (if so, how much?) 4. What happens during the summer if this person is a faculty member? If you send the reply directly to me, note if you would like a summary of the replies. (Deadline 6/1/99) Thanks for your help. Norman V. Duffy Dr. Norman V. Duffy Chair, Chemistry and Biology Wheeling Jesuit University 316 Washington Ave. Wheeling WV 26003 (304) 243-4430 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:26:01 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "David C. Finster" Organization: Wittenberg University Subject: Re: CHSO at small universities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Norman, I'll answer from my experience. Wittenberg has about 200 students; about 5 FTE in chemistry. Norman Duffy wrote: > 1. Who (chemistry, biology faculty member/chair/assistant dean/laboratory > coordinator) is the Chemical Hygiene Safety Officer and how is he/she placed > in the administrative structure of the univeristy? I am the CHO for the University. I am the chair of chemistry; professor of chemistry. Not sure how to answer the second part of this. The CHO is somewhat an administrative afterthought, once we knew we required to have one by OSHA. I doubt that I'm on any organizational chart! > 2. To whom does he/she report? I report to the Provost. But I work more directly with the Director of Plant, Safety and Environment. I get money from the latter; thus this is obviously an administrative task/position that draws money from the physical plant side of the campus. > 3. If this person is a faculty member, does he/she receive an additional > stipend and/or a reduction in teaching load (if so, how much?) No load reduction; no stipend. I have forsaken all other committee work on campus, though. Not a fair trade (just like the teaching load reduction is not a fair trade for being chair...) but I was reluctant to ask for more teaching reduction. I may have to do that sometime (since I'm now not doing the CHO job adequately...) but if I do that, then, as chair, I have to turn around and figure out how to fill in the FTE gap that I create! > 4. What happens during the summer if this person is a faculty member? I have, twice, asked for an additional stipend during the summer ( = $2000, somewhat arbitrary) and received it. Thus summer I'm mostly not going to be here, but would "respond" for an emergency. > If you send the reply directly to me, note if you would like a summary of the > replies. (Deadline 6/1/99) I'd suggest posting a summary on the listserve since some other folks may be interested in what you gather. Dave -- David C. Finster Professor and Chair of Chemistry University Chemical Hygiene Officer Wittenberg University 937-327-6441; dfinster@wittenberg.edu http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dfinster/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 13:47:14 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "John M. Neil" Subject: how to advance safety in academia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Several thoughts on how to advance safety in academia: Industrial recruiting should stress how much more desirable prospective employees are who know and follow current prudent practices in the lab. It is both expensive and time consuming to have to correct bad habits learned by undergraduates whose professors couldn't be inconvenienced by safety reg's. Try an get your admin to include a review for required safety items and a line item in the budget for safety expenses in grant proposals -- if nothing else it eleminates the excuse "I didn't know I had to and didn't budget money for it." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 16:15:32 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Re: how to advance safety in academia In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990524134714.0097fbb0@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Absolutely! That's one of the hooks I used for my lab safety class. I received lots of useful support from recruiters who said just that. JNR > Industrial recruiting should stress how much more desirable >prospective >employees are who know and follow current prudent practices in the lab. It >is both expensive and time consuming to have to correct bad habits learned >by undergraduates whose professors couldn't be inconvenienced by safety reg's. Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:07:50 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Yanchisin Subject: An intriguing situation ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings!! Looking to see if anyone has any idea what might have caused the following interesting and intriguing situation. We have a lab that is in the process of being renovated. The hood in the lab has not been used for years. When the fume hood was dismantled, the piping from the cup sink in the hood was dissolved. It has now been removed and replaced. It is the fact that this drain line has deteriorated so is rather disturbing. The drain line was lead or a lead composite. It has been degraded from the inside out. There is a 1/4 to 1/2 inch layer of a whitish cement like material coating the interior of the pipe. The substance has eaten through the lead throughout the length of the drain, but primarily at the "bottom" edge of the run. The building this is in is our Medical Sciences building, where we do not have the history of nasty chemicals being used. The piping is original and has been in place since the early 60's. We think labs in the area may have used nitric acid and osmium years ago. Soaking the cement chunks in water for a few minutes gave us a neutral pH. I will get a sample of this analyzed here on campus to see if we can figure it out. I will post our results when I get them!! Any of your thoughts are welcome!! Thanks in advance for any hints or ideas! Mark Yanchisin Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety Programs University of Florida Env. Health and Safety PO Box 112190 Gainesville, FL 32611-2190 352-846-2550 (T) 352-392-7386 (F) Mark@ehs.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 14:21:35 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Spare Subject: Re: how to advance safety in academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re safety training at universities; When I was a 1st Grad student at Univ. of So. Calif. in 1979, safety training consisted of a 2 hr pep-talk given by someone from the "safety dept." about which I remembered little the week after. We recently hired two new graduates from UCLA. I was pleasantly surprised to find that UCLA provides a one quarter, one hr/wk. course on safety. This would indicate to me that large universities at least, are putting some serious time and effort into safety training these days. Nick Spare Pilot Chemical Co. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Neil To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Date: Monday, May 24, 1999 1:44 PM Subject: how to advance safety in academia > Several thoughts on how to advance safety in academia: > > Industrial recruiting should stress how much more desirable prospective >employees are who know and follow current prudent practices in the lab. It >is both expensive and time consuming to have to correct bad habits learned >by undergraduates whose professors couldn't be inconvenienced by safety reg's. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 17:08:12 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" Subject: Re: An intriguing situation ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEA608.3A1A3DA0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEA608.3A1A3DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our lab sometimes uses nitric acid to dissolve lead. It produces a = soluble lead nitrate that is a white powder (solubility of 400g/L cold = water). Sulfuric acid also will dissolve lead (not as easily) and will = produce an insoluble lead sulfate white powder (solubility of 0.028g/L = cold water, it is soluble in ammonia)=20 Lead & nitric acid, lead nitrate soluble in water, white powder, 400g/L = in cold water Lead & hot concentrated sulfuric acid, lead sulfate, white powder, 0.028 = g/L cold water, soluble in ammonia A few other things that dissolve lead: sodium hydroxide, lead hydroxide is more soluble at higher pH Fluosilicic acid Fluoboric acid If nitric acid was being used, it could dissolve the lead pipe. I would = think most of the lead nitrate would be flushed down with the water. If = someone poured nitric acid down the drain during its last use and it was = not flushed with water, you might have the situation you describe. Can = you test for nitrates? Did the chunks of 'cement' dissolve in the water = okay? Best regards, Rebecca Levins Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 -----Original Message----- From: Mark Yanchisin [SMTP:mark@EHS.UFL.EDU] Subject: An intriguing situation ... The drain line was lead or a lead composite. It has been degraded from = the inside out. There is a 1/4 to 1/2 inch layer of a whitish cement like material coating the interior of the pipe. The substance has eaten = through the lead throughout the length of the drain, but primarily at the = "bottom" edge of the run. The building this is in is our Medical Sciences building, where we do = not have the history of nasty chemicals being used. The piping is original = and has been in place since the early 60's. We think labs in the area may have used nitric acid and osmium years = ago. Soaking the cement chunks in water for a few minutes gave us a neutral = pH. I will get a sample of this analyzed here on campus to see if we can = figure it out. I will post our results when I get them!! Any of your thoughts = are welcome!! Thanks in advance for any hints or ideas! Mark Yanchisin Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety Programs University of Florida Env. Health and Safety PO Box 112190 Gainesville, FL 32611-2190 352-846-2550 (T) 352-392-7386 (F) Mark@ehs.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:14:45 +1200 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nigel McCarter Subject: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any comments? Shortly after starting work one morning, a NIWA laboratory technician began to feel nauseous and dizzy. He left the laboratory and rapidly recovered. When he re-entered the laboratory, the symptoms rapidly returned. It appears that a chilli-bin of dry ice had been left in the laboratory overnight. It is possible, though not certain, that sufficient CO2 had sublimated to reduce the overall oxygen concentration in the lab to an extent where technician began to present symptoms of oxygen deprivation. Unfortunately no measurements were taken at the time, though the problem disappeared with ventilation Any body else come across similar accidents with dry ice? Nigel Nigel McCarter Safety Management and Information Services Ltd Box 23 019 Hamilton New Zealand Phone (64) 7 858 2429 Fax (64) 7 858 2689 Mobile 021 212 4901 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 20:25:49 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: Haz Mat Transportation Training Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" NACHOs - Forgive me if y'all already knew about this, but I missed it if it's been brought up before, and anyway with the steady influx of new members, it deserves plenty of air time. (ether time?) At http://hazmat.dot.gov/mod.htm there are training modules which are desinged to satisfy the General Awareness Training as prescribed by Title 49 CFR, Part 172, Subpart H, for employees working in shipping/receiving/material handling areas or who may be involved in preparing or transporting hazardous materials. There are Instructor manuals, Student Manuals, and overheads for 7 modules: Haz Mat Table Shipping Papers Packaging Marking/Labeling Placarding Carrier Requirements (Highway) Carrier Requirements (Air) I have not studied any of them thoroughly. Anyone out there have comments? Thanks, Linda ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 21:09:30 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: chemical transporters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Large university chemical hygiene people - Please send me (privately is probably best) the names of chemical packagers/transporters you or your charges have used to ship anything/everything over land and/or water, by road, rail, and/or air. We are facing this question increasingly -- an entire research group (tenured professor been here for 5 - 18 years, plus 11 current grad students/postdocs) decides to go to Scripps, or Tubingen, or wherever.... and they have 2,200 containers of chemicals. Suppose that said research group decides to ship all 2200 containers (because the moving costs will be covered by the destination institution, but the replacement costs would NOT -- I am not making this up, it's a true scenario), even the nine containers of half-hydrated P2O5, even the three bottles of benzaldehyde with solid benzoic acid all over the bottom.... Which companies can be relied upon best to do the job from start to finish? THANK YOU, Linda ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:43:05 +1200 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Gould Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990525121445.0079aa90@pop.clear.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:14 PM +1200 on 25/5/99, Nigel McCarter wrote: > Any comments? > > Shortly after starting work one morning, a NIWA laboratory technician began > to feel nauseous and dizzy. He left the laboratory and rapidly recovered. > When he re-entered the laboratory, the symptoms rapidly returned. > > It appears that a chilli-bin of dry ice had been left in the laboratory > overnight. It is possible, though not certain, that sufficient CO2 had > sublimated to reduce the overall oxygen concentration in the lab to an > extent where technician began to present symptoms of oxygen deprivation. > > Unfortunately no measurements were taken at the time, though the problem > disappeared with ventilation > > Any body else come across similar accidents with dry ice? We found ourselves in a similiar situation using a critical point dryer. We use liquid carbon dioxide for its critical point in drying tissue for electron microscopy. A colleauge left the machine running for a couple of hours while he attended an experiment somewhere else in the building. He thought he had closed the IN valve for the liquid carbon dioxide and the exhaust valve (OUT) was jammed open enough for CO2 to leak into the room. The machine was in a closed working area. He returned and noticed an unusual smell. Fortunately he decided to seek assistance and we discovered that the OUT vave was open. In that short period of time we both noticed that we were both yawning and we rather tired. Removing ourselves out the room and leaving the doors open we sprinted outside for fresh air. We both rapidly recovered. It was a well learned lesson for us and we always stress to others using the facility to be wary using gases. We use other gases such as liquid nitrogen, dry nitrogen, helium and liquid carbon dioxide. We were lucky this day that no-one else was present in the lab. Mark Gould ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 06:37:26 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Opportunities for Lab Safety Training MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Opportunities for Lab Safety Training.... Here's a listing of upcoming lab safety training opportunities. Please let us know about others so that we may add them to this listing and to the one at our web site. .... Jim June 5 Toronto, Canada ACGIH/AIHA One-Day Seminar on Effective Presentations June 12 Saint Louis, MO, Am. Inst. of Conservation, Presentation on Health and Safety June 24-25 Portland, OR NW Regional ACS Meeting Two-Day Short Course at Reed College Potsdam, NY NE Regional ACS Meeting One-Day lab safety seminar Summer '99 24-Hour Lab Safety Short Courses Minneapolis, MN June 16-19 San Marcos, TX June 23-26 Reno, NV July 7-10 Boston, MA July 14-17 Charleston, SC Aug 3-6 Seattle, WA Aug 16-19 July 24 Colorado Springs, CO NAOSMM National Meeting, One-Day Seminar July 29 Philadelphia, PA LS&EM '99 1-Day Lab Safety Seminar July 30 Philadelphia, PA LS&EM '99 1-Day CHO Seminar August 3 Fairfield, CT ChemEd '99 Enlightening Evening of Lab Safety August 20 New Orleans, LA ACS National Meeting One-Day Lab Safety Seminar August 21 New Orleans, LA ACS National Meeting One-Day CHO Seminar August 22 New Orleans, LA ACS National Meeting Enlightening Afternoon of Lab Safety September Galveston, TX Gulf Coast Conference October 8 Houston, TX MATS Conference 1-Day Seminar October 17 Knoxville, TN SE Regional ACS Meeting 1-Day Lab Safety Seminar Fall 1999 NSTA Regional Meetings Detroit, MI Tulsa, OK Reno, NV Please contact LSW or visit our website for a complete listing of events. ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:39:16 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Re: neutralizing traps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 99-05-20 16:27:26 EDT, you write: << We are building a new facility that will have a fumehood in a pharmacy. >The Mechanical engineers want to install an acid neutralizing trap (calcium >chips maybe?) below the sink cup. Has anyone had experience with these? Are >they necessary? >> Hi NACHOs, In the past, these traps may have been a good idea. Today, there is so little acid going down the drain that the chips become rapidly fouled and must be replaced (the acid actually cleaned the chips according to an engineering firm that installed them). So now, they appear to do relatively little except add cost and waste time. Bottom line.... if you don't pour acids now the drain, why do you need them. If you do pour acids down the drain, you need a neutralizing system and not chips. ... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:57:34 -0500 Reply-To: khmorgan@UDel.Edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Kelly Morgan Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I experienced a similiar situation when 10-12 boxes with dry ice came in over the weekend and were placed in a walk in refrigerator. The dry ice began to melt and displaced a good quantity of the air in the area. Nigel McCarter wrote: > Any comments? > > Shortly after starting work one morning, a NIWA laboratory technician began > to feel nauseous and dizzy. He left the laboratory and rapidly recovered. > When he re-entered the laboratory, the symptoms rapidly returned. > > It appears that a chilli-bin of dry ice had been left in the laboratory > overnight. It is possible, though not certain, that sufficient CO2 had > sublimated to reduce the overall oxygen concentration in the lab to an > extent where technician began to present symptoms of oxygen deprivation. > > Unfortunately no measurements were taken at the time, though the problem > disappeared with ventilation > > Any body else come across similar accidents with dry ice? > > Nigel > Nigel McCarter > Safety Management and Information Services Ltd > Box 23 019 Hamilton New Zealand > Phone (64) 7 858 2429 Fax (64) 7 858 2689 > Mobile 021 212 4901 --------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="khmorgan.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kelly Morgan Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="khmorgan.vcf" begin:vcard n:Morgan;Kelly tel;fax:302-831-1528 tel;work:302-831-3123 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:University of Delaware;Occupational Health and Safety version:2.1 email;internet:KHMORGAN@UDEL>EDU title:Chemical Hygiene Officer adr;quoted-printable:;;222 S Chapel Street=0D=0A132 General Services Building=0D=0A;Newark;DE;19716; end:vcard --------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:04:24 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nicholas Stansell Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector Subject: Uniform Fire Code MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the UFC? Preferably on the internet. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:19:15 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nick Pinizzotto Subject: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19990525121445.0079aa90@pop.clear.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several years ago we had an incident where a lab tech felt dizzy in a walk-in box and almost passed out. Upon investigation, we discovered that someone had recieved a package containing dry ice the prior day and placed it into the cold box with intentions of dealing with it the next day. It went unattended for sometime and displaced the oxygen in the cold room. We never took any measurements. Be a good experiment for someone to conduct sometime! Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:26:59 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gilbert Smith Subject: Re: CCHO certification MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In a message dated 5/21/99 4:11:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU writes: > I can't put my hand on that NRCC list of suggested reading at the > moment, but their Executive Director, Dr. Gilbert Smith, is active on > our list. Maybe he can post it when he sees our discussion. Start > with the "Lab Standard" and regs. you know to be related (they are on > the WWW). Another "MUST" is the book "Prudent Practices in the > Laboratory; Handling and Disposal of Chemicals" by the National > Research Council. For Your Information: A PARTIAL REFERENCE STUDY GUIDE for use in preparing for CHEMICAL HYGIENE OFFICER EXAM ------------------------------------------------------------ This list is only a guide to what is available. It should not be interpreted as listing the only publications for study purposes. The direction of individual study should be conditioned by one's own experience and knowledge. Some questions will be based on practical experience rather than the texts of publications. The most recent edition of each reference is recommended which may be later that the edition listed. ------------------------------------------------------------ CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety, Third Edition, Keith Furr, Editor, CRC Press, Inc., Boca Raton, FL, 1990. Developing a Chemical Hygiene Plan by Jay A. Young, Warren K. Kingsley, and George H. Wahl, Jr.; American Chemical Society, Washington, D.C., 1990. Environmental & Occupational Medicine, Second Edition, William N. Rom, M.D., M.P.H., Editor, Little Brown, Boston, MA, 1992 Fundamentals of Industrial Hygiene, 4th revised edition, Edited by Barbara Plog, National Safety Council, 1995. Improving Safety in the Chemical Laboratory: A Practical Guide, Second Edition, edited by Jay A. Young; John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1991. National Toxicology Program Annual Plan for Fiscal Year 1995, (and later years) U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Washington, D.C., 1995. Prudent Practices in the Laboratory: Handling and Disposal of Chemicals; National Research Council; National Academy Press, Washington, D.C., 1995. Laboratory Fume Hoods: A User's Manual, by G. Thomas Saunders, Wiley-Interscience, New York, 1993. Threshold Limit Values for Chemical Substances and Physical and Biological Exposure Indices, ACGIH Worldwide, (American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists) Cincinnati, OH 1996. over 29 CFR 1910.1450 Occupational Exposures to Hazardous Chemicals in Laboratories, January 31, 1990. 29 CFR 1910.120 Hazardous Waste Operations and Emergency Response (HAZWOPER), March 6, 1989. 29 CFR 1910, 1915, 1917, 1918, 1926, 1928 OSHA Communication Standard. 29 CFR 1910.1020 Access to Employee Exposure and Medical Records, September 29, 1988. 29 CFR 1910.146 Permit-required Confined Space, January, 1993. 29 CFR 1910.147 Control of Hazardous Energy (Lock out/Tag out). 29 CFR 1910.100l Asbestos-Communication of Hazards to Employees: Employee Information and Training. 29 CFR 1910.1030 Occupational Exposure to Bloodborne Pathogens, December 6, 1991. 29 CFR 1910.1096 Ionizing Radiation 29 CFR 1910.119 Process Safety Management of Highly Hazardous Chemicals, February 26, 1992 29 CFR 1910 Personal Protective Equipment, April 6, 1994. 1919.132 General Requirements. 1910.133 Eye and Face Protection. 1910.134 Respiratory Protection. 1910.135 Head Protection. 1910.136 Foot Protection. 1910.138 Hand Protection. Also see http://access.gpo.gov For further information see: National Registry in Clinical Chemistry ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:30:29 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jerry Haag Subject: Re: Uniform Fire Code MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Nicholas, you will not find the text of the UFC on the internet. It is a copyrighted publication whose costs of development are paid for by sales of the book. Contact the ICBO Order Department at 800-284-4406. Jerry Haag SafeBridge Consultants, Inc. Mountain View, CA > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicholas Stansell [SMTP:r5284c@EMAIL.SPS.MOT.COM] > Sent: May 25, 1999 6:04 AM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Uniform Fire Code > > Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the UFC? Preferably on > the internet. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:06:31 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "John M. Neil" Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I heard of a case of that happening in an auto with people bring samples packed in dry to the lab from the field. It was in the winter, and they had the car heater on and the windows closed. After a four hour drive, they were abit woozy. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:51:14 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debbie Decker Subject: Re: Uniform Fire Code In-Reply-To: <374A9FD7.A75F02EF@email.sps.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:04 AM 5/25/99 -0600, you wrote: >Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the UFC? Preferably on the internet. Published by a private firm so they aren't available in the Public Domain. Besides, they aren't available on CD . The Uniform Building Code is on CD and it's okay to use - not great but not terrible, either. Some of the UFC is incorporated into the UBC but don't ask me which parts - I'm not _that_ familiar with it all . Published by International Fire Code Institute, 5360 Workman Mill Road, Whittier, CA 90601 Copyright held by International Conference of Building Officials (same address as above). (562)699-0124 http://www.icbo.com/ I think the 2-volume set of the 1997 UFC cost me about $200 US (it's been awhile) Hope this helps, Deb. Debbie M. Decker, Health and Safety Specialist Environmental Health and Safety University of California, Davis 1 Shields Ave. Davis, CA 95616 (530)754-7964 (530)752-1493 dmdecker@ucdavis.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:43:18 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mike hinz Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This is why Dry Ice is a "forbidden article" by IATA for transport in aircraft unless in a cargo hold sealed off from the cabin and passenger compartment. I have had to argue with faculty who wanted to carry dry ice on board with them. They seem to get the point when I ask if they feel it is worth the jail time. Mike Hinz Chemistry Dept. Washington State University At 09:06 AM 5/25/99 -0700, you wrote: > I heard of a case of that happening in an auto with people bring samples >packed in dry to the lab from the field. It was in the winter, and they >had the car heater on and the windows closed. After a four hour drive, >they were abit woozy. > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:57:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Paula Ortiz Subject: Re: CHSO at small universities In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.16.19990524131814.2b9f0832@wju.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Norman, We are a small institution as well. My responses follow your questions. At 01:40 PM 5/24/99 -0500, you wrote: >I am new to the list and apologize in advance if this is a question which >has been discussed recently. If it has, a summary note and a gentle >correction to me individually will suffice. If not, and it is of general >interest, please respond to the list. > >I taught and was Coordinator of General Chemistry at a large (20,000 >students) university for 30 years and now am Chair of Chemistry and Biology >at Wheeling Jesuit. At the larger university, we had a Chemical Hygiene >Safety Officer and well-established procedures. > >We are a small university (about 1000 day students, 4.0 FTE chemistry >faculty) with a Laboratory Safety Committee and a Chemical Hygiene Safety >Plan. Our administration has asked us to survey other departments of >similar size to determine: > >1. Who (chemistry, biology faculty member/chair/assistant dean/laboratory >coordinator) is the Chemical Hygiene Safety Officer and how is he/she >placed in the administrative structure of the univeristy? I am the Chemical Hygiene Officer for our facility. Our structure is as follows: President, Vice President/Safety Committe Chair, Dean of Arts & Sciences, Chemical Hygiene Officer. >2. To whom does he/she report? Technically, I report to the Dean BUT since my position incorporates the entire facility...I report things to the Vice President and the Safety Coordinator. >3. If this person is a faculty member, does he/she receive an additional >stipend and/or a reduction in teaching load (if so, how much?) I am in my own special little category here. I am considered faculty and professional staff. I was given a stipend for this additional responsibility. > >4. What happens during the summer if this person is a faculty member? > I am on a nine month contract but work 3 days a week during the summer in order to be able to dedicate as much time to Safety as I need to. Hope this helps! Paula Ortiz, MEd, CCHO, CPT Science Laboratory Coordinator Chemical Hygiene Officer Washington State Community College 710 Colegate Dr. Marietta, Ohio 45750 740.374.8716 >If you send the reply directly to me, note if you would like a summary of >the replies. (Deadline 6/1/99) > >Thanks for your help. > >Norman V. Duffy > > >Dr. Norman V. Duffy >Chair, Chemistry and Biology >Wheeling Jesuit University >316 Washington Ave. >Wheeling WV 26003 >(304) 243-4430 > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:13:48 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Paula Ortiz Subject: Re: how to advance safety in academia In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990524134714.0097fbb0@blue.ucdavis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The folks at our institution believe that Safety is a MUST! So...I just completed a new course syllabus for Laboratoy Safety. I will begin teaching this 2 hour a week course Fall quarter. We believe that it is imperative for our students to know how to be prudent people. This course is also going to be offered to local science educators as a possible continuing education course. Paula Paula Ortiz, MEd, CCHO, CPT Science Laboratory Coordinator Chemical Hygiene Officer Washington State Community College 710 Colegate Dr. Marietta, Ohio 45750 740.374.8716 At 01:47 PM 5/24/99 -0700, you wrote: > Several thoughts on how to advance safety in academia: > > Industrial recruiting should stress how much more desirable prospective >employees are who know and follow current prudent practices in the lab. It >is both expensive and time consuming to have to correct bad habits learned >by undergraduates whose professors couldn't be inconvenienced by safety reg's. > > Try an get your admin to include a review for required safety items and a >line item in the budget for safety expenses in grant proposals -- if >nothing else it eleminates the excuse "I didn't know I had to and didn't >budget money for it." > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:38:26 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Denise Bender Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We had a similar incident just recently. Here is a summary: We had a similar event involving dry ice - An employee recently entered a cold room In a very short period of time, he began to feel lightheaded, dizzy, and short of breath. He immediately left the cold room in an effort to clear his head and get some fresh air. It took several minutes for his breathing to return to normal. The cause of the employee's symptoms was determined to be caused by either 1) an excess of CO2 or, a 2) lack of oxygen (O2) in the cold room. (either could cause the symptoms) Lab personnel used several small, open top carts to store frozen materials that were removed from a malfunctioning freezer. The frozen materials were packed in dry ice to keep them frozen. The samples were moved into a refrigerated cold room as the employees reasoned this would help keep the samples cold. The refrigerated cold room air is re-circulated (no fresh air is introduced). The likely result is that the CO2 concentration is increasing and the O2 concentration is decreasing. Please be aware that even moderate amounts of dry ice can become a hazard when allowed to evaporate into a closed space. Further investigation has revealed that several employees have had similar experiences - however, they were unsure of the cause. Preventive action: Dry Ice is prohibited from all Cold Rooms. Denise Bender Immunex Corporation Sr. IH bender@immunex.com (206)587-0430 x2520 Nick Pinizzotto on 05/25/99 07:19:15 AM Please respond to LABSAFETY-L Discussion List To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU cc: (bcc: Denise E Bender/BusinessOperations/Immunex) Subject: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation Several years ago we had an incident where a lab tech felt dizzy in a walk-in box and almost passed out. Upon investigation, we discovered that someone had recieved a package containing dry ice the prior day and placed it into the cold box with intentions of dealing with it the next day. It went unattended for sometime and displaced the oxygen in the cold room. We never took any measurements. Be a good experiment for someone to conduct sometime! Nick Pinizzotto Environmental Health Officer Dept. Environmental Health & Safety Thomas Jefferson University nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu 215-503-5853 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:05:30 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jennifer Minogue Organization: Environmental Health and Safety Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I read with some concern the message that said that carbon dioxide was "forbidden" by IATA unless sealed and in the cargo hold. If you look in Section 2.3.5.5 of the IATA air regs for dangerous goods, you will see an allowance for 2 kg of dry ice as carry on baggage as long as it is not refrigerating dangerous goods. This allows you to bring back your frozen arctic char from your fishing camp. I didn't check all the airline exemptions from the exemptions, but I don't recall that there is any airline that doesn't allow the dry ice in the passenger compartment. Jennifer E. Minogue, B.S., M.S.P.H. Hazardous Materials Safety Officer Environmental Health and Safety University of Guelph Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 Canada 519-824-4120 X3190 Fax 519-824-0364 e-Mail jennifer@ehs.uoguelph.ca ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:52:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: AIHCE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There was a brief exchange of who would be attending the AIHCE in Toronto next month, but was a time (breakfast, lunch, etc.) discussed or set for meeting? Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:09:29 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Davis, Scott" Subject: Re: AIHCE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I made a list of NACHOs going to the AIHCE and their e-mail addresses. There are nine of us. Not knowing the town, I am not able to suggest a location. Ideas anyone? sd > -----Original Message----- > From: Naomi Kelly [SMTP:nkelly@CLEMSON.EDU] > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 2:53 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: AIHCE > > There was a brief exchange of who would be attending the AIHCE in Toronto > next month, but was a time (breakfast, lunch, etc.) discussed or set for > meeting? > > > > > > Naomi Kelly > Environmental Health and Safety Officer > Clemson University > 261 P&AS Building > Clemson, SC 29634-5740 > (864)656-7554 > Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:43:06 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: neutralizing traps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Bottom line.... if you don't pour acids now the drain, why do you need them. >If you do pour acids down the drain, you need a neutralizing system and not >chips. ... Jim Stick to not pouring acids down the drain, unless you have an excess of maintenance personnel who are just itching for a high maintenance operation. We had a neutralizing system to which all lab sinks drained in a new chemistry wing, at the insistence of the architects. (It measures pH and automatically adds either concentrated sulfuric acid or liquid caustic (50 % NaOH) as needed to a series of tanks to achieve a "neutral" discharge.) We quickly learned that the pH sensors were readily fouled (perhaps by whatever fouls those chips?), prompting the system to precisely pump its entire reservoir of acid or caustic into the waste line. We also learned that refilling the acid and caustic reservoirs ( a drum's worth at a time) just wasn't worth the splash risks to the operators. The system is now permanently in the "bypass" mode. We prohibit drain disposal of acids, test the discharge line routinely to keep the chemists on their toes (pH of 6.5 to 7.0, typical), and live happily ever after. Don ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:24:42 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: A Concern about Regulatory Agencies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs, Last week, a list reader shared a concern with me about posting problems on the list. The concern was whether any regulatory agency (OSHA/EPA) might be reading and have that lead to a regulatory visit. I do not believe that regulatory actions will result from colleagues sharing their problems and solutions with each other. However, I am happy to post anonymously almost any issue that readers may be reluctant to post personally. Regards, ... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com http://www.labsafety.org/ LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:41:23 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Petuch, Brian R." Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 24 May 1999 to 25 May 1999 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Regarding dry ice and LN2, We have recognized this problem and require O2 monitors in areas where large quantities of dry ice or LN2 are handled. In the dry ice case mentioned, the large quantity plus the acute symptoms of the employee should be enough reason to act. Forget the studies, install a fixed monitor. > ---------- > From: Automatic digest processor[SMTP:LISTSERV@siu.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 1:00 AM > To: Recipients of LABSAFETY-L digests > Subject: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 24 May 1999 to 25 May 1999 > > There are 17 messages totalling 758 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Opportunities for Lab Safety Training > 2. neutralizing traps (2) > 3. Dry ice and oxygen deprivation (6) > 4. Uniform Fire Code (3) > 5. CCHO certification > 6. CHSO at small universities > 7. how to advance safety in academia > 8. AIHCE (2) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 06:37:26 EDT > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM > Subject: Opportunities for Lab Safety Training > > Opportunities for Lab Safety Training.... > > Here's a listing of upcoming lab safety training opportunities. > Please let us know about others so that we may add them to > this listing and to the one at our web site. .... Jim > > June 5 Toronto, Canada ACGIH/AIHA > One-Day Seminar on Effective > Presentations > June 12 Saint Louis, MO, Am. Inst. of Conservation, > Presentation on Health and Safety > June 24-25 Portland, OR NW Regional ACS Meeting > Two-Day Short Course at Reed College > Potsdam, NY NE Regional ACS Meeting > One-Day lab safety seminar > Summer '99 24-Hour Lab Safety Short Courses > Minneapolis, MN June 16-19 > > San Marcos, TX June 23-26 > Reno, NV July 7-10 > Boston, MA July 14-17 > Charleston, SC Aug 3-6 > Seattle, WA Aug 16-19 > July 24 Colorado Springs, CO NAOSMM National > Meeting, One-Day Seminar > July 29 Philadelphia, PA LS&EM '99 > 1-Day Lab Safety Seminar > July 30 Philadelphia, PA LS&EM '99 > 1-Day CHO Seminar > August 3 Fairfield, CT ChemEd '99 > Enlightening Evening of Lab Safety > August 20 New Orleans, LA ACS National Meeting > One-Day Lab Safety Seminar > August 21 New Orleans, LA ACS National Meeting > One-Day CHO Seminar > August 22 New Orleans, LA ACS National Meeting > Enlightening Afternoon of Lab Safety > September Galveston, TX Gulf Coast Conference > October 8 Houston, TX MATS Conference > 1-Day Seminar > October 17 Knoxville, TN SE Regional ACS Meeting > 1-Day Lab Safety Seminar > Fall 1999 NSTA Regional Meetings > Detroit, MI > Tulsa, OK > Reno, NV > > Please contact LSW or visit our website for a complete listing > of events. > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, Director > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > Safety in Science Education > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 labsafe@aol.com > http://www.labsafety.org/ > > LSW is a national non-profit educational organization dedicated to making > health and safety an integral and important part of science education. > Free > copies of our Laboratory Safety Guidelines, seminar schedule, Publications > List, AV-Lending Library List, and membership information are available on > request. The LABSAFETY-L discussion list is a public service of LSW. > > ****************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:39:16 EDT > From: Labsafe@AOL.COM > Subject: Re: neutralizing traps > > In a message dated 99-05-20 16:27:26 EDT, you write: > > << We are building a new facility that will have a fumehood in a pharmacy. > >The Mechanical engineers want to install an acid neutralizing trap > (calcium > >chips maybe?) below the sink cup. Has anyone had experience with these? > Are > >they necessary? >> > > Hi NACHOs, > > In the past, these traps may have been a good idea. Today, there is so > little acid going down the drain that the chips become rapidly fouled and > must be replaced (the acid actually cleaned the chips according to an > engineering firm that installed them). So now, they appear to do > relatively > little except add cost and waste time. > > Bottom line.... if you don't pour acids now the drain, why do you need > them. > If you do pour acids down the drain, you need a neutralizing system and > not > chips. ... Jim > > ***************************************************** > James A. Kaufman, Director > The Laboratory Safety Workshop > Safety in Science Education > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 > Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ > > ****************************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:57:34 -0500 > From: Kelly Morgan > Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > I experienced a similiar situation when 10-12 boxes with dry ice came in > over > the weekend and were placed in a walk in refrigerator. The dry ice began > to > melt and displaced a good quantity of the air in the area. > > Nigel McCarter wrote: > > > Any comments? > > > > Shortly after starting work one morning, a NIWA laboratory technician > began > > to feel nauseous and dizzy. He left the laboratory and rapidly > recovered. > > When he re-entered the laboratory, the symptoms rapidly returned. > > > > It appears that a chilli-bin of dry ice had been left in the laboratory > > overnight. It is possible, though not certain, that sufficient CO2 had > > sublimated to reduce the overall oxygen concentration in the lab to an > > extent where technician began to present symptoms of oxygen deprivation. > > > > Unfortunately no measurements were taken at the time, though the problem > > disappeared with ventilation > > > > Any body else come across similar accidents with dry ice? > > > > Nigel > > Nigel McCarter > > Safety Management and Information Services Ltd > > Box 23 019 Hamilton New Zealand > > Phone (64) 7 858 2429 Fax (64) 7 858 2689 > > Mobile 021 212 4901 > > --------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493 > Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="khmorgan.vcf" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Description: Card for Kelly Morgan > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="khmorgan.vcf" > > begin:vcard > n:Morgan;Kelly > tel;fax:302-831-1528 > tel;work:302-831-3123 > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > org:University of Delaware;Occupational Health and Safety > version:2.1 > email;internet:KHMORGAN@UDEL>EDU > title:Chemical Hygiene Officer > adr;quoted-printable:;;222 S Chapel Street=0D=0A132 General Services > Building=0D > =0A;Newark;DE;19716; > end:vcard > > --------------2D46E191BA1253B59B9C8493-- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 07:04:24 -0600 > From: Nicholas Stansell > Subject: Uniform Fire Code > > Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the UFC? Preferably on the > interne > t. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:19:15 -0400 > From: Nick Pinizzotto > Subject: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > Several years ago we had an incident where a lab tech felt dizzy in a > walk-in > box and almost passed out. Upon investigation, we discovered that someone > had > recieved a package containing dry ice the prior day and placed it into the > cold box with intentions of dealing with it the next day. > > It went unattended for sometime and displaced the oxygen in the cold room. > We > never took any measurements. Be a good experiment for someone to conduct > sometime! > > > Nick Pinizzotto > Environmental Health Officer > Dept. Environmental Health & Safety > Thomas Jefferson University > nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu > 215-503-5853 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 11:26:59 EDT > From: Gilbert Smith > Subject: Re: CCHO certification > > In a message dated 5/21/99 4:11:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU writes: > > > I can't put my hand on that NRCC list of suggested reading at the > > moment, but their Executive Director, Dr. Gilbert Smith, is active on > > our list. Maybe he can post it when he sees our discussion. Start > > with the "Lab Standard" and regs. you know to be related (they are on > > the WWW). Another "MUST" is the book "Prudent Practices in the > > Laboratory; Handling and Disposal of Chemicals" by the National > > Research Council. > > For Your Information: > > A PARTIAL REFERENCE STUDY GUIDE > > for use in preparing for > > CHEMICAL HYGIENE OFFICER EXAM > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This list is only a guide to what is available. It should not be > interpreted > as listing the only publications for study purposes. The direction of > individual study should be conditioned by one's own experience and > knowledge. > Some questions will be based on practical experience rather than the > texts > of publications. > > The most recent edition of each reference is recommended which may be > later > that the edition listed. > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety, Third Edition, Keith Furr, Editor, CRC > Press, Inc., Boca Raton, FL, 1990. > > Developing a Chemical Hygiene Plan by Jay A. Young, Warren K. Kingsley, > and > George H. Wahl, Jr.; American Chemical Society, Washington, D.C., 1990. > > Environmental & Occupational Medicine, Second Edition, William N. Rom, > M.D., > M.P.H., Editor, Little Brown, Boston, MA, 1992 > > Fundamentals of Industrial Hygiene, 4th revised edition, Edited by Barbara > Plog, National Safety Council, 1995. > > Improving Safety in the Chemical Laboratory: A Practical Guide, Second > Edition, edited by Jay A. Young; John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1991. > > National Toxicology Program Annual Plan for Fiscal Year 1995, (and later > years) U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Washington, D.C., > 1995. > > Prudent Practices in the Laboratory: Handling and Disposal of Chemicals; > National Research Council; National Academy Press, Washington, D.C., 1995. > > Laboratory Fume Hoods: A User's Manual, by G. Thomas Saunders, > Wiley-Interscience, New York, 1993. > > Threshold Limit Values for Chemical Substances and Physical and Biological > Exposure Indices, ACGIH Worldwide, (American Conference of Governmental > Industrial Hygienists) Cincinnati, OH 1996. > over > 29 CFR 1910.1450 Occupational Exposures to Hazardous > Chemicals in Laboratories, January 31, > 1990. > 29 CFR 1910.120 Hazardous Waste Operations and Emergency > Response (HAZWOPER), March 6, 1989. > 29 CFR 1910, 1915, 1917, 1918, 1926, 1928 OSHA Communication > Standard. > 29 CFR 1910.1020 Access to Employee Exposure and Medical > Records, September 29, 1988. > 29 CFR 1910.146 Permit-required Confined Space, January, > 1993. > 29 CFR 1910.147 Control of Hazardous Energy (Lock out/Tag > out). > 29 CFR 1910.100l Asbestos-Communication of Hazards to > Employees: Employee Information and > Training. > 29 CFR 1910.1030 Occupational Exposure to Bloodborne > Pathogens, December 6, 1991. > 29 CFR 1910.1096 Ionizing Radiation > 29 CFR 1910.119 Process Safety Management of Highly > Hazardous Chemicals, February 26, 1992 > 29 CFR 1910 Personal Protective Equipment, April 6, > 1994. > 1919.132 General Requirements. > 1910.133 Eye and Face Protection. > 1910.134 Respiratory Protection. > 1910.135 Head Protection. > 1910.136 Foot Protection. > 1910.138 Hand Protection. > > Also see http://access.gpo.gov > > For further information see: HREF="http://members.aol.com/nrcc6/nrcc.htm">National Registry in Clinical > Chemistry > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 08:30:29 -0700 > From: Jerry Haag > Subject: Re: Uniform Fire Code > > Nicholas, you will not find the text of the UFC on the internet. It is a > copyrighted publication whose costs of development are paid for by sales > of the book. Contact the ICBO Order Department at 800-284-4406. > > Jerry Haag > SafeBridge Consultants, Inc. > Mountain View, CA > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nicholas Stansell [SMTP:r5284c@EMAIL.SPS.MOT.COM] > > Sent: May 25, 1999 6:04 AM > > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > > Subject: Uniform Fire Code > > > > Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the UFC? Preferably on > > the internet. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:06:31 -0700 > From: "John M. Neil" > Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > I heard of a case of that happening in an auto with people bring samples > packed in dry to the lab from the field. It was in the winter, and they > had the car heater on and the windows closed. After a four hour drive, > they were abit woozy. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:51:14 -0700 > From: Debbie Decker > Subject: Re: Uniform Fire Code > > At 07:04 AM 5/25/99 -0600, you wrote: > >Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the UFC? Preferably on the > internet. > > Published by a private firm so they aren't available in the Public Domain. > Besides, they aren't available on CD . The Uniform Building Code is > on CD and it's okay to use - not great but not terrible, either. Some of > the UFC is incorporated into the UBC but don't ask me which parts - I'm > not > _that_ familiar with it all . > > Published by International Fire Code Institute, 5360 Workman Mill Road, > Whittier, CA 90601 > Copyright held by International Conference of Building Officials (same > address as above). > (562)699-0124 http://www.icbo.com/ > > I think the 2-volume set of the 1997 UFC cost me about $200 US (it's been > awhile) > > Hope this helps, > Deb. > > Debbie M. Decker, Health and Safety Specialist > Environmental Health and Safety > University of California, Davis > 1 Shields Ave. > Davis, CA 95616 > (530)754-7964 > (530)752-1493 > dmdecker@ucdavis.edu > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 09:43:18 -0700 > From: Mike hinz > Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > This is why Dry Ice is a "forbidden article" by IATA for transport in > aircraft unless in a cargo hold sealed off from the cabin and passenger > compartment. > I have had to argue with faculty who wanted to carry dry ice on > board with them. They seem to get the point when I ask if they feel it is > worth the jail time. > > Mike Hinz > Chemistry Dept. > Washington State University > > At 09:06 AM 5/25/99 -0700, you wrote: > > I heard of a case of that happening in an auto with people bring samples > >packed in dry to the lab from the field. It was in the winter, and they > >had the car heater on and the windows closed. After a four hour drive, > >they were abit woozy. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 12:57:52 -0400 > From: Paula Ortiz > Subject: Re: CHSO at small universities > > Norman, > > We are a small institution as well. My responses follow your questions. > > At 01:40 PM 5/24/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I am new to the list and apologize in advance if this is a question which > >has been discussed recently. If it has, a summary note and a gentle > >correction to me individually will suffice. If not, and it is of general > >interest, please respond to the list. > > > >I taught and was Coordinator of General Chemistry at a large (20,000 > >students) university for 30 years and now am Chair of Chemistry and > Biology > >at Wheeling Jesuit. At the larger university, we had a Chemical Hygiene > >Safety Officer and well-established procedures. > > > >We are a small university (about 1000 day students, 4.0 FTE chemistry > >faculty) with a Laboratory Safety Committee and a Chemical Hygiene Safety > >Plan. Our administration has asked us to survey other departments of > >similar size to determine: > > > >1. Who (chemistry, biology faculty member/chair/assistant dean/laboratory > >coordinator) is the Chemical Hygiene Safety Officer and how is he/she > >placed in the administrative structure of the univeristy? > > > I am the Chemical Hygiene Officer for our facility. Our structure is as > follows: President, Vice President/Safety Committe Chair, Dean of Arts & > Sciences, Chemical Hygiene Officer. > > >2. To whom does he/she report? > > Technically, I report to the Dean BUT since my position incorporates the > entire facility...I report things to the Vice President and the Safety > Coordinator. > > >3. If this person is a faculty member, does he/she receive an additional > >stipend and/or a reduction in teaching load (if so, how much?) > > I am in my own special little category here. I am considered faculty and > professional staff. I was given a stipend for this additional > responsibility. > > > > >4. What happens during the summer if this person is a faculty member? > > > I am on a nine month contract but work 3 days a week during the summer in > order to be able to dedicate as much time to Safety as I need to. > > Hope this helps! > > Paula Ortiz, MEd, CCHO, CPT > Science Laboratory Coordinator > Chemical Hygiene Officer > Washington State Community College > 710 Colegate Dr. > Marietta, Ohio 45750 > 740.374.8716 > > > > >If you send the reply directly to me, note if you would like a summary of > >the replies. (Deadline 6/1/99) > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Norman V. Duffy > > > > > >Dr. Norman V. Duffy > >Chair, Chemistry and Biology > >Wheeling Jesuit University > >316 Washington Ave. > >Wheeling WV 26003 > >(304) 243-4430 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 13:13:48 -0400 > From: Paula Ortiz > Subject: Re: how to advance safety in academia > > The folks at our institution believe that Safety is a MUST! So...I just > completed a new course syllabus for Laboratoy Safety. I will begin > teaching this 2 hour a week course Fall quarter. We believe that it is > imperative for our students to know how to be prudent people. This course > is also going to be offered to local science educators as a possible > continuing education course. > > > Paula > > Paula Ortiz, MEd, CCHO, CPT > Science Laboratory Coordinator > Chemical Hygiene Officer > Washington State Community College > 710 Colegate Dr. > Marietta, Ohio 45750 > 740.374.8716 > > > At 01:47 PM 5/24/99 -0700, you wrote: > > Several thoughts on how to advance safety in academia: > > > > Industrial recruiting should stress how much more desirable > prospective > >employees are who know and follow current prudent practices in the lab. > It > >is both expensive and time consuming to have to correct bad habits > learned > >by undergraduates whose professors couldn't be inconvenienced by safety > reg's. > > > > Try an get your admin to include a review for required safety > items and a > >line item in the budget for safety expenses in grant proposals -- if > >nothing else it eleminates the excuse "I didn't know I had to and didn't > >budget money for it." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:38:26 -0700 > From: Denise Bender > Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > We had a similar incident just recently. Here is a summary: > > We had a similar event involving dry ice - > An employee recently entered a cold room In a very short period of time, > he > began to feel lightheaded, dizzy, and short of breath. He immediately > left the > cold room in an effort to clear his head and get some fresh air. It took > several minutes for his breathing to return to normal. The cause of the > employee's symptoms was determined to be caused by either 1) an excess of > CO2 > or, a 2) lack of oxygen (O2) in the cold room. (either could cause the > symptoms) > > > Lab personnel used several small, open top carts to store frozen materials > that > were removed from a malfunctioning freezer. The frozen materials were > packed in > > dry ice to keep them frozen. The samples were moved into a refrigerated > cold > room as the employees reasoned this would help keep the samples cold. > > The refrigerated cold room air is re-circulated (no fresh air is > introduced). > The likely result is that the CO2 concentration is increasing and the O2 > concentration is decreasing. > > Please be aware that even moderate amounts of dry ice can become a hazard > when > allowed to evaporate into a closed space. Further investigation has > revealed > that several employees have had similar experiences - however, they were > unsure > of the cause. Preventive action: Dry Ice is prohibited from all Cold > Rooms. > > Denise Bender > Immunex Corporation > Sr. IH > bender@immunex.com > (206)587-0430 x2520 > > > > > Nick Pinizzotto on 05/25/99 07:19:15 AM > > Please respond to LABSAFETY-L Discussion List > > > > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > > cc: (bcc: Denise E Bender/BusinessOperations/Immunex) > > > > Subject: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > > > > > > > Several years ago we had an incident where a lab tech felt dizzy in a > walk-in > box and almost passed out. Upon investigation, we discovered that someone > had > recieved a package containing dry ice the prior day and placed it into the > cold box with intentions of dealing with it the next day. > > It went unattended for sometime and displaced the oxygen in the cold room. > We > never took any measurements. Be a good experiment for someone to conduct > sometime! > > > Nick Pinizzotto > Environmental Health Officer > Dept. Environmental Health & Safety > Thomas Jefferson University > nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu > 215-503-5853 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:05:30 EDT > From: Jennifer Minogue > Subject: Re: Dry ice and oxygen deprivation > > I read with some concern the message that said that carbon > dioxide was "forbidden" by IATA unless sealed and in the cargo > hold. > > If you look in Section 2.3.5.5 of the IATA air regs for > dangerous goods, you will see an allowance for 2 > kg of dry ice as carry on baggage as long as it is not > refrigerating dangerous goods. This allows you to bring back > your frozen arctic char from your fishing camp. > > I didn't check all the airline exemptions from the exemptions, > but I don't recall that there is any airline that doesn't allow > the dry ice in the passenger compartment. > > > > > Jennifer E. Minogue, B.S., M.S.P.H. > Hazardous Materials Safety Officer > Environmental Health and Safety > University of Guelph > Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 Canada > 519-824-4120 X3190 Fax 519-824-0364 > e-Mail jennifer@ehs.uoguelph.ca > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 14:52:52 -0400 > From: Naomi Kelly > Subject: AIHCE > > There was a brief exchange of who would be attending the AIHCE in Toronto > next month, but was a time (breakfast, lunch, etc.) discussed or set for > meeting? > > > > > > Naomi Kelly > Environmental Health and Safety Officer > Clemson University > 261 P&AS Building > Clemson, SC 29634-5740 > (864)656-7554 > Fax (864)656-7630 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 16:09:29 -0400 > From: "Davis, Scott" > Subject: Re: AIHCE > > I made a list of NACHOs going to the AIHCE and their e-mail addresses. > There are nine of us. Not knowing the town, I am not able to suggest a > location. Ideas anyone? > sd > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Naomi Kelly [SMTP:nkelly@CLEMSON.EDU] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 1999 2:53 PM > > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > > Subject: AIHCE > > > > There was a brief exchange of who would be attending the AIHCE in > Toronto > > next month, but was a time (breakfast, lunch, etc.) discussed or set for > > meeting? > > > > > > > > > > > > Naomi Kelly > > Environmental Health and Safety Officer > > Clemson University > > 261 P&AS Building > > Clemson, SC 29634-5740 > > (864)656-7554 > > Fax (864)656-7630 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 19:43:06 -0400 > From: Don Abramowitz > Subject: Re: neutralizing traps > > >Bottom line.... if you don't pour acids now the drain, why do you need > them. > >If you do pour acids down the drain, you need a neutralizing system and > not > >chips. ... Jim > > Stick to not pouring acids down the drain, unless you have an excess of > maintenance personnel who are just itching for a high maintenance > operation. We had a neutralizing system to which all lab sinks drained in > a new chemistry wing, at the insistence of the architects. (It measures pH > and automatically adds either concentrated sulfuric acid or liquid caustic > (50 % NaOH) as needed to a series of tanks to achieve a "neutral" > discharge.) We quickly learned that the pH sensors were readily fouled > (perhaps by whatever fouls those chips?), prompting the system to > precisely > pump its entire reservoir of acid or caustic into the waste line. We also > learned that refilling the acid and caustic reservoirs ( a drum's worth at > a time) just wasn't worth the splash risks to the operators. The system > is > now permanently in the "bypass" mode. We prohibit drain disposal of > acids, > test the discharge line routinely to keep the chemists on their toes (pH > of > 6.5 to 7.0, typical), and live happily ever after. > > Don > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~ > Donald Abramowitz, CIH > Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer > > Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College > 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue > Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 > > ------------------------------ > > End of LABSAFETY-L Digest - 24 May 1999 to 25 May 1999 > ****************************************************** > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:24:30 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: chemical transporters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To get around this problem in the past, we have had supplies shipped to research locations directly from the manufacturer, such as VWR or Sigma. It greatly reduces the work on our end. It is just a matter of having suppliers change the ship to address for that particular order. If new materials can be order on a grant or other source that is funding the remote work, it just makes it simpler and safer. For what its worth, Janeen :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:47:58 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" Subject: Re: A Concern about Regulatory Agencies In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Jim wrote: >Last week, a list reader shared a concern with me about posting problems on >the list. The concern was whether any regulatory agency (OSHA/EPA) might be >reading and have that lead to a regulatory visit. > >I do not believe that regulatory actions will result from colleagues sharing >their problems and solutions with each other. However, I am happy to post >anonymously almost any issue that readers may be reluctant to post personally. I agreed that it is unlikely. My inpression is that enforcement officers have wasy plenty on their plates as it is and probably don't have to cruise here to pick up new leads. HOWEVER, it is important to remember that what we write here is very very very public. List members can and will forward messages from this list to any other people they wish (your boss, your university president, your technician or secretary, the EPA, OSHA...). I regard this as one of the several good reasons for striving for a high level of "professionalism" and prudence in everything posted to the list. $0.02, Linda ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:19:12 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Gian Hofer Subject: Re: A Concern about Regulatory Agencies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda's $0.02 are right-on-the-money. Realize your messages will be archived and accesible to everyone, forever. Example 20 yrs from now the archives might be accessible and your name can be searched by your name for your comments. For example, you can search archives of major OSH discussion groups at: http://siri.uvm.edu/mail/ Remember, once you press send, its public and you never know who is lurking or when. Gian "Dr. Linda A. Swihart" wrote: > >Jim wrote: > >Last week, a list reader shared a concern with me about posting problems on > >the list. The concern was whether any regulatory agency (OSHA/EPA) might be > >reading and have that lead to a regulatory visit. > > > >I do not believe that regulatory actions will result from colleagues sharing > >their problems and solutions with each other. However, I am happy to post > >anonymously almost any issue that readers may be reluctant to post > personally. > > I agreed that it is unlikely. My inpression is that enforcement officers > have wasy plenty on their plates as it is and probably don't have to cruise > here to pick up new leads. > > HOWEVER, it is important to remember that what we write here is very very > very public. List members can and will forward messages from this list to > any other people they wish (your boss, your university president, your > technician or secretary, the EPA, OSHA...). I regard this as one of the > several good reasons for striving for a high level of "professionalism" and > prudence in everything posted to the list. > > $0.02, > Linda ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:44:44 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bob Byington Organization: The University of Memphis Subject: Chemical Inventory Program & Bar-Coding Comments: To: Safety MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are exploring the possibility of centralization of our chemical inventory here at The University of Memphis. This program would include centralized ordering, receiving, and encompass a bar-coding system. I would appreciate any input from those of you out there who already have a system like this in place. I am specifically interested in the bar-coding hardware and software in use (pros, cons, beefs, suggestions, etc.) Any info relayed to list would be greatly appreciated. -- Bob Byington Laboratory Safety Specialist, Web Master Environmental Health and Safety 210B Old Brister Library The University of Memphis Memphis, TN 38152-6191 (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 rbyingtn@memphis.edu homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:36:56 -0500 Reply-To: jameel@sage.nrri.umn.edu Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: John Ameel Subject: Re: Chemical Inventory Program & Bar-Coding In-Reply-To: <374C08DC.75D39DF3@memphis.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I am also looking for information on bar coding for our institute. We are developing a "secure" web-based inventory system using an old spread sheet data base that has been expanded into an Access data base. It has the advantage that anyone with clearance can access the database from any networked computer or through a modem. I would like to add bar coding to this system in the hopes that tracking chemicals will become easier. We have two departments with several sections that each order chemicals. We thought it would be easist to avoid central purchasing and approach inventorying new chemicals at the receiving end since everything comes through a common office. Chemicals could be marked and entered into the database at that point. The fear expressed by several individuals was that central purchasing in our situation would delay orders and add another layer of administration. We have not implemented changes yet but are still trying to get the origional database up to date. I think bar codes might help this process. Thanks for any input. From: Bob Byington Organization: The University of Memphis Subject: Chemical Inventory Program & Bar-Coding To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > We are exploring the possibility of centralization of our > chemical inventory here at The University of Memphis. This > program would include centralized ordering, receiving, and > encompass a bar-coding system. I would appreciate any input > from those of you out there who already have a system like > this in place. I am specifically interested in the > bar-coding hardware and software in use (pros, cons, beefs, > suggestions, etc.) Any info relayed to list would be > greatly appreciated. > -- > Bob Byington > Laboratory Safety Specialist, Web Master > Environmental Health and Safety > 210B Old Brister Library > The University of Memphis > Memphis, TN 38152-6191 > (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 > rbyingtn@memphis.edu > homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas > personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn > John Ameel (jameel@sage.nrri.umn.edu) Phone: 218-720-4313 Natural Resources Research Institute Fax: 218-720-9412 5013 Miller Trunk Highway Duluth, MN 55811 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:53:46 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Shelley" Subject: Re: Chemical Inventory Program & Bar-Coding In-Reply-To: <374C08DC.75D39DF3@memphis.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1284388468==_ma============" --============_-1284388468==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >We are exploring the possibility of centralization of our >chemical inventory here at The University of Memphis. This >program would include centralized ordering, receiving, and >encompass a bar-coding system. I would appreciate any input >from those of you out there who already have a system like >this in place. I am specifically interested in the >bar-coding hardware and software in use (pros, cons, beefs, >suggestions, etc.) Any info relayed to list would be >greatly appreciated. Dear Bob and Colleagues--Our Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology uses the vert=E9re software system. This is a very slick system, with lots of capability and great customer support. The Chemistry staff are very happy with this system. vert=E9re can be reached at 800 628-9917 or 401 847-2790. My contact is Sharon Stasko. I have no personal interest in the vert=E9re firm, but this is an endorsement of their product. There are other capable software packages available as well. This is a very competitive market so I would shop around carefully and look for the features, customer service and expansion capability to meet your requirements. Good luck with the search. Tom Shelley ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Buildin= g, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu ****************************DISCLAIMER******************** The comments and views expressed in this communication are strictly my own a= nd are not to be construed to officially represent those of my peers, supervisors or Cornell University. --============_-1284388468==_ma============ Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >We are exploring the possibility of centralization of our >chemical inventory here at The University of Memphis. This >program would include centralized ordering, receiving, and >encompass a bar-coding system. I would appreciate any input >from those of you out there who already have a system like >this in place. I am specifically interested in the >bar-coding hardware and software in use (pros, cons, beefs, >suggestions, etc.) Any info relayed to list would be >greatly appreciated. Dear Bob and Colleagues--Our Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology uses the vert=E9re software system. This is a very slick system, with lots of capability and great customer support. The Chemistry staff are very happy with this system. vert=E9re can be reached at 800 628-9917 or 401 847-2790. My contact is Sharon Stasko. I have no personal interest in the vert=E9re firm, but this is an endorsement of their product. There are other capable software packages available as well. This is a very competitive market so I would shop around carefully and look for the features, customer service and expansion capability to meet your requirements. Good luck with the search. Tom Shelley ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Buildin= g, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu ****************************DISCLAIMER******************** The comments and views expressed in this communication are strictly my own a= nd are not to be construed to officially represent those of my peers,= supervisors or Cornell University. --============_-1284388468==_ma============-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:59:59 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Ralph Stuart, University of Vermont" Subject: Re: A Concern about Regulatory Agencies Comments: To: SAFETY list In-Reply-To: <374C10F0.7D450A83@nas.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" For SAFETY readers: I am cross-posting this from a sister list and would follow the same approach as is suggested below. >Last week, a list reader shared a concern with me about posting problems on >the list. The concern was whether any regulatory agency (OSHA/EPA) might be >reading and have that lead to a regulatory visit. > >I do not believe that regulatory actions will result from colleagues sharing >their problems and solutions with each other. However, I am happy to post >anonymously almost any issue that readers may be reluctant to post >personally. Of interest with regard to this subject may be a tidbit I heard at a recent EHS meeting. EPA inspectors, at least in Region 1, are using the web to research colleges and universities operations before they arrive on campus. They come prepared with the name of labs that they want to visit and expectations for what kinds of chemicals might be there (my sense that this is from the lab's own web pages). They also have an idea of what the eh&s procedures are from reviewing the health and safety web site beforehand. We have also had friendly feedback from Vermont OSHA after a UVM issue was discussed on an e-mail list. My guess is that information that is shared publicly should be kept generic to avoid complicating regulatory reglations. But the limits of e-mail medium mean we shouldn't try to provide complete details or expect to receive definitive advice through that medium, anyway. cent cent. - Ralph Ralph Stuart, CIH Environmental Safety Manager University of Vermont 655 Spear St., PO Box 50570 Burlington, VT 05405 rstuart@esf.uvm.edu fax: (802)656-5407 Owner: SAFETY list (general discussion of environmental health and safety) LEPC list (planning for hazardous materials emergencies) LAB-XL list (performance oriented enviromental regulation of laboratories) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:38:20 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Lisa Gonzalez Subject: Re: Chemical Inventory Program & Bar-Coding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain After doing some research, I chose Vertere. The company is well organized, has good customer support & they seem to be keeping up with industry. I met them at LSEM 1997 at a vendor show. I was able to work with the software & compare it to other programs. Does anyone know if they (or others) are going to be there this year? Lisa A. Gonzalez, NRCC-CHO R&D Safety and Health Officer lisa.gonzalez@pharma.com -----Original Message----- From: Bob Byington [SMTP:rbyingtn@MEMPHIS.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:45 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Chemical Inventory Program & Bar-Coding We are exploring the possibility of centralization of our chemical inventory here at The University of Memphis. This program would include centralized ordering, receiving, and encompass a bar-coding system. I would appreciate any input from those of you out there who already have a system like this in place. I am specifically interested in the bar-coding hardware and software in use (pros, cons, beefs, suggestions, etc.) Any info relayed to list would be greatly appreciated. -- Bob Byington Laboratory Safety Specialist, Web Master Environmental Health and Safety 210B Old Brister Library The University of Memphis Memphis, TN 38152-6191 (901) 678-4672 fax (901) 678-4673 rbyingtn@memphis.edu homepage: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~ehas personal: http://www.people.memphis.edu/~rbyingtn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:05:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Protective Eyewear Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In the May/June issue of Chemical Health and Safety, article entitled "Prevention and first aid requirements for facilities with chemical hazards", the statement under the eye and face protection subtitle states that "everyone in a laboratory or eye-hazard area--including supervisors, management personnel, and visitors--must wear safety goggles (types G, H, or K)". I do not have a copy ANSI Z87.1-1991, but this implies that everyone in a laboratory whether immediately working with chemicals or not should be wearing goggles because there is "always" a danger of splashing chemicals, flying particles, etc. We require that everyone working in laboratories wear safety glasses at all times, and goggles for pouring, mixing, etc. and shops while working with equipment where there is a flying particle hazard (we don't even get compliance with this), but goggles all the time? I have ordered a copy of the standard, but in the meantime if someone who has the standard available would provide me with a brief summary. I know those of you in industry are shaking your heads again, but the academic world is truly a different world. Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:05:22 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Debra Sharpe Subject: Re: AIHCE In-Reply-To: <82ACF9C810A5D211B13100A0C9EBE41EB541A7@email.uncc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Post a message to NACHOs on the electronic message boards D. C. Sharpe, CCHO Associate Director Safety and Environmental Health 313 Leach Science Bldg Auburn University, 36849 Ph (334) 844-4870 fax 4640 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:05:28 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Andrew Cooper Subject: Re: Protective Eyewear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've not read the article, but ANSI only provides the specifications on the equipment, they don't and can't require us to where such PPE. It's not there jurisdiction to do so in this scenario. It might be that the writer of the article was stating his opinion of a best management practice in that regard. There is no blanket regulatory requirement that I know of that states that you "must" wear goggles in a laboratory or eye-hazard area". If there is such a reg I'd like to see it. Did the writer reference one? You need to look at what federal or state agencies require for protection (e.g., OSHA and 1910.132[d]). The hazard assessment in the aforementioned citation requires the employer to select the appropriate PPE to protect the individual from the hazards identified. It's up to you to decide what's appropriate and then be able to support your decision. As you stated, when you have the potential for a splash hazard...it is appropriate to require such goggles, but ludicrous to state that everyone else "must" where them. Maybe he meant to say "it's recommended"? Andy -----Original Message----- From: Naomi Kelly [SMTP:nkelly@CLEMSON.EDU] Sent: May 26, 1999 2:06 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Protective Eyewear In the May/June issue of Chemical Health and Safety, article entitled "Prevention and first aid requirements for facilities with chemical hazards", the statement under the eye and face protection subtitle states that "everyone in a laboratory or eye-hazard area--including supervisors, management personnel, and visitors--must wear safety goggles (types G, H, or K)". I do not have a copy ANSI Z87.1-1991, but this implies that everyone in a laboratory whether immediately working with chemicals or not should be wearing goggles because there is "always" a danger of splashing chemicals, flying particles, etc. We require that everyone working in laboratories wear safety glasses at all times, and goggles for pouring, mixing, etc. and shops while working with equipment where there is a flying particle hazard (we don't even get compliance with this), but goggles all the time? I have ordered a copy of the standard, but in the meantime if someone who has the standard available would provide me with a brief summary. I know those of you in industry are shaking your heads again, but the academic world is truly a different world. Naomi Kelly Environmental Health and Safety Officer Clemson University 261 P&AS Building Clemson, SC 29634-5740 (864)656-7554 Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:43:35 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Naomi Kelly Subject: Re: Protective Eyewear In-Reply-To: <58EB01833764D11199DF00805FBE3A12019364A4@ausexpo.radian.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 1910.132 incorporates ANSI Z87.1 by reference which provides the authority to enforce... At 03:05 PM 5/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >I've not read the article, but ANSI only provides the specifications on the >equipment, they don't and can't require us to where such PPE. It's not >there jurisdiction to do so in this scenario. It might be that the writer >of the article was stating his opinion of a best management practice in that >regard. There is no blanket regulatory requirement that I know of that >states that you "must" wear goggles in a laboratory or eye-hazard area". If >there is such a reg I'd like to see it. Did the writer reference one? You >need to look at what federal or state agencies require for protection (e.g., >OSHA and 1910.132[d]). The hazard assessment in the aforementioned citation >requires the employer to select the appropriate PPE to protect the >individual from the hazards identified. It's up to you to decide what's >appropriate and then be able to support your decision. As you stated, when >you have the potential for a splash hazard...it is appropriate to require >such goggles, but ludicrous to state that everyone else "must" where them. >Maybe he meant to say "it's recommended"? > >Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Naomi Kelly [SMTP:nkelly@CLEMSON.EDU] > Sent: May 26, 1999 2:06 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Protective Eyewear > > In the May/June issue of Chemical Health and Safety, article >entitled > "Prevention and first aid requirements for facilities with chemical > hazards", the statement under the eye and face protection subtitle >states > that "everyone in a laboratory or eye-hazard area--including >supervisors, > management personnel, and visitors--must wear safety goggles (types >G, H, > or K)". I do not have a copy ANSI Z87.1-1991, but this implies that > everyone in a laboratory whether immediately working with chemicals >or not > should be wearing goggles because there is "always" a danger of >splashing > chemicals, flying particles, etc. We require that everyone working >in > laboratories wear safety glasses at all times, and goggles for >pouring, > mixing, etc. and shops while working with equipment where there is a >flying > particle hazard (we don't even get compliance with this), but >goggles all > the time? > I have ordered a copy of the standard, but in the meantime if >someone who > has the standard available would provide me with a brief summary. > I know those of you in industry are shaking your heads again, but >the > academic world is truly a different world. > > > > > > Naomi Kelly > Environmental Health and Safety Officer > Clemson University > 261 P&AS Building > Clemson, SC 29634-5740 > (864)656-7554 > Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:43:26 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jerry Haag Subject: Re: Protective Eyewear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain In my edition of ANSI Z87.1 (1989) there is a selection chart on page 16 that I will paraphrase as follows: For "Chemical" hazards involving "Acid and chemicals handling, degreasing, plating" where "Splash" hazards are present, the recommended eye protectors are "Goggles, eyecup and cover types" with "faceshield" added for "severe exposure". "Spectacles, welding helmets, handshields" are specifically "NOT RECOMMENDED". (Words and phrases in quotes are lifted directly from the standard.) You are still left with the requirement to conduct a hazard assessment to determine if there is a splash hazard. Your present practice as you described does not seem unreasonable to me. Jerry Haag SafeBridge Consultants, Inc. Mountain View, CA > -----Original Message----- > From: Naomi Kelly [SMTP:nkelly@CLEMSON.EDU] > Sent: May 26, 1999 12:06 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Protective Eyewear > > In the May/June issue of Chemical Health and Safety, article entitled > "Prevention and first aid requirements for facilities with chemical > hazards", the statement under the eye and face protection subtitle > states > that "everyone in a laboratory or eye-hazard area--including > supervisors, > management personnel, and visitors--must wear safety goggles (types G, > H, > or K)". I do not have a copy ANSI Z87.1-1991, but this implies that > everyone in a laboratory whether immediately working with chemicals or > not > should be wearing goggles because there is "always" a danger of > splashing > chemicals, flying particles, etc. We require that everyone working in > laboratories wear safety glasses at all times, and goggles for > pouring, > mixing, etc. and shops while working with equipment where there is a > flying > particle hazard (we don't even get compliance with this), but goggles > all > the time? > I have ordered a copy of the standard, but in the meantime if someone > who > has the standard available would provide me with a brief summary. > I know those of you in industry are shaking your heads again, but the > academic world is truly a different world. > > > > > > Naomi Kelly > Environmental Health and Safety Officer > Clemson University > 261 P&AS Building > Clemson, SC 29634-5740 > (864)656-7554 > Fax (864)656-7630 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:03:08 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Yanchisin Subject: MSDSs written in Chinese? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is a request from a nursery/greenhouse enterprise located in mid-Florida, throughout the US and in China. They are trying to bring the same safety standards to their operations in China as they have here in the US. They are looking for MSDSs for pesticides, fungicides, etc., written in Chinese. They plan to use them there for training their staff. The manufacturers (here in the US) only have them in English. Chinese officials do not have them either. Does any one have any thoughts, ideas or references for these documents written in Chinese? If you do, please contact John Knauss ("Ka-nouss") at Speedling, INC. 1-800-771-2543. John will great appreciative of any and all help. On John's behalf- Thank you!! Mark Yanchisin Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety Programs University of Florida Env. Health and Safety PO Box 112195 Gainesville, FL 32611-2195 352-846-2550 (T) 352-392-3414 (F) Mark@ehs.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:42:14 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Double Insulation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi NACHOs, Previously, Mike Edmiston wrote.... << If you plug a non-polarized double-insulated drill into 120 VAC "the wrong direction" and get 120 VAC on the chuck... you don't have a double insulated drill. To qualify as DI, there must not be a complete conductive path between any power wiring and any exposed metal (conductive) parts. If electricity is getting onto a drill chuck, then by definition that drill is not DI. >> Since then, I've been calling Underwriters Laboratories and speaking with several of their engineering people who work with and publish the relevant standards. One reply which received by email is reproduced below. I've been trying to get a better understanding of the meaning of Double Insulation to see whether or not I can agree with the above statements. Nothing I've read or heard so far leads me to believe that these are true statements. In fact, one UL engineer stated point blank that, in fact, a properly functioning double insulated power drill could have an electrically hot chuck and satisfy the requirements of the standard. When I asked him to repeat it so I could get it down verbatim, he said don't quote me. Such are the vageries of this business! I still have not read the National Electrical Code, but would welcome faxed copies of standards (1-508-647-0062) showing both the requirements and the applicability. So, as yet, I remain unconvinced in the face of some evidence suggesting that it just ain't so. ..... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** << I'm sorry that I missed you at your office. The UL Standard that you should reference pertaining to double insulation for hand-powered tools is Double Insulation for Electrical Equipment, UL 1097. The definition for double insulation is below. ..... DOUBLE INSULATION - An insulation system comprised of basic (formerly functional) insulation and supplementary insulation, with the two insulations physically separated and arranged so that they are not simultaneously subjected to the same deteriorating influences (temperatures, contaminants, and the like) to the same degree. BASIC INSULATION (FORMERLY FUNCTIONAL INSULATION) - The insulation applied to live parts to provide basic protection against electric shock. Basic insulation does not necessarily insulation used exclusively for functional purposes. SUPPLEMENTARY (PROTECTING ) INSULATION - An independent insulation provide in addition to the basic (formerly functional) insulation to protect against electric shock in case of mechanicla rupture or electrical breakdown of the basic insulation. An enclosure of insulating material may form a part or the whole of the supplementary insulation. ..... informal explaination: Double insulation consists of two types of insulation which are basic insulation and supplementary insulation. Both basic and supplementary insulations can be solid materials or air space satisfying criteria established for both insulations (basic and supplementary) relating to clearance, creepage, and thickness. The supplementary insulation must have a thickness of approximately 0.4mm. >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:03:03 EDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Labsafe@AOL.COM Subject: Handbook of Laboratory Safety MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Save 20% on the CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety (4th edition). See the "Special Offer" on our web site (www.labsafety.org) home page. Every month, LSW will try to make a major lab safety book available at a deep discount. Please suggest titles that you would like to have offered. If your list would prefer not to receive these announcements, list owners please let me know. ..... Jim ***************************************************** James A. Kaufman, Director The Laboratory Safety Workshop Safety in Science Education 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 Cell: 508-574-6264 Email: labsafe@aol.com Web Site: http://www.labsafety.org/ ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 06:06:19 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Greene, Ben" Subject: Re: Protective Eyewear MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain <1910.132 incorporates ANSI Z87.1 by reference which provides the authority > to enforce...> > Yes, but Z87.1 paragraph 7 "Protection Selection" refers to Appendix B which is an assessment GUIDELINE. This GUIDELINE is similar in intent to the hazard assessment performed in 1910.132. Therefore your hazard assessment and the corresponding PPE you choose to protect against the identified hazards would be the criteria for compliance. In my opinion. Ben Greene, Ph.D. AlliedSignal Las Cruces, NM 88004 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:03:27 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Amy Gregory Subject: Laboratory Access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everyone! I have a couple of serious problems that have just come up. Please share your thoughts with me. 1. For the past year or so, several of the college faculty, staff, and administrators have used the ice from the Bio/Chem department ice machine for meetings and other functions. However, the increasing number of persons using it has caused some concern, especially since they should not be using it at all! Furthermore, last night a non-science faculty member was provided a key to the labs to obtain some ice for a meeting. This is another problem. We have signs on the doors indicating that a person from the science staff must be in the lab for any untrained persons to enter. Laboratory access has been a growing problem with H&S concerns as well as security concerns. Unfortunately, I had my computer stolen only a few months ago. 2. Our phone system has been out for two days due to a faulty hard drive. Fortunately, several people are carrying cellular phones. Also, our reception area has access to an outside line, but I would have to run downstairs and through a long corridor. Furthermore, we have pay phones, but the closest one is near the reception area. I am mostly concerned with students who are performing experiments and do not have immediate access to 911. I would appreciate your scholarly thoughts and suggestions. Amy R. Gregory Lab Manager Univ. of Cin./Clermont College Amy.Gregory@UC.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:32:04 -0400 Reply-To: "edmiston@bluffton.edu" Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Michael Edmiston Organization: Bluffton College Subject: Re: Double Insulation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to make it clear that my first choice for protection against electrocution (besides being smart/careful) is the ground-fault-circuit-interrupter (GFCI). I have installed these all over my own house, even where they are not required. Our newer labs have them, and we hope to convert our existing labs. However, if I have to use a power tool in a circuit that does not have GFCI, then I sure want that tool to be a double-insulated (DI) tool. Typically I do both; I buy DI tools and I use them in GFCI circuits. NOTE THIS AMAZING STORY: If we want to be picky, we can stipulate that the DI tool has to be functioning properly. But if we're going to do that for DI, then we have to say the same thing for three-wire and for GFCI. Once when I tested a GFCI in my home, it did not trip. I opened the outlet box and found the GFCI completely stuffed with an infestation of ants, and the ants physically blocked the switch from opening. That was an eye-opener for me. If you type "double insulated" (including quotation marks) into an Internet search engine (I used Infoseek) you can get lot's of "hits" (I got 713). Some of these hits are from OSHA. OSHA requires GFCI on construction sites, but the wording of the code makes it unclear whether DI tools are permitted. Some of the OSHA documents on the Internet are clarification of this construction-site code. DI tools are permitted on construction sites. Here is a sample OHSA response: http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshDoc/Interp_data/I19940128A.html Here is an excerpt from the above OSHA response: * * * * * * With regard to the provisions addressing the grounding of electric hand tools, please be advised that 1926.302(a) requires that an electric hand tool be either double insulated or be equipped with a grounding conductor with a three-prong plug in accordance with Subpart K of part 1926. Therefore, a non- grounded, double-insulated electric hand tool with associated two-prong plug which has been listed by a nationally recognized testing laboratory would comply with 1926.302(a) and 1926.403(a). * * * * * * Many of these OSHA responses (and others on the Internet) point out the need to regularly inspect tools. Let's face it, hand tools take a lot of abuse. Just as the ground wire of a traditional three-wire grounded portable drill can become broken, so can a DI tool become defective. In either case, a GFCI can provide protection to the operator. Without GFCI, either of the defective tools can lead to electrocution. However, I would maintain the traditional metal-case tool is worse. You grab a drill tightly when you use it. If it become defective during drilling you've got a lot of skin contact and your muscles are already gripped around it. If the DI tool becomes defective while drilling, you're gripping plastic, and the shock hazard only occurs when you touch the chuck. There is at least the possibility that the resulting electrical shock (from the chuck) will cause a reflex action that will make you drop the tool or lose contact with it. That is much less likely when you're gripping hard on a metal-cased tool handle. I prefer to use my own tools. I test them regularly, and I treat them well. After all, I pay a lot of money to buy industrial-grade tools, so I don't treat them poorly. Sometimes when I do volunteer work I have to use someone else's beat-up portable drill. It scares me. If a DI tool is available, I choose it, because if I don't trust its condition, I can at least unplug it when I change the bit. If GFCI is available, I test it, then I use it. I've got a GFCI extension cord, and I try to remember to take that along, even if I don't take the rest of my portable tools. In fact, it's getting more and more common for me to throw in my battery-powered drill kit if I have room for it. What I'm saying here should be pretty clear. (1) I try to be careful and use common sense. (2) I try to use GFCI if at all possible. (3) I also use DI tools with GFCI if I can, without GFCI if I must. (4) I regularly inspect my tools. And finally, DI, grounded metal cases, and GFCI are all effective, but only when they are properly working. I don't see any reason that DI tools are more prone to failure than three-wire tools. And certainly be aware that GFCI circuits can fail... that's why they have test buttons on them. Michael D. Edmiston, Ph.D. Phone/voice-mail: 419-358-3270 Professor of Chemistry & Physics FAX: 419-358-3323 Chairman, Science Department E-Mail edmiston@bluffton.edu Bluffton College 280 West College Avenue Bluffton, OH 45817 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:22:20 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Amanda Dixon Subject: Re: Laboratory Access MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Amy, We also used to have problems concerning access to labs. We instituted a fairly strict policy. First we restricted the number of keys and informed all faculty that no student is to take any key to the building home with them. All labs must be locked whenever a professor is not present and our security department, faculty and staff were trained and told to remove anyone who should not be there. For special cases where students need to go in to study skeleton, use reference materials or feed animals, the professor must post the names of students on the inside of the door and inform security as well as get approval from the safety committee so all chemicals can be removed. Students must contact security to get into a lab and must inform them when they will be finished so occasional checks can be made. If there is a violation, students can be brought before the honor code committee and/or be reprimanded by the professor. Professors are written up via the safety committee. Our incidences have basically been eliminated. As for the ice machine, I would inform all campus employees and post a large sign on the door of the lab as well as the ice machine stating the the ice may be contaminated by chemicals used in the lab and is not considered safe for human consumption. Most people are usually deterred by words to that effect. You may need to come up with a tactful way of explaining why this is now the case, but I'm sure you can do that. The situation with your phones is definately a safety concern. Although there is probably nothing you can do to fix the hard drive problem, you should consider implementing an emergency plan. Perhaps you should be assigned a cell phone (or a radio which conects you to security) and also consider posting a security guard (or other competent person) with a radio on each floor (or at least every other floor) when lab work is taking place. For the future, you may want to look into getting at least one phone on each floor that is not a part of your current system but goes directly to your security department. When considering an emergency plan, also look at how you would handle a loss of power and water. (We had a water main burst and, of course, a student spilled some acid on herself right at that exact moment. The ice machine came in handy that day. No serious injury resulted as she was wearing proper clothing.) Good luck and thanks for giving me something to think about (phone loss). Amanda Dixon Laboratory Technician Randolph-Macon Woman's College 2500 Rivermont Ave. Lynchburg, VA 24503 email: adixon@rmwc.edu phone: 804-947-8568 fax: 804-947-8138 -----Original Message----- From: Amy Gregory [mailto:cordisar@EMAIL.UC.EDU] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 9:03 AM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject: Laboratory Access Hi Everyone! I have a couple of serious problems that have just come up. Please share your thoughts with me. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:32:56 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Re: Laboratory Access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >1. For the past year or so, several of the college faculty, staff, and >administrators have used the ice from the Bio/Chem department ice machine >for meetings and other functions. At the university I attended, we had a similar "community" ice machine. However, it was not located inside a laboratory. Ours was located in an isolated hallway outside the labs. If people are going to use the ice for personal consumption, it shouldn't be located inside a lab where it could absorb chemicals being used in the labs. Still, you cannot guarantee that someone in a lab won't take a beaker from their lab and use it as a scoup to get ice out, thereby contaminating any ice it touches. I was always uncomfortable using our ice machine for both personal consumption and lab work. If you could get an ice machine for personal use, that would be great but I suspect it's not possible. >2. Our phone system has been out for two days due to a faulty hard drive. >Fortunately, several people are carrying cellular phones. Also, our >reception area has access to an outside line, but I would have to run >downstairs and through a long corridor. Furthermore, we have pay phones, >but the closest one is near the reception area. I am mostly concerned with >students who are performing experiments and do not have immediate access to >911. Make sure your TA or instructor for each lab has access to a cellular phone. Depending on how long your phone system will be out, you may want to buy some. Or you might be able to rent some radios so you could communicate with each other. Give one to the receptionist so he or she could call 911 if necessary. Would your security office have something you could use? Good luck. Julie O'Brien Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:06:00 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Janeen LaPierre Subject: Re: Laboratory Access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Amy and fellow NACHO's. :):):):):):):):):):):):) Janeen Lapierre, CHO College of Osteopathic Medicine University of New England 11 Hills Beach Road Biddeford, ME 04005 E-Mail: JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU Phone: (207) 283-0170 ext 2446 Opinions are mine and not those of UNE. >>> snip>>>>Laboratory access has been a growing problem with H&S concerns as well as security concerns.>>>>> Lab access is one of those things that still cause faculty to role their eyes at me. Change the locks and make the department chair sign off on key requests. I had to do that when I first started here. Yes there was a great out cry but the chair supported the decision and things eventually quieted down. Having the chair involved also cut down on requests. No one should be using that ice for anything but lab experiments. It should have signage on it saying that it is not for human consumption or something to that effect. >>>snip>>>Our phone system has been out for two days due to a faulty hard drive. I am mostly concerned with students who are performing experiments and do not have immediate access to 911.>>>>>> Phone access was a hot topic of discussion at several of our safety committee meetings. Finally we got emergency phones installed outside of all the lab areas and in most stairwells in teaching buildings. You have to have readily available access for 911 or who ever your first responders are. Good luck, it can be accomplished. Janeen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 10:43:52 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Reeder, Deborah" Subject: Disposal of Electrophoresis gels MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain We will be running a new electrophoresis experiment that uses polyacrylamide gels for protein determination. Can anyone tell me how they dispose of left over reagents for making the gels and the used gels? I will have probably 20 to 30 students each making a gel or two so not a huge quantity. Debbie Reeder Lab Manager Chemistry Department Anne Arundel Community College Arnold, MD ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:48:47 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Ellen Anson Subject: Re: AIHCE In-Reply-To: <82ACF9C810A5D211B13100A0C9EBE41EB541A7@email.uncc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I will be attending AIHCE. Ellen D. Anson PhD., CIH Industrial Hygienist ______________________________________________________________________________ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808 L-386 Livermore, CA 94551-9900 phone:(925)422-1079 fax: (925)422-6551 email: anson1@llnl.gov ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 12:08:00 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Dewey Williams Subject: Re: Laboratory Access In-Reply-To: <199905271254.IAA20052@newman.bch.uc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >1. For the past year or so, several of the college faculty, staff, and >administrators have used the ice from the Bio/Chem department ice machine >for meetings and other functions. However, the increasing number of >persons using it has caused some concern, especially since they should not >be using it at all! Furthermore, last night a non-science faculty member >was provided a key to the labs to obtain some ice for a meeting. This is >another problem. We have signs on the doors indicating that a person from >the science staff must be in the lab for any untrained persons to enter. >Laboratory access has been a growing problem with H&S concerns as well as >security concerns. Unfortunately, I had my computer stolen only a few >months ago. The time to put a stop to this was before it started. A precedent has been set, and it will be dificult to undo the damage. however, placing a sign on the ice machine indicating that the ice may be contaminated with chemicals or glass (from people using beakers to scoop ice for labs) will deter some. A memo to that effect should be sent to all involved. Get support from the Safety Committee and the department Chairperson. Access to the lab/stockroom area should be limited to science faculty and necessary science staff. We have a strict policy that no student or non-department personnel are to be in the stockroom without a faculty member or stockroom employee. Having an 'open door' policy for your lab/stockroom will become a safety and inventory nightmare. >2. Our phone system has been out for two days due to a faulty hard drive. >Fortunately, several people are carrying cellular phones. Also, our >reception area has access to an outside line, but I would have to run >downstairs and through a long corridor. Furthermore, we have pay phones, >but the closest one is near the reception area. I am mostly concerned with >students who are performing experiments and do not have immediate access to >911. Determine how long the phone system will be down and ask for radios, cell phones and/or security people so equipped until it is fixed. The situation as it stands is a safety hazard. Dewey Williams - Lab Manager mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu "These are my ideas and no one else will claim them." "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 09:34:37 PST8PDT Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Craig R. Burnett" Subject: MSDS Alert In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: MSDS Alert Attached is the new Chemical Safety Alert entitled "Information Sources for Safer Response" (aka MSDS Alert), which covers safe response to a chemical accident. It is important that facilities, SERCs, LEPCs, emergency responders and others review this information and take appropriate steps to minimize risk. This Alert has been posted on the CEPPO Web site along with the Press Advisory, I have attached both documents for you. Why is this Alert important? There have been several fatal chemical accidents where additional information on how to effectively and safely respond to the accident could have saved lives. This Alert is designed to increase awareness on MSDSs limitations, so that first responders can take proper precaution. The Alert identifies additional sources of chemical information. What other sources should you use in a response? At least three sources should be consulted before a response. Several sources that are listed in the Alert include: CAMEO RIDS, Chemical Reactivity Worksheet, EHS Chemical Profiles, DOT North American Emergency Response Guidebook, Chemfinder Webserver. Please check out the Alert for a full listing of sources and emergency numbers. Who needs to see this Alert? Facilities, SERCs, LEPCs and emergency responders should read to minimize risk. Please send this electronically to your colleagues and others who might find it useful. Where can I find copies of this Alert? Full Accident Investigation Reports? You can download copies of this document from our website: www.epa.gov/ceppo/p-new.htm, & http://www.epa.gov/ceppo/p-small.htm#alerts, http://www.epa.gov/ceppo/whatnew.html, http://www.epa.gov/ceppo/ap-chsa.htm or if you need a hard copy contact NSCEP at 1800 490-9198. You can also obtain copies of the full accident investigation reports done by EPA on the BPS Accident in West Helena, Arkansas where three firefighters were killed and NAPP Accident in Lodi New Jersey where there were 5 fatalities. Craig R. Burnett Chemical Hygiene Officer Environmental Health & Safety California State University, Sacramento 6000 J Street Sacramento, CA 95819-6085 (916) 278-5165, (916) 278-4359 FAX E-mail: cburnett@csus.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:40:24 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Davis, Scott" Subject: Re: MSDSs written in Chinese? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but... It is my understanding that pesticides are specifically exempt from 1910.1200 (Haz-comm); the standard that requires the production of MSDSs. It is my experience that there is MSDS-esk info sheets available from manufacturers of regulated pesticides, but they are not MSDSs, and lack important info a MSDS would have. I used the Cornell database to retrieve a termiticide (is that a word?) MSDS yesterday...but it was pretty lame. It is my suspicion John will have difficulty obtaining MSDSs for pesticides in Chinese. sd > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Yanchisin [SMTP:mark@EHS.UFL.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 6:03 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: MSDSs written in Chinese? > > This is a request from a nursery/greenhouse enterprise located in > mid-Florida, throughout the US and in China. They are trying to bring the > same safety standards to their operations in China as they have here in > the > US. They are looking for MSDSs for pesticides, fungicides, etc., written > in > Chinese. They plan to use them there for training their staff. The > manufacturers (here in the US) only have them in English. Chinese > officials > do not have them either. > > Does any one have any thoughts, ideas or references for these documents > written in Chinese? If you do, please contact John Knauss ("Ka-nouss") at > Speedling, INC. > 1-800-771-2543. John will great appreciative of any and all help. > > On John's behalf- Thank you!! > > Mark Yanchisin > Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety > Programs > University of Florida Env. Health and Safety > PO Box 112195 > Gainesville, FL 32611-2195 > 352-846-2550 (T) > 352-392-3414 (F) > Mark@ehs.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:51:05 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: M A Solstadf Subject: Re: Exposure Assessment Photographic Processor Solutions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Once with a similar problem I called Eastman Kodak, and they were very helpful. Or whoever is the maker of your film and chemicals. Mary Ann Solstad ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Pinizzotto To: Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 5:06 PM Subject: Exposure Assessment Photographic Processor Solutions > Curious to know if anyone has any experience monitoring and assessing exposure > to developer solutions. We have a group of Radiology Technicians in our breast > imaging center who have a history of complaints regarding inhalation of fixer > & developer vapors off gassing from processors. > > We have switched exhaust ventilation for the small rooms to a better system > which eventually ends up outside. The earlier system was hooked to the end > run of a bathroom exhaust fan 12 floors away and general room return (to air > handler) ventilation but that's a whole other story I don't have space to tel > you about. > > While I don't believe people are over exposed, I'd like to look at some > exposure to cover the bases and perhaps make the individuals there feel > better. > > One worker DOES have respiratory problems which may or may not be related. > We are having a physician examine her. > > What chemicals/ contaminants are best to assess? > > > Would appreciate some input. > > > Thanks NACHO's! > > > Nick Pinizzotto > Environmental Health Officer > Dept. Environmental Health & Safety > Thomas Jefferson University > nick.pinizzotto@mail.tju.edu > 215-503-5853 > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:42:45 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Princiotto, Laurie A" Subject: Hydrogen Fluoride Cylinder Ruptures Comments: To: "safety@uvmvm.uvm.edu" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BEA870.B5E94AE2" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BEA870.B5E94AE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please share the information below with anyone you know that may have = an old lecture bottle of hydrogen fluoride. We had a 22 year old cylinder = rupture two weeks ago. Luckily, no one was injured. Since the accident, we = have found three other older cylinders in our Chemistry Dept. that we will = be disposing of very soon. I'm sure it is going to be very expensive. = (see picture and article below) Laurie Princiotto Laboratory Safety Specialist Phone: (812) 855-6115 Indiana University Fax: (812) 855-7906 Dept. of Environmental Health and Safety lprincio@indiana.edu Creative Arts Building http://www.ehs.indiana.edu 2735 East Tenth Street, Room 160 Bloomington, IN 47408-2602 =09 > =20 >=20 >=20 Picture of Ruptured Cylinder <>=20 > ARTICLE FROM AIR PRODUCTS WEB SITE >=20 > Hydrogen Fluoride Shelf Life Issue >=20 > 12 March, 1997 >=20 > We would like to inform you of a potential storage = hazard > which others in our > industry have experienced, and which we are = communicating > to you to help > ensure your continued safe use of the products you = buy > from Air Products > and Chemicals. >=20 > There is a potential over-pressure hazard with the = long > term storage of > carbon steel cylinders containing Anhydrous Hydrogen > Fluoride (AHF). > The AHF in the cylinder reacts very slowly with the = iron > in the steel to form > iron fluoride and hydrogen. The hydrogen collects in = the > vapor space and > builds pressure.=20 >=20 > An HF lecture bottle (DOT 3E) that had been in = storage > for as long as 14 > years was found to be at an estimated pressure of = 2400 > psig. While venting > the contents of this cylinder to a scrubber, the = vented > gas was analyzed and > found to be primarily hydrogen. The expected = pressure > based upon the > AHF's vapor pressure should have been between 5 - 15 > psig. >=20 > There have been a few reported cases worldwide of = AHF > cylinders failing > after approximately 15-25 years of storage due to > over-pressurization from > hydrogen build-up. >=20 > If your facility has carbon steel cylinders = containing > AHF, you should not > store these cylinders for extended periods of time > without monitoring > pressure and cylinder condition. Extreme caution = should > be taken during > the handling of any AHF cylinders that have been = stored > for extended > periods of time. As with any handling of HF, proper > safety procedures > should always be used and first aid supplies should = be > available in the > event of personnel exposure. >=20 > You should also consider any potential impact on = your > operation of using > the gas from any AHF cylinder that have been stored = for > extended periods > of time since it may now contain hydrogen as well as = the > AHF. >=20 > This communication is consistent with the goals of > Responsible Care=AE and > reinforces Air Products' leadership in communicating > product stewardship > and safety issues to our customers. We encourage you = to > communicate > this information to any others in your location who = may > have access to the > AHF cylinders you purchased. >=20 > If you have any questions regarding this = notification, > please contact our > Technical Information Center at 1-800-752-1597. > > Laurie Princiotto > Laboratory Safety Specialist Phone: (812) > 855-6115 > Indiana University Fax: (812) 855-7906 > Dept. of Environmental Health and Safety lprincio@indiana.edu > Creative Arts Building > http://www.ehs.indiana.edu > 2735 East Tenth Street, Room 160 > Bloomington, IN 47408-2602 > =09 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:08:43 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Carolyn S. Jaussi" Subject: Re: MSDSs written in Chinese? In-Reply-To: <82ACF9C810A5D211B13100A0C9EBE41EB541A9@email.uncc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:40 PM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but... >It is my understanding that pesticides are specifically exempt from >1910.1200 (Haz-comm); the standard that requires the production of MSDSs. >It is my experience that there is MSDS-esk info sheets available from >manufacturers of regulated pesticides, but they are not MSDSs, and lack >important info a MSDS would have. I used the Cornell database to retrieve a >termiticide (is that a word?) MSDS yesterday...but it was pretty lame. It >is my suspicion John will have difficulty obtaining MSDSs for pesticides in >Chinese. >sd > I am not aware of exemptions regarding pesticides. We're an agricultural-based lab and use a wide range of pesticides, all of which have standard MSDS, and most are available on-line directly from the manufacturer. Some of the general databases have out-dated versions. It's important that if you have these MSDS you suppliment the information with a full product label which gives lay-person information more clearly. Also hazard sheets are available for pesticides. The information is out there. There is a translation service, not free, for MSDS that can be accessed by doing a general web-search for MSDS. Good luck! >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Yanchisin [SMTP:mark@EHS.UFL.EDU] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 6:03 PM >> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU >> Subject: MSDSs written in Chinese? >> >> This is a request from a nursery/greenhouse enterprise located in >> mid-Florida, throughout the US and in China. They are trying to bring the >> same safety standards to their operations in China as they have here in >> the >> US. They are looking for MSDSs for pesticides, fungicides, etc., written >> in >> Chinese. They plan to use them there for training their staff. The >> manufacturers (here in the US) only have them in English. Chinese >> officials >> do not have them either. >> >> Does any one have any thoughts, ideas or references for these documents >> written in Chinese? If you do, please contact John Knauss ("Ka-nouss") at >> Speedling, INC. >> 1-800-771-2543. John will great appreciative of any and all help. >> >> On John's behalf- Thank you!! >> >> Mark Yanchisin >> Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety >> Programs >> University of Florida Env. Health and Safety >> PO Box 112195 >> Gainesville, FL 32611-2195 >> 352-846-2550 (T) >> 352-392-3414 (F) >> Mark@ehs.ufl.edu > *************************************************************** Carolyn S. Jaussi Biologist, CHO USDA ARS FRRL Utah State University 700 N 1100 E Logan UT 84322-6300 Phone: (435)-797-3222 FAX: (435)-797-3075 Email: csjaussi@cc.usu.edu *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 14:45:13 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Jeff Rubin Subject: Re: MSDSs written in Chinese? In-Reply-To: <82ACF9C810A5D211B13100A0C9EBE41EB541A9@email.uncc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've never heard of pesticides being exempt, but they are governed by other regs as well, which determine warning terms (Caution, Warning, Danger), cautionary statements, and the EPA registration number which provides a database reference for registrant, producer, and distributor. JNR >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but... >It is my understanding that pesticides are specifically exempt from >1910.1200 (Haz-comm); the standard that requires the production of MSDSs. >It is my experience that there is MSDS-esk info sheets available from >manufacturers of regulated pesticides, but they are not MSDSs, and lack >important info a MSDS would have. I used the Cornell database to retrieve a >termiticide (is that a word?) MSDS yesterday...but it was pretty lame. It >is my suspicion John will have difficulty obtaining MSDSs for pesticides in >Chinese. >sd Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS College of Natural Sciences G2500 W.C. Hogg Building University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX 78712-1199 (512) 471-6176 (O) (512) 471-4998 (F) jrubin@mail.utexas.edu http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise specified." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:49:11 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Davis, Scott" Subject: Re: MSDSs written in Chinese? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I stand corrected. I went back and took another look at Haz com. Pesticides are exempted from the labeling requirements in 1910.1200 but NOT the MSDS requirements. sd > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Rubin [SMTP:jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU] > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 3:45 PM > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU > Subject: Re: MSDSs written in Chinese? > > I've never heard of pesticides being exempt, but they are governed by > other > regs as well, which determine warning terms (Caution, Warning, Danger), > cautionary statements, and the EPA registration number which provides a > database reference for registrant, producer, and distributor. > > JNR > > >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but... > >It is my understanding that pesticides are specifically exempt from > >1910.1200 (Haz-comm); the standard that requires the production of MSDSs. > >It is my experience that there is MSDS-esk info sheets available from > >manufacturers of regulated pesticides, but they are not MSDSs, and lack > >important info a MSDS would have. I used the Cornell database to > retrieve a > >termiticide (is that a word?) MSDS yesterday...but it was pretty lame. > It > >is my suspicion John will have difficulty obtaining MSDSs for pesticides > in > >Chinese. > >sd > > > Jeff Rubin, Asst. Dean for EHS > College of Natural Sciences G2500 > W.C. Hogg Building > University of Texas at Austin > Austin, TX 78712-1199 > (512) 471-6176 (O) > (512) 471-4998 (F) > jrubin@mail.utexas.edu > http://www.utexas.edu/cons/safety/ > > "The opinions of Dr. Rubin are not meant to offend anyone unless otherwise > specified." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:58:02 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Lucy M. Zotter" Subject: Disposal of wornout smoke detectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi NACHOs We do not handle radioactive substances and therefore have no disposal procedure. What is the best way to dispose of old smoke detectors? Lucy Zotter ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:11:25 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: Disposal of wornout smoke detectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Consumer models are "exempt" sources, and may be discarded as trash in household use. If you are, say, renovating a building and generating a bunch for disposal, I suggest shipping them back to the manufacturer. We have done this with commercial detectors, and the manufacturer was pleased to receive them. I don't know if there is a change in regulatory status when you have several-to-many to dispose of, but it seemed like the responsible thing to do. Don >Hi NACHOs >We do not handle radioactive substances and therefore have no disposal >procedure. What is the best way to dispose of old smoke detectors? >Lucy Zotter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 13:27:29 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mike hinz Subject: Re: Disposal of wornout smoke detectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Return them to the manufacturer. Mike Hinz At 03:58 PM 5/27/99 -0400, you wrote: >Hi NACHOs >We do not handle radioactive substances and therefore have no disposal >procedure. What is the best way to dispose of old smoke detectors? >Lucy Zotter > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:50:37 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Laboratory Access Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" We have both hallway located ice machines and courtesy phones in our DOW Science Complex here at Central Michigan University. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:25:13 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Don Abramowitz Subject: Re: A Concern about Regulatory Agencies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A proposed solution to the concerns raised about who's minding the listserv... Begin every question/anecdote/accident report to the list with: "I have this friend who's responsible for health and safety at his(/her) institution, but he's really shy so he asked me to bring this to the group...." Don (this friend of his, anyway) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Donald Abramowitz, CIH Occupational and Environmental Safety Officer Bryn Mawr College | Swarthmore College 101 N. Merion Avenue | 500 College Avenue Bryn Mawr PA 19010 | Swarthmore PA 19081 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 15:27:38 -0700 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Nadine Grady MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BEA890.205E6CEE" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BEA890.205E6CEE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'd like to find out the approximate age of some MCB chemicals we have -- but I can't find a phone number or E-mail address for MCB (formerly Matheson, Coleman & Bell). Were they absorbed into another company? Do any of you have contact information for them? ************************************************************** Nadine B. Grady, MS, CIH Chemical Hygiene Officer, Whitworth College 300 W. Hawthorne Rd., Spokane, WA 99251-3903 Tel: (509) 777-4510 Fax: (509) 777-3221 ngrady@whitworth.edu ******************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:56:29 -0500 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Rebecca Levins, RSR Corporation" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BEA86A.4D53F460" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BEA86A.4D53F460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think MCB and WH Curtin sold out to EM Science. Best regards, Rebecca Levins Environmental, Health & Safety Compliance Specialist RSR Corporation Dallas, Texas RSRrdl@onramp.net (214) 583-0245 -----Original Message----- From: Nadine Grady [SMTP:ngrady@WHITWORTH.EDU] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 5:28 PM To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU Subject:=09 I'd like to find out the approximate age of some MCB chemicals we have = -- but I can't find a phone number or E-mail address for MCB (formerly = Matheson, Coleman & Bell). Were they absorbed into another company? Do = any of you have contact information for them? ************************************************************** Nadine B. Grady, MS, CIH Chemical Hygiene Officer, Whitworth College 300 W. Hawthorne Rd., Spokane, WA 99251-3903 Tel: (509) 777-4510 Fax: (509) 777-3221 ngrady@whitworth.edu ******************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:27:45 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Thomas J. Shelley" Subject: A Concern about Reg. Agencies--A solution ;-) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >A proposed solution to the concerns raised about who's minding the listserv... > >Begin every question/anecdote/accident report to the list with: "I have >this friend who's responsible for health and safety at his(/her) >institution, but he's really shy so he asked me to bring this to the >group...." Dear Colleagues--I think one could have a link on specific web pages of potential interest to regulators that would take them to a page extolling the level of regulatory compliance for your institution. So, the haz waste "how to" page at your site could have the phrase "Welcome State and Federal RCRA Inspectors" underlined with a link to a page that has a bulleted outline of your RCRA compliance program. This would save the regulators all the trouble of searching through various documents at your site pertaining to RCRA compliance at your institution or business!! Who knows? A page with some nice animated gifs and a few well-chosen graphics of your storage facility could eliminate RCRA inspections at your instituion for years to come. ;-) Tom Shelley P.S.: ....I know, I know... it's the Friday before a holiday weekend and I just couldn't help myslef!! ********************************************************* Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building, Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:30:07 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Julie O'Brien Subject: Re: Disposal of wornout smoke detectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >We do not handle radioactive substances and therefore have no disposal >procedure. What is the best way to dispose of old smoke detectors? When I was in junior high, my parents decided to replace the smoke detectors in our house. After they took the old ones off the wall, I, being the curious type, inspected them. That's when I discovered that smoke detectors have a radioactive component. Oh my gosh! Were they safe to touch? I became frightened. We certainly couldn't just throw them away in the trash. I knew that just couldn't be safe. So, the label said to return the detector to the store which you purchased them at. Amazingly, my parents remembered where they bought them. I put them into a baggie and took them back to the store. I went to the register closest to the smoke detector display. I then proceeded to explain to the person at the register that I had smoke detectors with radioactive stuff in them and that the label said to bring them back to the store so the store could properly dispose of them. They thought I was insane. So I showed them the label. They still thought I was insane. Then, they told me, "Oh, well, we'll take care of it for you." I'm sure they ended up in the trash. :( But I tried to do the right thing! Chemist Archimica (Florida), Inc. PO Box 1466 Gainesville, FL 32602 352-376-8246 ext. 232 Fax 352-373-7503 afn35210@afn.org Education/Exhibits Committee Volunteer EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville PO Box 5951 Gainesville, FL 32627 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:27:14 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Bill Knoop Subject: Re: MCB Chemicals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Nadine- MCB became EM Science a bunch of years ago. The last addresses I have for them was simply Cherry Hill, NJ 08034 ((609)354-9200) and 2902 Highland Ave., Cincinnati, OH 45212 ((513)631-0445). Good luck. Bill At 3:27 PM 5/27/99, Nadine Grady wrote: >I'd like to find out the approximate age of some MCB chemicals we have -- >but I can't find a phone number or E-mail address for MCB (formerly >Matheson, Coleman & Bell). Were they absorbed into another company? Do any >of you have contact information for them? > >************************************************************** >Nadine B. Grady, MS, CIH >Chemical Hygiene Officer, Whitworth College >300 W. Hawthorne Rd., Spokane, WA 99251-3903 >Tel: (509) 777-4510 Fax: (509) 777-3221 >ngrady@whitworth.edu >******************************************************************* > >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:Untitled (????/----) (000417D2) Bill Knoop Laboratory Safety Officer The College of Staten Island 2800 Victory Boulevard, 6S-233 Staten Island, NY 10314-6600 VOX: (718) 982-3928 FAX: (718) 982-3910 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:38:56 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: "Ralph Stuart, University of Vermont" Subject: Re: A Concern about Reg. Agencies--A solution ;-) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > So, the haz >waste "how to" page at your site could have the phrase "Welcome State >and Federal RCRA Inspectors" underlined with a link to a page that >has a bulleted outline of your RCRA compliance program. This would >save the regulators all the trouble of searching through various documents >at your site pertaining to RCRA compliance at your institution or business!! Well, whether or not the regulators visit it, it will certainly raise the awareness of the people in the labs! - Ralph Ralph Stuart, CIH Environmental Safety Manager University of Vermont 655 Spear St., PO Box 50570 Burlington, VT 05405 rstuart@esf.uvm.edu fax: (802)656-5407 Owner: SAFETY list (general discussion of environmental health and safety) LEPC list (planning for hazardous materials emergencies) LAB-XL list (performance oriented enviromental regulation of laboratories) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:06:43 -0600 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Smith Subject: Training Opportunities In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am looking for a good seminar/workshop etc. that is on for June, July or early August and deals with the particular issues of hazardous waste, chemical storage compatabilities or general academic lab safety issues. I am a "graduate" of Jim's Lab Safety Workshop for those who would make the most obvious suggestion. Any others ya'll know of? (Respond to my email please) - smithme@mercury.hendrix.edu ``````````` Thanks ```````````` ms *************************************** MARK SMITH HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY LABORATORY COORDINATOR CHEMICAL HYGIENE OFFICER NRCC-CHO *************************************** 1600 Washington Ave Conway, AR 72032 501-450-3812 Fax : 501-450-3829 *************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:07:55 -0400 Reply-To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List From: Mark Yanchisin Subject: Re: More Experienced Members MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Greetings fellow NACHOs! In my 12+ years of doing safety and haz waste in academia and a previous 5 in the pharmaceutical industry, it is very painfully obvious that academia is much more difficult and demanding. I will have to estimate that an estimated 20-35% of my time is spent doing PR (public relations) work to justify my programs, back up my staff and convince very highly educated, but narrow focused educators that all aspects of safety are important and that they must comply. Most researchers just do not realize that these regulations apply to them too OR maybe more importantly- they do, but don't think they will ever be under scrutiny by the regulating agencies, and if they are- the university's umbrella will protect them. My biggest convincers are the photo copies of articles I readily give to them and then summarize for them before I leave. These are: - "Toxic Dispute costs Stanford $1 million", SCIENCE, Vol. 266 Oct. 14, 1994 - "EPA Targets Safety Hazards in College Labs", Wall Street Journal, Legal Beat, Page B1, Feb. 27, 1996 ( Yale being fines &$348,000) - "EPA Begins Campaign to Force New England Colleges to ..." Chronicle of Higher Ed., March 16, 1999 (Boston U, Yale, UNH being investigated and fined) - The article about Columbia getting hit which I can't site, as I can't find it. (Please don't ask for copies, as I can't put them on our WebPages or send them out. They have to be available on the WWW somewhere.) Now I know that these are primarily the EPA hitting on fellow schools, but I use them as a demonstration that not only does EPA come in, but OHSA can/will follow. I also remind the lab folks that all the EPA and OSHA documents and citations are public domain and could be accessed by anyone- including the folks who provide mega bucks for grants etc. Citations may mean they loose funds. Lastly, I ask that if these regulators hit Stanford on the west coast and the New England/New York areas, does anyone think they will head south to a large and multi research orientated school like us here at U of FL? Fortunately- this approach has worked, but in my heart it hurts to have to use it!! The only real other thing that helps with recalcitrant labs is to make the safety compliance process easy and painless for them. My group will do almost everything we can to bring folks into compliance- handholding, guiding, training, providing all the training tools for them to use, calling in work orders ... Lastly- I am absolutely blessed that one of our Chemistry professors was at Stanford and jumped through the hoops they had to to mitigate the fines and citations. She has told the rest of the Chem dept (our biggest lab department on campus with 48 PIs and 157 labs) that it was not fun, cost huge amounts of $ and time, no one in their right mind would want to go through it and that what I and the rest of EHS was saying was right. She is a huge allie of my program and I will do anything to keep her happy!! (Especially as she is now an Associate Dean!!). An aside- if you get a chance to recruit or hire someone from these schools and have lived through the "hoops" or at least have them speak to your researches- do it. There is nothing like true life war stories from someone who lived them. My 10 cents- for what it is worth!! Good luck to all! Mark Yanchisin Coordinator for Clinical and Lab Safety Programs University of Florida Env. Health and Safety PO Box 112190 Gainesville, F