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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:29:08 -0500
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From: Howard Spencer <SpencerH@ABSECON.DCS-EXXIS.COM>
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Hi Dr. Jim. You do not know me but I too used to work for Mobil like it
says in the front of your book which I own and refer to regularly in my
consulting practice. I would like to stay in touch. Regards Howard. I
am one of Dr. Jim's Associates.
> ----------
> From: Chang, Jim C[SMTP:jcc11472@GLAXOWELLCOME.COM]
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> Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: picric acid
>
> Teresa
>
> It very well may be a hazardous situation. Dried picric acid crystals
> are
> very sensitive to shock and can detonate. Your situation is worsened
> by
> having a glass bottle. The ground glass stopper is a sure way to
> grind the
> crystals; the glass bottle can become shrapnel.
>
> The safest solution is to call in someone that routinely handles this
> type
> item; a good hazmat contractor (e.g., AETS or OHM Corporation) has
> trained
> people. You could also try the local bomb squad; they have been less
> and
> less willing to take chemicals as the environmental types crack down
> on
> their ranges though.
>
> If you're into do it yourself work, you can very cautiously invert the
> bottle into a container of water. The water works its way into the
> crystals
> gradually hydrating them. This is a very dicey operation and should
> not be
> attempted unless you've done this type of work before. VERY
> HAZARDOUS.
>
> Standard disclaimer
>
> Jim Chang
> Safety Engineer
>
>
>
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> From: Teresa Robertson
> [SMTP:Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU]
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 1998 4:09 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: picric acid
>
> Scenerio - you find in a cabinet, a bottle containing a dilute
> solution
> of picric acid, several years old, in a glass bottle with a
> ground-glass stopper. The solution is very yellow, and there
> is an
> encrustation of dry yellow material accumulated on the
> stopper.
> What
> would you do? Is this a dangerous situation? TRR
>
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 08:33:36 EST
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I've hesitated reponding to this thread, not wanting to appear as an Unsafe
NACHO.
Madelyn Miller makes some good points, and my own personal experiences
with picric acid range from working with the bomb squad, to stabilizing it
myself. Every container needs to be evaluated based on its condition. Here
at Univ. of Connecticut we even developed a remote opening device. I think
the decision to either call in the experts or to soak it depends on your level
of expertise in evaluating the container AND its history. Remember that the
DRY material, and its metal salts are the shock sensitive culprits. Bretherick
states that picric acid of sufficient purity (usually found in labs) is not
considered unduly hazardous in regard to sensitivity.
These comments are not meant to trivialize the dangers inherent in picric acid,
and I'm not advocating the practice of lab workers stabilizing containers. A
true chemist/CHO respects chemicals and their properties. I've attended
explosives training seminars put on by bomb squad personnel, and they have
asked me for input during the training- it's a mutual learning experience.
Stefan Wawzyniecki, CIH, CCHO
University of Connecticut
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:11:21 -0600
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From: Kenneth REINEBACH <kenneth.reinebach@CCMAIL.ADP.WISC.EDU>
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Regarding this bit of news below on ACS policies, I have some questions:
Why was the former policy was retracted and replaced with
a policy in support of contact lenses?
What evidence was used to support contact lens use in laboratories?
Date: 3/30/98 11:40 PM
The American Chemical Society Joint Board/Council
Committee on Chemical Safety vothed this morning at
the national meeting in Dallas to remove it's prohibition
against the wearing of contact lenses in labs.
The next issue of "Safety in Academic Chemistry
Laboratories" will have a new statement which endorses
the use of contact lenses when all other appropriate forms
of eye protection are used. ....jak
---Ken Reinebach, CIH
University of Wisconsin-Madison, Safety Department
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:06:00 -0600
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From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
Subject: Re: ACS OKs Contact Lenses
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At 11:11 AM 4/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Regarding this bit of news below on ACS policies, I have some questions:
>Why was the former policy was retracted and replaced with
> a policy in support of contact lenses?
> What evidence was used to support contact lens use in laboratories?
>
Ken,
Sounds like you might be a little behind in your "current topics" reading.
I know I am. Anyway, there were two yoeman research articles last year in
Chemical Health and Safety discussing this issue. Since I'm in the middle
of a move here at work, all my journals are in a box...somewhere, and I
can't find the exact references. There's only six issues to CH&S, so if
your library has it, get them all. The research showed that there was no
real hazard to workers in the lab wearing contacts as long as the
prescribed eye protection was worn. One was written by Eilene Segal and
the other (the next issue) was written by an optomitrist or opthamalogist,
my poor spelling not withstanding. If you don't get CH&S, give ACS a call
and get it...it's fantastic for chemical safety.
Additionally, OHSA made a similar determination with an interpretation
awhile back for firefighters wearing SCBAs. From what I understand, they
didn't change the regulation prohibiting contacts in SCBA's but they made
that portion un-finable.
Hope that helps.
Harry Elston
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 13:16:00 -0600
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From: "Fletcher, Bob" <fletcher@CAMPBELL-EMH5.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: OSHA Interpretations
Hello Friends, have been on the "list" since early inception, but never
made intro. I manage environmental training at a military installation.
Don't have direct relationship with labs, but enjoy gaining more
knowledge.
Based on some of the server questions and answers, I wanted to share the
OSHA web site for interpretations which you may find helpful for your
specific questions:
http://www.osha-slc.gov/ . If you should have problems , the main site
is www.osha.gov.
Regards,
Bob Fletcher, CET, CHMM
Envrionmental Training
Ft. Campbell, KY
502-798-9614
Fax: 502-798-9606
email work: fletcher@campbell-emh5.army.mil
home: romaland@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:40:53 EST
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In a message dated 98-04-01 12:21:00 EST, Kenneth Reinback wrote:
<< Why was the former policy was retracted and replaced with
a policy in support of contact lenses? What evidence was
used to support contact lens use in laboratories? >>
JAK: Members of the ACS Joint/Board Council Committee on
Chemical Safety have been investigating the issue for the past
five years (not a group to take precipitous action!). The efforts
were coordinated by Eileen Segal (EBSEGAL@AOL.COM).
Eileen published her finding in 1995 and 1997 (may/june issue)
of Chemical Health and Safety. The evidence and reasons were
laid out fairly concisely in those two articles. In short, most of
the agruments raised in the past were found to be unsubstantiated
rumors and conjecture.
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:41:31 EST
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In a message dated 98-03-25 19:24:44 EST, Debbie Decker wrote:
<< A small request - if we could tailor the subject lines a little better,
it would be most helpful..... >>
JAK: This sounds like a good idea to me. I've tried to do it in the
subject line of this message to see if I could make this more
explicit.
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:42:27 EST
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In a message dated 98-04-01 14:00:16 EST, you write:
<< Hello Friends, have been on the "list" since early inception,
but never made intro. >>
JAK: Many of the now nearly 400 NACHO members have not yet
introduced themselves to their colleagues. It would be great
if some of the folks who have just been reading would take a
five minutes to say hi, what you do (or if you prefer, what you
are supposed to be doing), and what you want from NACHO.
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:42:04 EST
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JAK: Several years ago we discovered a bottle of picric acid
that had gone dry. The explosives division of the State Fire
Marshall's office was called.
A gentleman from their office came out, wrapped the bottle in
a paper towel, put the bottle in his coat pocket and walked
out! Wow...
More recently, I assisted this department remove some chemicals
from a college storeroom. This time the material was old ether with
no visible signs of peroxide crystals. The gentleman wore a full bomb
suit and detonated the bottle with C4 in a hole he dug in the lawn!
Go figure!
Then, about two years ago, one of the major chemical distributors
asked me to write an SOP for disposal of picric acid.
This is not the kind of advice for which I enjoy being responsible
(with or without pay)!
So (not wanting to lose the farm), I called the major manufacturers of
picric acid and asked for their advice. They refused!
Therefore, so did I.
Now having said that.... I vote with Madelyn to soak the bottle (upside
down) in a bucket of water.
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 23:42:29 EST
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From: Labsafe <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Health and Safety Pledge
Comments: To: Safety <SAFETY@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>,
nsela-l@science.coe.uwf.edu, dchas-l@SIU.EDU,
chemlab_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu, chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu,
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This modest proposal is somewhere between Jonathan Swift and
Mark Twain who said.... "Humor is the lighter side of truth."
I think it's time to build an honor roll of college and university Presidents
who are willing to sign the "Health and Safety Pledge"....
"At our institution, you will not have a job and not be a student unless
you are willing to follow recognized good practice and obey the laws of
health, safety, and environmental protection."
Could an academic institution achieve a significant strategic advantage
or simply shoot itself in the foot? ... jim
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:15:03 +0000
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From: Andrew Szilagyi <Andrew.Szilagyi@EM.DOE.GOV>
Subject: Re: Health and Safety Pledge
Just about all corporate H&S Programs/Policies have this king of
statement (whether actual accountability is maintained is another
question). With some minor edits, your proposal is sound.
andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
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Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
Date: 4/1/98 11:42 PM
This modest proposal is somewhere between Jonathan Swift and
Mark Twain who said.... "Humor is the lighter side of truth."
I think it's time to build an honor roll of college and university Presidents
who are willing to sign the "Health and Safety Pledge"....
"At our institution, you will not have a job and not be a student unless
you are willing to follow recognized good practice and obey the laws of
health, safety, and environmental protection."
Could an academic institution achieve a significant strategic advantage
or simply shoot itself in the foot? ... jim
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James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
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organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 06:21:08 -0600
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From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
Subject: Re: Health and Safety Pledge
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At 11:42 PM 4/1/98 EST, you wrote:
>This modest proposal is somewhere between Jonathan Swift and
>Mark Twain who said.... "Humor is the lighter side of truth."
>
>I think it's time to build an honor roll of college and university Presidents
>who are willing to sign the "Health and Safety Pledge"....
>
>"At our institution, you will not have a job and not be a student unless
>you are willing to follow recognized good practice and obey the laws of
>health, safety, and environmental protection."
>
>Could an academic institution achieve a significant strategic advantage
>or simply shoot itself in the foot? ... jim
>
Jim,
I'm going to go out on a limb a little here and expand the discussion to
non-academic institutions.
I suspect, based on experience, that a statement like this would not fly
too far in my current organization. I believe that it would get a lot of
flack not only from the union but also from the management side of the
house as well. I get the real feeling that we live in such a
litigation-happy society that hard-core statements like the one above,
although a great idea in principle, just won't make out of the "safety
committee" to the #1 Boss' Desk.
Great idea though....
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
My opinions only, not my employers, blah, blah, blah
"One more anal-probing, gyro-pyro, levatating
eco-plasm, alien anti-matter story and I'm gonna
take my gun out and shoot somebody."
-Fox Mulder
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:04:18 +0800
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From: Martin Lindsay <clarke@WEB.NET.AU>
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G'day folks
I am Chief Chemist at a commercial Australian mineral assay laboratory in
Perth Western Australia.
We service the exploration and mining industry and provide chemical
analysis using Fire Assay, Atomic Absorption, ICP and ICP-MS techniques. We
have recently added an oil and gas section using GC.
As chairman of the safety committee I trust that this List will add to our
resource pool which includes Australian Standards, Statutary bodies,
private consultants, and other internet resources, eg Worksafe.
Our primary concerns are manual handling issues in sample receipt and
preparation, exposure to noise, dust and hazardous dusts, eg asbestos
minerals, silca during sample prearation, exposure to lead and heat in the
fire assay process, and chemical exposure in the wet chemical processes.
We use large volumes of concentrated mineral acids including hydrochloric,
nitric, perchloric and hydrofluoric acid.
The use of organic solvents is limited but will expand with the oil and gas
work.
I believe the internet is an excellent global source of information and a
medium for exchange of information, and Occ. Health and safety is one of
many categories which should exploit the net.
Martin Lindsay
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We have a perchloric acid hood that we would like to use as a general chemical
fume hood. People in the lab have not used it as a perchloric acid hood for
at least the past 15 years. The hood has not been used during this time.
There is air flow through the hood, but it has a flood light of all things as
its light source. Any suggestions on "certification" that the hood is "safe
for use" or should this be a consideration.
Mike Miller
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 07:40:42 -0600
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At 08:00 AM 4/2/98 EST, you wrote:
>We have a perchloric acid hood that we would like to use as a general
chemical
>fume hood. People in the lab have not used it as a perchloric acid hood for
>at least the past 15 years. The hood has not been used during this time.
>There is air flow through the hood, but it has a flood light of all things as
>its light source. Any suggestions on "certification" that the hood is
"safe
>for use" or should this be a consideration.
>
>Mike Miller
>
Mike,
If the perchloric acid hood is made of stainless used for HCl or nitric
acid digestions, you will destroy it. Speaking from experience here...we
have two which are REALLY rusty...now.
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 10:19:27 -0600
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From: Dave Peterson <dave_peterson@QMGATE.ANL.GOV>
Subject: Re: Introducing Yourself
Reply to: RE>Introducing Yourself
NACHO members,
Still being a NACHO member that is anonymous to date, I decided it was time to introduce
myself. I am an ES&H Coordinator at Argonne National Laboratory in the Environmental
Research Division. My academic background is a B. S. Biochemistry from Univ. of Illinois,
M. S. Biology from Illinois Instiute of Technology. I'm also a CHMM and ASP. In my prior
life I conducted research on heavy metals in a toxicology laboratory (17 years).
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the information exchange taking place on this
listserver. I believe that this activity will progress to a more formal organization in
the future. The knowledge and experience expressed by the NACHO members so far is
extensive. Thanks for all the good information - I hope that I can contribute some in
return.
Early on in my transition to ES&H administration I attended the Laboratory Safety
Workshop presented by Jim A Kaufman. The workshop was an excellent introduction to the
immense amount of information needed by chemical hygiene officers and safety professionals
(I wonder what the going rate is for testimonials - I guess I'll settle for information).
Looking forward to learning and sharing -
P. S. I have to agree with Madelyn on the fate of the picric acid solution - soaking in
water to hydrate or dissolve the crystals. That is unless you have an unlimited budget and
can afford to shift the risk to a local bomb squad.
Standard disclaimer- my opinion, not my employer's...
David P. Peterson
Environmental Research Division
Argonne National Laboratory
dppeterson@anl.gov
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Jim,
Not that easy. I clicked "reply" and it goes to the list.
Why is that a problem?
B
Labsafe wrote:
> To: NACHO Members
> From: Jim Kaufman
>
> I have two suggestions to offer to members of the Association
> concerning the use of our discussion list. Please .....
>
> (1) Send messages like "Great Idea" and "I agree" directly to
> the person you wish to agree with or praise unless you feel
> there is a good reason for others to know how you feel. And....
>
> (2) Quote only the portion of a prior message needed to convey
> the relevance of your added comments.
>
> As our membership continues to grow, observing these two
> suggestions will help to keep the content value of LABSAFETY-L
> high. Thanks. ...jak
>
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> Safety in Science Education
>
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
> organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
> important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
> Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
> schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
> LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
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>G'day folks
Wow, we're international! Do other countries have laws equivalent to
our "Lab Standard" that call for a CHO (or equivalent)? If NACHO is
the "National Assn. of CHO's", do we already need to become a
subsidiary? Do we have something better for an acronym than " IACHO"
(International Association of Chemical Hygiene Officers)?
How do we get the word out to the scientific communities in those
states in the US that are not covered by the Lab Standard?
>I am Chief Chemist at a commercial Australian mineral assay laboratory
>in
>Perth Western Australia.
>We service the exploration and mining industry and provide chemical
>analysis using Fire Assay, Atomic Absorption, ICP and ICP-MS
>techniques. We
>have recently added an oil and gas section using GC.
>As chairman of the safety committee I trust that this List will add to
>our
>resource pool which includes Australian Standards, Statutary bodies,
>private consultants, and other internet resources, eg Worksafe.
>Our primary concerns are manual handling issues in sample receipt and
>preparation, exposure to noise, dust and hazardous dusts, eg asbestos
>minerals, silca during sample prearation, exposure to lead and heat in
>the
>fire assay process, and chemical exposure in the wet chemical processes.
>We use large volumes of concentrated mineral acids including
>hydrochloric,
>nitric, perchloric and hydrofluoric acid.
>The use of organic solvents is limited but will expand with the oil and
>gas
>work.
>I believe the internet is an excellent global source of information and
>a
>medium for exchange of information, and Occ. Health and safety is one of
>many categories which should exploit the net.
>Martin Lindsay
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Jerry,
Just an FYI This is Jim Kaufman setting up a CHO group.
Lou
At 06:21 AM 4/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>At 11:42 PM 4/1/98 EST, you wrote:
>>This modest proposal is somewhere between Jonathan Swift and
>>Mark Twain who said.... "Humor is the lighter side of truth."
>>
>>I think it's time to build an honor roll of college and university
Presidents
>>who are willing to sign the "Health and Safety Pledge"....
>>
>>"At our institution, you will not have a job and not be a student unless
>>you are willing to follow recognized good practice and obey the laws of
>>health, safety, and environmental protection."
>>
>>Could an academic institution achieve a significant strategic advantage
>>or simply shoot itself in the foot? ... jim
>>
>Jim,
>
>I'm going to go out on a limb a little here and expand the discussion to
>non-academic institutions.
>
>I suspect, based on experience, that a statement like this would not fly
>too far in my current organization. I believe that it would get a lot of
>flack not only from the union but also from the management side of the
>house as well. I get the real feeling that we live in such a
>litigation-happy society that hard-core statements like the one above,
>although a great idea in principle, just won't make out of the "safety
>committee" to the #1 Boss' Desk.
>
>Great idea though....
>
>Harry
>
>
>Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
>Chemical Hygiene Officer
>Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
>My opinions only, not my employers, blah, blah, blah
>
>"One more anal-probing, gyro-pyro, levatating
>eco-plasm, alien anti-matter story and I'm gonna
>take my gun out and shoot somebody."
> -Fox Mulder
>
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As per Jim's request:
Douglas S. Cody, CSP
Nassau Community College
Chemistry Department
1 Education Drive
Garden City, NY 11530
516-572-7986
codyd@sunynassau.edu
I am the Health and Safety Officer for the Chemistry Department at Nassau
Community College. I have held this posiiton since 1986. Additionally, I
represent all full time teaching and non-teaching faculty as the chairperson
of the union's Health & Safety Committee. As a teaching facuIty member I am
actively involved in curriculum development and have authored of two general
chemistry laboratory manuals. Professionally, I am a member of the American
Chemical Society's Health & Safety and Education Divisions. I hold full
membership in the ACGIH and the Metropolitan Chapter of the AIHA.
Additionally, I am a member of the ASSE and hold the position of Secretary for
the Long Island Chapter. I look forward to my active participation in the
NACHO.
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As Jim has requested, I will introduce myself to the list.
My name is Mark Smith and I work at/with/for Hendrix College in Conway,
Arkansas as the Chemistry Laboratory Coordinator and the Campus Chemcial
Hygiene Officer.
I am relatively new to the saftey profession but I have spent the last year
gaining some experience through workshops such as LSI and others. I took my
CHO certification exam at Dallas last weekend.
Although I am still very involved with the technical themes of runnning an
academic chemistry department, I see my job steadily evolving to safety
related tasks in the department and in other areas on campus.
Glad to be a part of NACHO!
Keep up the good work!
Mark Smith
Hendrix College
16000 Washington Ave
Conway, AR 72032
><< Hello Friends, have been on the "list" since early inception,
> but never made intro. >>
>
>JAK: Many of the now nearly 400 NACHO members have not yet
> introduced themselves to their colleagues. It would be great
> if some of the folks who have just been reading would take a
> five minutes to say hi, what you do (or if you prefer, what you
> are supposed to be doing), and what you want from NACHO.
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
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At 01:04 PM 4/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Jerry,
>
>Just an FYI This is Jim Kaufman setting up a CHO group.
>
>Lou
Hi Lou,
We met at Landsdown at the end of January. I was just commenting on Jim's
safety statement and how I don't believe it would fly around my current
workplace. (We tried a similar one, but the union got really bent, then
the lawyers got really bent, then we scrapped the entire idea.)
How's things at MIT?
Harry
>At 06:21 AM 4/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>At 11:42 PM 4/1/98 EST, you wrote:
>>>This modest proposal is somewhere between Jonathan Swift and
>>>Mark Twain who said.... "Humor is the lighter side of truth."
>>>
>>>I think it's time to build an honor roll of college and university
>Presidents
>>>who are willing to sign the "Health and Safety Pledge"....
>>>
>>>"At our institution, you will not have a job and not be a student unless
>>>you are willing to follow recognized good practice and obey the laws of
>>>health, safety, and environmental protection."
>>>
>>>Could an academic institution achieve a significant strategic advantage
>>>or simply shoot itself in the foot? ... jim
>>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>I'm going to go out on a limb a little here and expand the discussion to
>>non-academic institutions.
>>
>>I suspect, based on experience, that a statement like this would not fly
>>too far in my current organization. I believe that it would get a lot of
>>flack not only from the union but also from the management side of the
>>house as well. I get the real feeling that we live in such a
>>litigation-happy society that hard-core statements like the one above,
>>although a great idea in principle, just won't make out of the "safety
>>committee" to the #1 Boss' Desk.
>>
>>Great idea though....
>>
>>Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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I've had the double pleasure of meeting Jim Kaufman and joining NACHO in
one week.
I'm Asst. Dean for EHS in the College of Natural Sciences, Univ. of Texas
at Austin. My position was created specifically to address safety,
particularly lab safety issues in labs within the college, following a few
unfortunate incidents. We have 13 departments in the College, along with a
number of organized research units (semi-autonomous), > 20 buildings, ~
12,000 students, faculty, and staff. My position is separate from (but
works closely with) our Office of EHS.
I started 8/97; prior to that I had no formal EHS experience. My
background is research, emergency planning, and public safety (fire, EMS,
hazmat response). I'm working on tackling basic issues (yes on safety
glasses, no on sandals) and more complex ones (chemical management plans).
Much to learn. I'll probably be asking folks for suggestions for a
semester-long lab safety & chemical hygiene class I'm putting together for
the first time this Fall. If there are any NEHA members out there, see you
at the June meeting.
It's exciting to be part of an international organization, but does anyone
else think that IACHO sounds like a sneeze?
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
Campus mail: WCH 2.322 G2500
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
(512) 875-2100 (Pager)
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NACHO Members,
I have formed a NACHO Steering Committee to help with
the growth and development of the association. The committee
consists of all NACHO members who are willing to help (work).
So far, a few folks have expressed (either in public or private) that
they would like to help. They are....
JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU (Janeen LaPierre)
innocent@ICI.NET (Guy Innocente)
cdawley@TRANSPORT.COM (Cheryl Dawley)
rburns@bigfoot.com (Bob Burns)
BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM (Kathy Benedict)
If you are interested in working on some aspect of the growth
and development of the association, let any of us know so we
can get you involved.
The committee is currently working on establishing some goals
for NACHO (six month, one year, and three to five years). Any
suggestions?
*****************************************************
James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
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I'll help, as I can ...
Neal
At 06:43 PM 4/2/98 EST, you wrote:
>NACHO Members,
>
>I have formed a NACHO Steering Committee to help with
>the growth and development of the association. The committee
>consists of all NACHO members who are willing to help (work).
>
>So far, a few folks have expressed (either in public or private) that
>they would like to help. They are....
>
>JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU (Janeen LaPierre)
>innocent@ICI.NET (Guy Innocente)
>cdawley@TRANSPORT.COM (Cheryl Dawley)
>rburns@bigfoot.com (Bob Burns)
>BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM (Kathy Benedict)
>
>If you are interested in working on some aspect of the growth
>and development of the association, let any of us know so we
>can get you involved.
>
>The committee is currently working on establishing some goals
>for NACHO (six month, one year, and three to five years). Any
>suggestions?
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
>The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
>organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
>important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
>Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
>schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
>LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
>
>
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HI Jim,
Just let me what I can do.
Sorry I missed breakfast on Tuesday- I was out with my daughter the night before
and overslept.
Bob
Labsafe wrote:
> NACHO Members,
>
> I have formed a NACHO Steering Committee to help with
> the growth and development of the association. The committee
> consists of all NACHO members who are willing to help (work).
>
> So far, a few folks have expressed (either in public or private) that
> they would like to help. They are....
>
> JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU (Janeen LaPierre)
> innocent@ICI.NET (Guy Innocente)
> cdawley@TRANSPORT.COM (Cheryl Dawley)
> rburns@bigfoot.com (Bob Burns)
> BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM (Kathy Benedict)
>
> If you are interested in working on some aspect of the growth
> and development of the association, let any of us know so we
> can get you involved.
>
> The committee is currently working on establishing some goals
> for NACHO (six month, one year, and three to five years). Any
> suggestions?
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
> organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
> important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
> Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
> schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
> LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
--
Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
Ruetgers-Nease Corp.
201 Struble Road
State College, PA
phone 8142319214
fax 8142381567
email rburns@bigfoot.com
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In a message dated 98-04-02 09:04:27 EST, Robert Latsch wrote:
<< A few years ago my son was in high school. At that time I went to the
school to visit. While discussing my son with his teachers, our talk
turned to laboratory saftey and waste disposal.
Waste disposal at the school consists of pouring all experiments down the
sanitary sewer once completed. I could not convince the school or the
teachers that this was improper.
During the spring, It was a hot day. So the chemistry lab teacher allowed
the students to bring water for drinking into the chemistry labs while
doing experiments.
Unfortunately both incidents are true. This points to an unpleasant truth.
We cannot assume that school environments are as safe as we would like.
This is not a matter of negligence. This is a matter of what the teachers
have been taught. Many schools do not have people schooled in laboratory
safety. This means that the teachers are on their own. Do not be surprised
when this happens. The schools are playing catch up. >>
JAK: From my experience, the actions you describe above, if they resulted
in a student being injured would result in a finding of negligence in most
courts by most juries. Negligence is the failure to behave the way a
reasonable prudent person would behave which causes injury or damages.
And, pouring your stuff down the drain can result in big fines and jail time.
Playing catch up may be what's going on but it no excuse for irresponsible
and criminal behavior.
The time has come to stop saying "gee wiz", "gosh", "golly",
"oh my" and
get to work.
In life, we find the time for the things we care about... our family, our
friends,
our faith, our hobbies, our work. Take your pick. If health, safety and
environmental affairs is important to one, one finds time for it. What this
is
really about is priorities! If you care about something, you find the time,
pay
the price, make the sacrifice.
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In a message dated 98-04-02 13:20:05 EST, you write:
<< How do we get the word out to the scientific communities in those
states in the US that are not covered by the Lab Standard? >>
JAK: I thought all states were covered (at least for the private sector).
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Jim,
Although I am not a laboratory type (my experience is H&S and
technical work on Supe
fund sites-15 years; and H&S etal at the Dept
of Energy-7 years), I can help some.
andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
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Date: 4/2/98 6:43 PM
NACHO Members,
I have formed a NACHO Steering Committee to help with
the growth and development of the association. The committee
consists of all NACHO members who are willing to help (work).
So far, a few folks have expressed (either in public or private) that
they would like to help. They are....
JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU (Janeen LaPierre)
innocent@ICI.NET (Guy Innocente)
cdawley@TRANSPORT.COM (Cheryl Dawley)
rburns@bigfoot.com (Bob Burns)
BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM (Kathy Benedict)
If you are interested in working on some aspect of the growth
and development of the association, let any of us know so we
can get you involved.
The committee is currently working on establishing some goals
for NACHO (six month, one year, and three to five years). Any
suggestions?
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James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
schedule, and membership information are available on request.
LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:58:57 -0500
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We can only help those who wish to be helped, and educate the rest. Nice to see
the trend to more safety education in the universities. WE in industry have had
to safety train people for years.
Labsafe wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-02 13:20:05 EST, you write:
>
> << How do we get the word out to the scientific communities in those
> states in the US that are not covered by the Lab Standard? >>
>
> JAK: I thought all states were covered (at least for the private sector).
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
> organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
> important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
> Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
> schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
> LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
--
Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
Ruetgers-Nease Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
fax 814-238-1567
email rburns@bigfoot.com
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:38:00 -0500
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We are looking at providing our faculty with self-audit forms, a
mini-inspection that gives them something to go by when they look through
their labs.
Is anyone using this type of 'reminder'?
Does it work?
I would like to see examples of other self-audit forms. Please attach as
files or send urls if they are on the Net.
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:41:10 -0500
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WE do a monthly inspection, by a rotating team of two. WE are an industrial
lab. I'll be glad to send along the forms if anyone is interested.
bob
Dewey Williams wrote:
> We are looking at providing our faculty with self-audit forms, a
> mini-inspection that gives them something to go by when they look through
> their labs.
>
> Is anyone using this type of 'reminder'?
>
> Does it work?
>
> I would like to see examples of other self-audit forms. Please attach as
> files or send urls if they are on the Net.
>
> Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
> mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
> UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
> "These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
--
Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
Ruetgers-Nease Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
fax 814-238-1567
email rburns@bigfoot.com
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:54:41 -0500
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Greetings All,
I have volunteered at my daughter's high school to construct inventory,
gather MSD sheets, and insure proper storage. The chemistry teacher
has welcomed any and all the help she can get. I recommend getting
involved with local public schools. Every one I've ever looked at
could use help. I think if one takes the approach of offering your
services they are very receptive. My two cents.
Madelyn
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:22:29 -0600
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Hi all,
First a big Mea Culpa and a thousand pardons for the personal message I
sent yesterday to Lou. I simply screwed up and didn't check after I hit
the "reply" button as to where it was going.
I'm the CHO for the Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety. I am one of
those "collateral duty" CHO's as I am also a bench chemist doing analytical
radiochemistry on environmental sample. I've been a CHO since 1991. In my
previous life, I've been a US Naval nuclear engineering officer where I
specialized in radiation safety and power plant chemistry, in addition to
making ships go through the water. I'm a big believer in making safety a
consensus as opposed to it being a dictated way of life. I believe that
laboratory safety and R&D/ bench work are not mutually exclusive.
Well, there ya go! If anyone has questions, make sure you don't respond to
the list! (Yes, I'm also a bit cynical as well.)
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:22:44 -0500
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From: "Wheeler Conover, Southeast CC" <ewcono0@POP.UKY.EDU>
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>We are looking at providing our faculty with self-audit forms, a
>mini-inspection that gives them something to go by when they look through
>their labs.
>
>Is anyone using this type of 'reminder'?
>
> Does it work?
We basically do self inspections before state inspections occur. Generally,
the self inspections come about a month before the yearly state inspection;
however, with a new governance system for Kentucky's community colleges, we
don't have any idea how the new system will work. In any case, it tends to
identify errors beforehand (or cover up any illegal messes!!). I too would
be willing to see any self-audit forms. Having done graduate work in
radiochemistry, we had to stay in self-audit mode constantly.
Wheeler Conover, Ph. D.
Safety Officer/Chemistry Instructor
Southeast CC
Cumberland, KY
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 07:23:21 -0600
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Madelyn Miller wrote
>Greetings All,
>I have volunteered at my daughter's high school to construct inventory,
>gather MSD sheets, and insure proper storage. The chemistry teacher
>has welcomed any and all the help she can get. I recommend getting
>involved with local public schools.
>
As one of those high school teachers who teaches different classes (along
with sharing my room with another science teacher), I can say that any help
along the lines that Ms. Miller suggests would greatly be appreciated.
I have tried to become more safety conscious each year. Lists such as
this one are helpful, switching to a mostly microscale approach and reading
of safety procedures are making a difference in my lab setting.
Mike
Mike Gantz
McCall-Donnelly Schools ( Home of Barb Morgan-Teacher soon to be in space)
mgantz@cyberhighway.net
McCall, Idaho 83638
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:52:42 -0500
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Greetings All,
I have a laboratory audit form that is used by EH&S yearly but
individual labs use it for their own audits. It is in FileMakerPro, a
data-base, and I don't know how to send it via e-mail. If anyone
would like a copy, send me your snail mail address and I will mail one
to you. Send me e-mail to me personally and not to the list. Thanks
that will limit the clutter.
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:59:29 -0500
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Here is the address for the form that we use at Colgate:
http://offices.colgate.edu/chemmgt/LSSprogram.htm
How well it works is directly related to the conscientiousness of the
laboratory supervisor.
Dennis Edwards
Environmental Health and Safety Coordinator
Colgate University
SB-4 McGregory Hall
Hamilton, NY 13346
315-228-7994
http://offices.colgate.edu/chemmgt/
> ----------
> We are looking at providing our faculty with self-audit forms, a
> mini-inspection that gives them something to go by when they look
> through
> their labs.
>
> Is anyone using this type of 'reminder'?
>
> Does it work?
>
> I would like to see examples of other self-audit forms. Please attach
> as
> files or send urls if they are on the Net.
>
> Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
> mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
> UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
> "These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
>
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:26:49 -0600
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From: Kenneth REINEBACH <kenneth.reinebach@CCMAIL.ADP.WISC.EDU>
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Greetings fellow NACHOS,
I've been a lurker on this list for a while and I find it more worthwhile
than other lists I've tried. April 1 marks my eight year anniversary as Senior
Chemical Safety Specialist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Before
that, I taught AHERA asbestos certfication training programs for a year and a
half. before that, I was in graduate school. I received a Master of Public
Health degree in August, 1987 inn Environmental and Occupational Heath Sciences
from the University of Illinois at Chicago's School of Public Health. Before
that, I worked as a field chemist for a small hazardous waste disposal firm in
the Chicago area. I also have 2 BS degrees ( in Physiology and in Chemistry)
from the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. I have been certified in
the comprehensive practice of Industrial Hygiene, since 1991.
My position description calls me the campus chemical hygiene officer, but
I have no authority over the 980 or so Principal Investigators that run the show
here at the UW. I provide guidance and help facilitate lab safety here on
campus. I'm also part of the team that manages the campus' hazardous waste
disposal efforts.
I have a good self-audit checklist that you can access, along with the rest
of our Laboratory Chemical Safety and Disposal Guide from the Safety Department
home page at http://www.wisc.edu/safety/
We dispose of picric acid via the sanitary sewer here at the UW. I've
opened dozens of picric acid containers, many of them crystalline material. Of
course, I make sure that I get the cap threads wet first by immersing it in
water before I open it. The only time I get nervous about picric, and think
about calling in the Pros, is if it is in a bottle with a metal cap. The metal
picrates are much more shock sensitive. All that and I haven't gotten blown
up yet.
Happy to be a NACHO,
--Ken Reinebach, CIH
Senior Chemical Safety Specialist
UW-Madison Safety Department
"If you're going to work with hazardous chemicals, you've got to learn as much
as you can about the physaical, chemical and toxicological properties of the
chemicals you are working with, and,
Don't get any on ya, and Don't get any in ya"
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Hi,
I am the Industrial Hygienist with the Food and Drug Administration Safety
Staff. This is a Headquarters position, and I am not on the front line as a
CHO. Our office handles everything from reviewing new lab and lab renovation
designs, decommissioning labs as FDA consolidates its operations, to
providing program guidance and oversight. FDA consists of the Center for
Food Safety, the Center for Veterinarian Medicine, the Center for Devices and
Radiological Health, the Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, the Center
for Biologic Evaluation and Research, the National Center for Toxicological
Research, the Office of Regulatory Affairs(ORA) which includes the Forensic
Chemistry Center, and the Office of the Commissioner. In addition to our
office, there are safety officers for each Center, and regional safety
officers for the ORA labs located throughout the country.
I have a BS in chemistry, an MS in Physical Biochemistry, and have taught
high school chemistry, biology and physics, as well as teaching chemistry
laboratory sections at a large university before its graduate program began
and teaching at various local community colleges as an adjunct. I decided
about 10 years ago to become educated in all aspects of environmental,
health, and safety. My first job in this field was with a consulting company
performing asbestos surveys, environmental audits, IAQ investigations, etc. I
then worked for the Social Security Administration doing mostly office and
maintenance worker safety and industrial hygiene. But now I've come full
circle back to chemistry labs and I feel like I've come home. I've enjoyed
following the various lab safety threads, but at present I'm still a
"lurker".
Glad to get to know y'all!
Karen Flanigan CIH, CSP
Industrial Hygienist
FDA Safety Staff
5600 Fishers Lane, HF-34, Rockville, MD 20857
E-mail: KFlaniga@Bangate.FDA.Gov
phone(301)827-1014 fax(301)827-1018
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:24:24 -0600
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We have a self inspection form on the net.
http://www.bgsu.edu/offices/envhs/self.htm
Feel free to adapt it for your needs.
We have just started using it this year so I don't know how well it works yet.
Bob
At 08:38 AM 4/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>We are looking at providing our faculty with self-audit forms, a
>mini-inspection that gives them something to go by when they look through
>their labs.
>
>Is anyone using this type of 'reminder'?
>
> Does it work?
>
>I would like to see examples of other self-audit forms. Please attach as
>files or send urls if they are on the Net.
>
>
>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
>mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
>UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
>"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
>"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
>
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Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety
Bowling Green State Universtiy
Phone : (419) 372-2171
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:47:42 -0500
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What a great idea! I would really like to pursue this one more closely. This could be a
good tool for getting upper level administrators on the safety band wagon.
I'm sure, as a parent myself, that a statement like this in the institutions catalog would
be quite reassuring and make me want to look more closely at the place for my child.
Possible selling potential for the university.
For what its worth, Janeen.
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From: "Nadine Grady, CIH" <ngrady@WHITWORTH.EDU>
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I'm a very new member of the NACHO list, and also the very new Chemical
Hygiene Officer for Whitworth College.
I spent 8 years with the Cincinnati Health Dept. doing IH consulting for
the general public, then 5 years as safety manager for the Metropolitan
Sewer District of Greater Cincinnati. Just moved back home to Spokane last
Saturday, and started work here on Monday. I'm looking forward to help and
guidance from others on this list!
Nadine B. Grady, RS, CIH
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Whitworth College, Spokane, WA
ngrady@whitworth.edu
Nadine Grady
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:08:05 -0800
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LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>In a message dated 98-04-02 13:20:05 EST, you write:
><< How do we get the word out to the scientific communities in those
> states in the US that are not covered by the Lab Standard? >>
>JAK: I thought all states were covered (at least for the private
>sector).
Okay, I'm confused a bit, I think what I had in mind was that some
states (I thought about 15 of them) that do not have state OSHA
organizations. Isn't there something we discussed at a seminar about
them being in a legal limbo? TRR
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
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It was my understanding that every state is covered by the lab
standard. Some states have lab standards of their own which would
supercede the federal one. Am I wrong?? Pat
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Patricia Barker Barkerp@Wabash.edu
Curator, Chemistry Department Phone 765-361-6207
Wabash College
301 West Wabash Ave Fax 765-361-6340
Crawfordsville, IN 47933 8:-)
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:39:39 -0600
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At 10:08 AM 4/3/98 -0800, you wrote:
>LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>>In a message dated 98-04-02 13:20:05 EST, you write:
>
>><< How do we get the word out to the scientific communities in those
>> states in the US that are not covered by the Lab Standard? >>
>
>>JAK: I thought all states were covered (at least for the private
>>sector).
>
>Okay, I'm confused a bit, I think what I had in mind was that some
>states (I thought about 15 of them) that do not have state OSHA
>organizations. Isn't there something we discussed at a seminar about
>them being in a legal limbo? TRR
Teresa,
If a state does not have an approved plan (ie. an OSHA "Agreement State")
then the private sector is covered by Federal OSHA. OSHA regulations, from
what I understand, NEVER apply to the PUBLIC sector (like my laboratory for
instance), but the public sector is normally covered by a state "Department
of Labor" or some such entity. (Here in Illinois, it's IDOL).
If a state is an OSHA agreement state, then the state plan applies, since
it is the "same or more restrictive" than OSHA's regulations.
That is the way my informant at IDOL described it to me. Does that help or
hinder the confusion level?
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:48:00 -0600
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The OSHA Standard does not apply to state institutions in states that have
not developed their own osha program. Only 25 states have them. Private
employers must comply with either Federal or State OSHA regulations. If
you are a State employee in one of the other 25 states with no program you
have no OSHA protection. However, many State Colleges have decided to
voluntarily use the standards because they make good sense and it is the
right thing to do. I'm in the process of convincing my University this is
the way we should be doing business. I feel we do our students a
disservice if we are not teaching them how to work in an industrial lab
where they will be required to use a chemical hygiene plan. It should be
part of their education process. Sometimes I think Universities create the
monsters that industry has to reprogram (with regard to working safely). I
spent ten years in industry so I was definately not prepared for what I
found here!
Debra Sharpe
University Safety Officer
Auburn University
fax (334) 844-4640
Ph (334) 844-4870
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:39:23 -0600
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From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
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No joke. It has been an uphill battle convincing industry wannabees that
employers care about lab safety. Fortunately, we were supported by a few
industry recruiters. Our Chemistry faculty were very supportive of our
upcoming semester-long lab safety class, which will give students
approriate training (and will count toward their degrees).
Step by step...
JNR
>The OSHA Standard does not apply to state institutions in states that have
>not developed their own osha program. Only 25 states have them. Private
>employers must comply with either Federal or State OSHA regulations. If
>you are a State employee in one of the other 25 states with no program you
>have no OSHA protection. However, many State Colleges have decided to
>voluntarily use the standards because they make good sense and it is the
>right thing to do. I'm in the process of convincing my University this is
>the way we should be doing business. I feel we do our students a
>disservice if we are not teaching them how to work in an industrial lab
>where they will be required to use a chemical hygiene plan. It should be
>part of their education process. Sometimes I think Universities create the
>monsters that industry has to reprogram (with regard to working safely). I
>spent ten years in industry so I was definately not prepared for what I
>found here!
>
>Debra Sharpe
>University Safety Officer
>Auburn University
>fax (334) 844-4640
>Ph (334) 844-4870
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
Campus mail: WCH 2.322 G2500
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
(512) 875-2100 (Pager)
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Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:53:34 -0700
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I believe Pat is right. All states are covered by the OSHA standards,
including the lab standard, unless another Federal or State agency
exercises statutory authority (for example Department of Energy or State
OSHA programs). I think there are currently 25 states that run their own
OSHA program. Any state who assumed responsibility for there own OSHA
program had to submit their OSHA plan for approval. OSHA is a branch of
the Department of Labor (DOL).
PS - per section 3 of the OSHA Act of 1970, State includes a State of the
US, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American
Samoa, Guam, and the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands. Section 4,
Applicability of the OSHA act lists a few more.
barkerp@WABASH.EDU on 04/03/98 11:19:00 AM
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It was my understanding that every state is covered by the lab
standard. Some states have lab standards of their own which would
supercede the federal one. Am I wrong?? Pat
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Patricia Barker Barkerp@Wabash.edu
Curator, Chemistry Department Phone 765-361-6207
Wabash College
301 West Wabash Ave Fax 765-361-6340
Crawfordsville, IN 47933 8:-)
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Safescience (safesci) is my "handle" on the Net. I am a K-12 Director
of Science and Safety for the Glastonbury Public Schools District,
Glastonbury, CT, USA. In the health and safety end, I basically serve
as the safety director responsible for employee and student safety. I
write programs, train employees and "police" the standards. Given my
area of science, I am especially interested in laboratory safety. We
have 20 laboratories in two facilities.
In addition, I operate my of consultancy -National Safety Consultants.
We service business, industry and education. I am an authorized OSHA
instructor for both general industry and construction. I write a
safety column titled "Safe Science: Be Protected!" for several
publications.
Finally, I have also been fortunate to work with one of the prime
movers in laboratory safety - Jim K. I serve on his Board of
Directors.
Dr. Ken Roy
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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:17:07 EST
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In a message dated 98-04-02 08:20:43 EST, Mike Miller wrote:
<< We have a perchloric acid hood that we would like to use as a general
chemical
fume hood. People in the lab have not used it as a perchloric acid hood for
at least the past 15 years. The hood has not been used during this time.
There is air flow through the hood, but it has a flood light of all things as
its light source. Any suggestions on "certification" that the hood is "safe
for use" or should this be a consideration. >>
JAK: The older editions of the CRC Handbook of Lab Safety has
a section on the decommissioning of perchloric acid fume hoods.
I recall seeing recently (maybe on the SAFETY list) the values to
use for a wipe test to determine if the hood was too contaminated
or not. It was something like less than 1.25ug/sqcm was ok and
over 6.25ug/sqcm was trouble. Does anyone recall more accurately?
*****************************************************
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Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:48:06 -0400
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CHEMICAL HEALTH & SAFETY (July/August 1996) had a good article:
"Laboratory on the move". This is a good article. Also, one of the
references may be of some help: "Perchloric Acid Contaminated Hood
Decontamination Procedures Manual", Martin Marietta Energy Systems, Oak
Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, TN (1993)
Guy
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At 11:17 PM 4/4/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-04-02 08:20:43 EST, Mike Miller wrote:
>
><< We have a perchloric acid hood that we would like to use as a general
>chemical
> fume hood. People in the lab have not used it as a perchloric acid hood for
> at least the past 15 years. The hood has not been used during this time.
> There is air flow through the hood, but it has a flood light of all things as
> its light source. Any suggestions on "certification" that the hood is
"safe
> for use" or should this be a consideration. >>
>
>JAK: The older editions of the CRC Handbook of Lab Safety has
>a section on the decommissioning of perchloric acid fume hoods.
>
>I recall seeing recently (maybe on the SAFETY list) the values to
>use for a wipe test to determine if the hood was too contaminated
>or not. It was something like less than 1.25ug/sqcm was ok and
>over 6.25ug/sqcm was trouble. Does anyone recall more accurately?
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
>The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
>organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
>important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
>Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
>schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
>LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
>
>
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Hello All,
Here is my introduction:
I rec'd a BS in Microbiology from U Mass in Amherst. Besides the chemistry
requirements for a major in Micro, I have taken additional chemistry as a
post graduate. I earned my way through school as a firefigter/EMT and
continued that, as a call firefigther, for 12 years after graduation.
My first real job was in an industrial research lab (esterifications and
some polymer work)(5 years). I did a short period with a Hazardous waste
transproter, then two years in a textile research lab. Finally, for the
last 12 years I have been a hospital safety and industrial hygiene officer.
The hospital is a teaching hospital. Duties include Industrial Hygiene,
Chemical Hygiene Officer, Fire safety, General safety, emergency
preparedness, environmental compliance, Personal Protective Equipment, Spill
response, etc. and training, training, training.
You see, CHO is only one part of my duties. I would have volunteered for
this position, anyway. I have always found lab safety to be interesting and
in 1982, Jim put the final hook in for my interest in lab safety.
Guy
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JAK: The following comments appeared on the SAFETY discussion
list....
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 18:31:26 -0500
From: Al Niemi <anniemi@mtu.edu>
Subject: Re: Health and Safety Pledge
I would guess that every college and university president would be more
than willing to take that pledge but I would be more interested in knowing
how many would "walk the walk." For example, if they say safety is first,
then they would never knowingly let a department do something that clearly
violates major components of the Life Safety Code, right? So how many of
our administrators still allow individual departments or groups to move
into buildings or other facilities that were originally constructed for
some other purpose (like old residential housing units) without bringing
them up to code for the new use first? What they are really saying when
they do this is "I realize that this facility is lacking in provisions for
fire safety, ventilation, electrical, etc., but business comes first so we
are going to let you move in anyway."
As far as a strategic advantage, I don't think that the major funding
sources (students, parents, government, alumni, etc.) give much
consideration to a university's safety record or safety programs in their
allocation equation. One exception to that seems to be DOE, but they are
more interested in environmental issues than safety and health.
Allen Niemi, PhD, Director of Occupational Safety and Health Services
Michigan Technological University, Houghton MI 49931
Phone (906)487-2118, Fax (906)487-3291 anniemi@mtu.edu
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James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
schedule, and membership information are available on request.
LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 09:23:10 -0400
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Greetings and good morning,
I have a request. I am in the final editing of our Respiratory
Protection Plan (The new Standard goes into effect Wed.) and this time
I am including a forward written, well written by me, and signed by the
President of this university. I believe that all of our policies
should start out with an endorsement by the president. Does anyone
have any examples of verbiage that I might use that would be palatable
to a university president and would get the attention of faculty staff
and students?
Madelyn
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist, CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 10:30:40 -0400
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Hello to all on the Lab Safety Net;
My name is Wes Kolar and I work as a Laboratory Safety
Specialist at the University of Georgia. My formal training
is in chemistry. After obtaining an MS, I worked for three
years in an environmental production laboratory in the field
of radiochemistry. I left the field of radiochemistry a couple
of years ago (due to governmental cutbacks), and headed in a
new direction, namely laboratory safety. I will be attending
the LS & EM conference in June, and look forward to meeting
many of you. Bye for now. Wes
Wes Kolar
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:59:19 -0700
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Mike--I'm the chem tech & CHO at North Idaho College in Coeur d'Alene. I
"interface" a lot with local teachers (and parents at science fair time).
This is more of howdy than anything else, but I think this listserv is a
great communication tool. Somehow, I don't think you get to go to many
east coast seminars either. Anyhow my e-mail address if you didn't pick
it up is-- srblack@nidc.edu
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Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:19:04 PDT
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Hello
As you already noticed, my name is Caren Thomas, and I teach high school chemistry at
Winfield High School in Winfield, WV. Although I majored in Chemistry, there were no
Chem teaching jobs available and I taught math for fifteen years before coming back to
it. I have been concerned about student (and my) safety since re-entering the lab as an
instructor. However, at the time I got my degree, while safety issues were addressed to
a certain extent, "safety" wasn't an official part of the curriculum. Also, OSHA
guidelines were never mentioned (was there even such a thing???). I was pleased to see
this forum started, so that I can learn more.
I was one of our county's representatives a couple years ago when Jim did a one-day
workshop in Parkersburg, WV, and try to keep the teachers in my school aware of safety
issues. I have been using the "gospel according to Flynn" as a reference
whenever
anything comes up about which someone has a question. The problem arises when the
questions aren't asked...they just go ahead and "do". As of this year I am the
science
department chair, which at least puts a little "oomph" behind my suggestions.
I will most likely be "lurking" as issues are addressed, but certainly
appreciate
being able to be a part of the forum.
Caren
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Name: Caren Thomas /~~~~
Chemistry teacher || "Waft, not whiff!"
WV k-12 RuralNet TL / \
Winfield High School / \
Winfield, WV (~~~~~~)
E-mail: cthomas@access.k12.wv.us (Caren Thomas)
Date: 04/06/98
Time: 14:19:04
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From: Saruk and Batya Eshel <eshel@ACTCOM.CO.IL>
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Hi,
I have a BA in chemistry from Reed College with
a thesis written in radioanalytical chemistry,
and have worked almost continuously since then as a
research technician in Biochemistry, Genetics, and
Molecular Biology. Since my Junior year in college
safety has been one of my key interests. I generally
volunteer or am assigned safety duties in the lab,
including radiation safety, MSDS inventory, SOP designs,
and general lab safety. This is my first position
not in an academic setting. I am currently a
tech at a small
government hospital in a foreign country where the
research laboratories are only two years old. The
facilities are currently housed in a renovated building not
really ideal for our purposes, and I am in the process
of designing safety protocols and a manual (in English
first, since I can work best in my mother tongue). Top
priority is the radiation safety, since even here the
feds have more interest in radiation safety than in
biohazard or chemical safety.
When I was a student in Oregon and was concerned
about certain non-safe practices occuring, the OSHA office
told me there was nothing they could do, as the school
was exempt. Luckily, I was also employed by the school
at the time as a student helper and could call the
Department of Labor. This I did, and they came to
inspect, issued warnings, and some rather unpleasant
practices were ended (for the time, I have no idea
what current policies are).
Glad to see so many others interested in lab
safety.
all the best,
Batya Eshel
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:21:48 PST8PDT
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From: Debbie Decker <deckerd@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Introducing Yourself
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Hi all:
Having just returned from our first trip to Disneyland with the kids
(ages 7 and 8) and then plunged right into 3 days of a hazardous
waste shipment, I'm just now shovelling out my e-mail box. At Jim's
behest, I guess I'll offer a bit of an introduction.
I'm Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer at California State
University, Sacramento (not to be confused with the University of
California - separate systems - who said California ever does
anything easy?). I've been with the university for a little over 5
years, doing chemical hygiene, haz waste management, chemical
inventory (a huge project that is becoming huger - don't go
there!!!), MSDS interp, lab safety, training training training, other
duties as assigned.
I have my BS in chemistry from University of California, Davis and a
hazardous materials management certificate. Hopefully, I'll be a
certified cho soon (as soon as I get all the papers filled out). I
taught jr. high school for a _very_ short time <g> and then went to
work in the explosives industry - I ran the chemistry lab, did r&d,
failure analysis, project management, you-name-it. Explosives is
fun, I tell ya <g>. Did a brief stint for a contract lab, doing
pesticide analysis and then to CSUS.
I'm enjoying NACHO! What a fun group :-)
Cheers,
Deb.
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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This is a bit off topic but, in the spirit of Easter, I am hoping
someone might be able to help me out with this. My local church is
looking for a generous person/company to donate a microscope for a
Christian missionary group in New Guinea so they can check for malaria.
One 500x power should do it. Does anyone have any suggestions on where
I could go to look for such a donation, or perhaps to buy one used?
Thank you in advance.
Lisa Cullen, CIH
Principal Industrial Hygienist
Keystone@redrose.net
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Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:09:49 -0400
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If you are near a medical school, find out who services their scopes.
There are usually some reconditioned extras that can be obtained at minimal
cost.
Dr. Henry Boyter, Jr. Ph.D. Chemist
The opinions of Dr. Boyter are provided for informational purposes only and
should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism
is implied.
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From: L.Cullen <Keystone@redrose.net>
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Subject: microscope donation
Date: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 9:36 AM
This is a bit off topic but, in the spirit of Easter, I am hoping
someone might be able to help me out with this. My local church is
looking for a generous person/company to donate a microscope for a
Christian missionary group in New Guinea so they can check for malaria.
One 500x power should do it. Does anyone have any suggestions on where
I could go to look for such a donation, or perhaps to buy one used?
Thank you in advance.
Lisa Cullen, CIH
Principal Industrial Hygienist
Keystone@redrose.net
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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:23:13 EDT
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From: Harvard Continuing Education <Contedu@SPH.HARVARD.EDU>
Subject: BioSafety Cabinet Certification Course at Harvard
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At the Harvard School of Public Health:
Testing and Certification of Biological Safety Cabinets
June 15 - 19, 1998
Course Directors: Melvin W. First, ScD, PE, CIH; Stephen N. Rudnick, ScD,
CIH; John M. Price, MS, CIH, CSP
This course covers all aspects of biosafety cabinet field certification.
You will develop thorough knowledge of the instruments needed for
accurate certification, including calibration techniques that can be
applied by equipment users. You will work with full-scale equipment in
simulated field situations during two days of hands-on experience in the
laboratory with individual attention from faculty and laboratory
instructors. Class II cabinets (Types A, B1, B2, B3) from major
manufacturers are available for individual instruction and for practice
of all certification tests. The NSF written and practical examinations
are offered immediately following the program.
For a complete course brochure and agenda, reply to
contedu@sph.harvard.edu with your full mailing address.
Center for Continuing Professional Education (contedu@sph.harvard.edu)
Harvard School of Public Health
677 Huntington Avenue, LL-23
Boston, MA 02115-6096
Phone: (617) 432-1171
Fax: (617) 432-1969
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/ccpe/ccpe.html
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Thank you for the information on some of your course offerings. I am interested in masters
level courses. Please send me a catalog. Thanks, Janeen
Janeen M. Lapierre, CHO
College of Osteopathic Medicine
University of New England
11 Hills Beach Road
Biddeford, ME 04005
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From: "Prosch, Sheri" <sheri_prosch@MS1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Intro and Pres. signature
Greetings, NACHOs!
I believe it is finally time to introduce myself. My name is Sheri Prosch,
Chemical Hygiene Officer at Mankato State University in southern Minnesota.
We are only 10 miles south of St. Peter which you may have seen in the news
recently due to the tornado destruction or 70 miles SW of Minneapolis/St.
Paul.
Duties I perform are industrial hygiene, chemical hygiene, haz waste,
training, etc. in nature. I've been here since 1994 in this capacity. I'm
currently finishing up my MS in Environmental Science - just a thesis away.
Last year I became a certified chemical hygiene officer. I've worked on
safety issues since 1988 and gained valuable information from a CIH friend of
mine.
Interesting issues at MSU include lab clean outs and chemical inventory. Two
years ago, our EHS department jumped on the opportunity to clean out a lab
that needed to be emptied for asbestos removal. It was a success and we've
been moving from lab to lab since and probably won't be done for another year.
If any of you happen to be attending the American Industrial Hygiene
Conference & Exposition in Atlanta this May, I will be presenting our
experience on Wednesday at 2pm.
Below is a an example of the endorsement page for MSU's chemical hygiene plan
signed by our President. We do not have one of these for every program but
that is a goal. Madelyn, I hope this helps you out.
I think that NACHO discussions have been and will be very worthwhile. Will
there be a NACHO get-together at the AIHCE conference? I would be interested
in meeting more of you. I may even be able to set something up if there is
enough interest. Let know.
Sheri Prosch, NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Mankato State Uni
ersity
MSU 76 PO Box 8400
Mankato, MN 56002
(507)389-5568
sheri.prosch@mankato.msus.edu
___________________
MANKATO STATE UNIVERSITY
University Operations
Office of Environmental Health & Safety
CHEMICAL HYGIENE PLAN
This Chemical Hygiene Plan will achieve Mankato State University compliance
with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) standard 29 CFR
1910.1450 and any other federal, state and local laws that requires all
employers engaged in the laboratory use of chemicals to comply with specific
requirements, including the development and implementation of a Laboratory
Chemical Hygiene plan.
This plan contains sections that identify requirements for Hazardous
wastestream source identification and characterization, signage, handling,
labeling and hazardous waste disposal procedures consistent with Minnesota
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Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
TRR
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You might try the VWR Scientific wegsite, an extensive msds section I'm told.
Graham Munsell, Life Safety Officer
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At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
>TRR
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>You might try the VWR Scientific wegsite, an extensive msds section I'm
>told.
>Graham Munsell, Life Safety Officer
>New Mexico State University
>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
>>TRR
>>
The VWR MSDS site is temporarily down. I think I've tried all there is
out there on the web, so I was hoping someone might have one on file.
Maybe someone knows of a website not listed with the major msds
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We checked our list but its not there. Good luck!
At 03:57 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>>You might try the VWR Scientific wegsite, an extensive msds section I'm
>>told.
>
>>Graham Munsell, Life Safety Officer
>>New Mexico State University
>
>>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
>>>TRR
>>>
>
>The VWR MSDS site is temporarily down. I think I've tried all there is
>out there on the web, so I was hoping someone might have one on file.
>Maybe someone knows of a website not listed with the major msds
>resources. Thanks, TRR
>
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Greetings all,
Two days ago we had a explosion in a hood in one of our research labs,
Jim, you probably have heard about something like this. This
conscientious grad. student was cleaning up the lab and consolidated
two bottles of "inorganic waste" together. I suspect that in one
bottles was nitric acid and the other was not inorganic but organic.
She put the cap on the bottle. Within a min. she heard a hissing noise
and the sense to run. She got twenty feet from the hood when the
bottle exploded with tremendous force. The sash is cracked, the lower
baffle was broken in four pieces, the connection of the duct work seems
disturbed and the back wall of the hood is cracked. She was unharmed.
If anyone plays the "what if" game the scenarios have might be very
ugly.
Anyone have any experience with repairing hoods? Can the back wall be
replaced? Is the hood totaled? All comments about repair of the hood
is welcome. Thanks in advance.
Madelyn
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Madelyn Miller
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If you give me the CAS number I may be able to help.
Madelyn
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>>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
>>>TRR
>>>
The manufacturer doesn't have one?
Linda
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Ed, Paul Sokol will look at the cleaned room 1200 on Monday.
The following is a list of items that need to be replaced.
1) Fisher Hamilton Hood.
1A. Glass in the sash
1B lower baffle
1C rear wall
1D duct work connection at the air supply diffuser
2) Floor tile in front of hood
3) Case work ,drawers and cabinets, should have new doors and fronts.
4) An assessment by lab personnel should be made of all electronic
devices. Acid gasses may cause instrument failure in near future due
to attack of circuit boards.
> Madelyn, In light of John Anderson's message below, please move
> quickly (i.e., this morning) to have the damage in the laboratory
> identified and documented in preparation to initiate work orders. I
> can press Larry Young this afternoon with the information that you
> provide to me. Please advise if you need my assistance to make this
> happen on this time line. Thanks, Ed
>
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One of our instructors got carried away with a thermite demo a few
years ago and burnt a hole and cracked the base of a Kewaunee fume
hood. We ordered replacements and it was one of the 100-screw jobs,
and went together fine. Do I want to do it again--No. Be sure to test the
air-flow, etc. if you think the ductwark is affected, would be my only
concern.
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LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>>>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
>>>>TRR
>>>>
>The manufacturer doesn't have one?
Update for Linda, and all the other responses...no, the manufacturer
does not have one. The item was discontinued in 1978 !
Teresa R. Robertson, CSUB CCHO
>Linda
P.S. to Linda - I have the pleasure of traveling via I-10 through your
area a couple of times a year. You have beautiful mountains,
lightening storms, billowy desert clouds, and White Sands. TRR
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Teresa,
I did a quick search on STN for you. I did find the CA registry number, but
i's not in the Ohio nor Canidien MSDS file son STN. I'll attach the search
for you. It should be in text file form- open with your Notepad or
equivelent.
Bob
ps- I'm replying to the group so you can all see whatis there.
Teresa Robertson wrote:
> LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
> >>>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >>>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
> >>>>TRR
> >>>>
>
> >The manufacturer doesn't have one?
>
> Update for Linda, and all the other responses...no, the manufacturer
> does not have one. The item was discontinued in 1978 !
> Teresa R. Robertson, CSUB CCHO
>
> >Linda
> P.S. to Linda - I have the pleasure of traveling via I-10 through your
> area a couple of times a year. You have beautiful mountains,
> lightening storms, billowy desert clouds, and White Sands. TRR
> >\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >Linda S. Perez NAOSMM member #991 since 1994
> >Coordinator Ask Me!
> >New Mexico State University
> >Biology Department (505)646-3915
> >Box 30001 MSC 3AF (505)382-6547 pager
> >Foster Hall Room 130 (505)646-5665 fax
> >Las Cruces, NM 88003 liperez@nmsu.edu
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My first thought is why don't your graduate students write the exact
contents of the waste container on a label on the bottle. Generic terms
like "inorganic waste" are meaningless and dangerous! I print up labels
that I adhere to all waste bottles that include fields for student name,
profeesor, contents, % or volume of constituents and a bottom area to
indicate flammable, toxic, corrosive, reactive. Students should all have
their own waste containers and should never share.
Hazardous Waste
Student_____________Prof__________Date_____
Chemical Name Amount or %
Flammable______ Corrosive______ Oxidizer_____
WaterReactive____ Toxic_____ Carcinogen_____
Other__________________________________
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Greetings,
Thank you for stating the obvious. My question was not what they did
wrong but what should be done with the hood to repair it. I will
handle the other safety issues.
On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:17:16 -0000 "L. James Stock III"
Generic terms like "inorganic waste" are meaningless and dangerous!
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Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist, CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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rburns@bigfoot.com,.internet writes:
>Teresa,
>I did a quick search on STN for you. I did find the CA registry
>number, but
>i's not in the Ohio nor Canidien MSDS file son STN. I'll attach the
>search
>for you. It should be in text file form- open with your Notepad or
>equivelent.
>Bob
Bob,
I'm not familiar with the ".trn" file extension. What program should
be used to open it? Thanks, Teresa
>ps- I'm replying to the group so you can all see whatis there.
>Teresa Robertson wrote:
>> LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>> >>>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> >>>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl
>azide?
>> >>>>TRR
>> >>>>
>>
>> >The manufacturer doesn't have one?
>>
>> Update for Linda, and all the other responses...no, the manufacturer
>> does not have one. The item was discontinued in 1978 !
>> Teresa R. Robertson, CSUB CCHO
>>
>> >Linda
>> P.S. to Linda - I have the pleasure of traveling via I-10 through your
>> area a couple of times a year. You have beautiful mountains,
>> lightening storms, billowy desert clouds, and White Sands. TRR
>>
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>LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>>>>At 02:52 PM 4/8/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>>>>Does anyone have a msds, or the like, for tert-butyl carbonyl azide?
>>>>>TRR
>>>>>
>
>
>>The manufacturer doesn't have one?
>
>Update for Linda, and all the other responses...no, the manufacturer
>does not have one. The item was discontinued in 1978 !
>Teresa R. Robertson, CSUB CCHO
>
>>Linda
>P.S. to Linda - I have the pleasure of traveling via I-10 through your
>area a couple of times a year. You have beautiful mountains,
>lightening storms, billowy desert clouds, and White Sands. TRR
The weather is amazing right now, too. I probably shouldn't say anything
lest I jinx it. Nothing compares to the Organ Mountains.
Have you tried http://www.chemconnect.com
It is a source of placing ads for chemicals. Maybe someone can track down a
vendor from whom you can get an MSDS.
Linda
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From: "Thomas J. Shelley" <tjs1@CORNELL.EDU>
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>Greetings all,
>Two days ago we had a explosion in a hood in one of our research
labs,
......much deleted......
Madelyn--We had a simlar incident in our chemistry department last
fall. My report on this incident is appended below. Most hoods are
modular and components are fairly easy to replace.
For really old units parts may not be available and they may need to be
fabricated. If the hood is an older transite unit its
alteration/repair may be an asbestos project and it may not be possible
to fabricate new components. In this instance you might be able to
scavage parts from another hood, assuming that there is a spare or
disused unit around. Sounds as if you have the situation in hand.
I hope you are doing well. Tom
<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger>Date: September 15, 1997
To: Staff responding to Baker Lab incident, 9/11/97
From: Tom Shelley
Re: Baker Lab incident
My review of the causes of this incident are as follows:
The graduate student involved had cleaned a small pump with a small
amount of acetone (about 10-20 ml.). He then inadvertently poured the
waste acetone into a one liter waste bottle containing nitric acid in
water (about 100-200 ml.) and replaced the cap on the bottle. About 30
seconds later the waste bottle exploded. The explosion was the result
of two very incompatible materials mixing together resulting in the
explosive oxidation (detonation) of the acetone.
The explosion punched a hole in the left side wall of the hood and
broke several pieces of glassware. One of the broken items was a
wide-mouthed glass bottle holding dry waste consisting of an
organo-thallium compound and masks, gloves and other items used when
handling the thallium compound. The thallium compound was scattered
about the lab as a brown powder. Some of the organo-thallium compound
probably combined with some of the nitric acid, generating thallium
nitrate as a byproduct. There was also probably some thallium (as
nitrate) in the nitric acid as the acid had been used to clean thallium
contaminated glassware. It was also noted that the sash on the hood
was up at the moment of the explosion. If the sash had been lowered,
the explosion may have been mostly contained to the hood in which it
occurred.
Three students were decontaminated with safety showers and at the
hospital. There were only very minor injuries and the lab staff
completed the clean up of the room the following day.
The PI stated that he thought that the student had inadequate training
in waste protocols and that he should have had additional training
before undertaking laboratory operations.
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In a message dated 98-04-06 09:36:05 EDT, Madelyn Miller wrote:
<< Does anyone have any examples of verbiage that I might
use that would be palatable to a university president and
would get the attention of faculty staff and students? >>
JAK: My favorite has always been ... "It is the responsibility of
the (college, University, etc) and its employees to ensure that
our educational programs and other activities protect and promote
the health and safety of our students, our employees, and the
environment."
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Can it be repaired? Why not as long as you can remove the contamination. I
would call the company that built it and have them give you an estimate for
repair. It may be cheaper to replace it. I hope you took pictures before
anything was cleaned up. Both the hood company and the insurance company may
want them and you may want them when dealing with the insurance company. Glad
no one was hurt.
Hal Grunenwald
Chittenango High School
Chittenango NY
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Just something to be checked out. I don't know how old the hood is. You
may want to have it and the area checked out for any asbestos contamination.
Transite was used a lot in older hoods. An explosion in a hood with this
material may have resulted in fiber release. Your University probably has
an Industrial Hygieninst that can help with the follow through on this.
Guy Innocente
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At 10:23 AM 4/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings all,
>Two days ago we had a explosion in a hood in one of our research labs,
>Jim, you probably have heard about something like this. This
>conscientious grad. student was cleaning up the lab and consolidated
>two bottles of "inorganic waste" together. I suspect that in one
>bottles was nitric acid and the other was not inorganic but organic.
>She put the cap on the bottle. Within a min. she heard a hissing noise
>and the sense to run. She got twenty feet from the hood when the
>bottle exploded with tremendous force. The sash is cracked, the lower
>baffle was broken in four pieces, the connection of the duct work seems
>disturbed and the back wall of the hood is cracked. She was unharmed.
>If anyone plays the "what if" game the scenarios have might be very
>ugly.
>
>Anyone have any experience with repairing hoods? Can the back wall be
>replaced? Is the hood totaled? All comments about repair of the hood
>is welcome. Thanks in advance.
>Madelyn
>
>----------------------
>Madelyn Miller
>Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
>Environmental Health & Safety
>Carnegie Mellon University
>mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
>
>
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>In a message dated 98-04-06 09:36:05 EDT, Madelyn Miller wrote:
>
><< Does anyone have any examples of verbiage that I might
> use that would be palatable to a university president and
> would get the attention of faculty staff and students? >>
Dear Madelyn, Jim and Colleagues--Cornell has a Presidential Health and
Safety Policy which took two years, many faculty committees, the Deans'
Council and finally the President's approval. It, in effect makes the
President responsible for H&S at Cornell and has wide-reaching implications.
The Policy itself is very simple:
POLICY STATEMENT
Cornell University strives to maintain a safe living, learning, and working
environment. Faculty, staff, students, and other members of the Cornell
community must conduct university operations in compliance with applicable
federal, state, and localregulations, University Health and Safety Board
requirements, and other university health and safety standards.
The full URL for the Policy and its various appendums is:
http://www.univco.cornell.edu/policy/HS.html
>JAK: My favorite has always been ... "It is the responsibility of
>the (college, University, etc) and its employees to ensure that
>our educational programs and other activities protect and promote
>the health and safety of our students, our employees, and the
>environment."
Ours is somewhat similar, but perhaps a little more comprehensive.
Good luck with you statement, Madelyn. Tom
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Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building,
Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu
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There is a CHO certification exam scheduled for 6 pm on Thursday, the
same day and time as the first NACHO meeting. It's a shame this
conflict exists. TRR, CSUB CCHO
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JAK: The following message appeared on the NAOSMM list.
I thought NACHO members would be interested.....
<< Subj: Transporting chemicals between campuses
Date: 98-04-10 15:12:43 EDT
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Hello out there,
For those of you who have laboratories on more than one campus, how
do you transport chemicals between them? More precisely, when a
chemical is needed on a satellite campus from the main campus, how do
you handle getting it there in compliance with DOT HM-181, or is this an
issue?
Thanks for sharing with me your solutions to this problem. ..Barbie>>
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Recently, Teresa Robertson wrote:
<<There is a CHO certification exam scheduled for 6 pm on
Thursday, the same day and time as the first NACHO meeting.
It's a shame this conflict exists. TRR, CSUB CCHO >>
JAK: Fear not! The LS&EM98 Registration Booklet is in error.
The first NACHO meeting is on Wednesday evening, June 24th
from 6-9PM and does not conflict with the CHO certification exam
on Thursday. YEAH!
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IN our company, any time a chemical leaves the laboratory, Haz Com kicks in.
Just to start with, a MSDS is required.
Labsafe wrote:
> JAK: The following message appeared on the NAOSMM list.
> I thought NACHO members would be interested.....
>
> << Subj: Transporting chemicals between campuses
> Date: 98-04-10 15:12:43 EDT
> From: BarbieW@CHARLES.CC.MD.US (Barbie Walter)
> Sender: NAOSMM@LISTSERV.RICE.EDU (National Association
> of Scientific Materials Managers)
> Reply-to: BarbieW@CHARLES.CC.MD.US (Barbie Walter)
>
> Hello out there,
> For those of you who have laboratories on more than one campus, how
> do you transport chemicals between them? More precisely, when a
> chemical is needed on a satellite campus from the main campus, how do
> you handle getting it there in compliance with DOT HM-181, or is this an
> issue?
> Thanks for sharing with me your solutions to this problem. ..Barbie>>
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
> organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
> important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
> Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
> schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
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But the exam does conflict with two other workshops ... Iam giving a 1/2
day lab spill work shop and a 1/2 day Emergency Response: Contaminated
Victim workshop on Thursay.
If there is interest, I could do these on Monday, also.
Neal
At 09:50 PM 4/11/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Recently, Teresa Robertson wrote:
>
><<There is a CHO certification exam scheduled for 6 pm on
> Thursday, the same day and time as the first NACHO meeting.
> It's a shame this conflict exists. TRR, CSUB CCHO >>
>
>JAK: Fear not! The LS&EM98 Registration Booklet is in error.
>The first NACHO meeting is on Wednesday evening, June 24th
>from 6-9PM and does not conflict with the CHO certification exam
>on Thursday. YEAH!
>
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:11:15 EDT
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To: NACHO Members
From: Jim Kaufman
I have received a few requests to consider setting up a system for
identifying the target audience of messages that might be of greatest
interest to members in secondary schools (SS), colleges and universities
(CU) and industry (IN).
If we were to use such a voluntary system, readers could scan for those
messages which were of greatest interest.
Our time is limited, would this be helpful? What about other codes?...jak
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:41:55 EDT
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In a message dated 98-04-12 11:35:23 EDT, Neal Langerman wrote:
<< But the exam does conflict with two other workshops ... I am giving a 1/2
day lab spill work shop and a 1/2 day Emergency Response: Contaminated
Victim workshop on Thursay. If there is interest, I could do these on
Monday,
also. ... Neal >>
JAK: In the past the CHO certification exam has been given at LS&EM
after the Thursday workshops are completed. I thought this was going
to go the same way this year. If so, there will be no conflict. The CHO
Prep Course is being offere in Raleigh-Durham on Thursday during the
day (8-5).
*****************************************************
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508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 15:46:01 -0400
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I say NO. I believe we have a lot to share with other disciplines.
Bob
Labsafe wrote:
> To: NACHO Members
> From: Jim Kaufman
>
> I have received a few requests to consider setting up a system for
> identifying the target audience of messages that might be of greatest
> interest to members in secondary schools (SS), colleges and universities
> (CU) and industry (IN).
>
> If we were to use such a voluntary system, readers could scan for those
> messages which were of greatest interest.
>
> Our time is limited, would this be helpful? What about other codes?...jak
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
> important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
> Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
> schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
> LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
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Robert L. Burns
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:06:11 -0800
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Some of our high schools would like to use the UV cabinets for sanitizing
goggles shared by students. Can this group help answer some questons.
1) Is there any documentation of transmission of disease between students
sharing goggles?
2) Is there any published standard concerning these cabinets?
3) Are the cabinets effective if goggles are placed in them only for a few
minutes between classes?
4) Are there any thoughts about cost effectiveness of UV cabinets vs.
massive purchase of goggles for each student.
Looking forward to your thoghts.
Berk Moss Beaverton School District
District Science Specialist 16550 SW Merlo Rd
(503) 591-4407 Beaverton OR 97006
e-mail berk_moss@beavton.k12.or.us
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Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:52:08 -0500
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Thanks -
Im at a Holday Inn in Boston on Beacon St. Just got in; spent today out in
Springfield with an old MIT/Utah friend.
I plan to review the Draft and comment while filying back to SD.
Cheers...
Neal
At 03:41 PM 4/12/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-04-12 11:35:23 EDT, Neal Langerman wrote:
>
><< But the exam does conflict with two other workshops ... I am giving a 1/2
> day lab spill work shop and a 1/2 day Emergency Response: Contaminated
> Victim workshop on Thursay. If there is interest, I could do these on
>Monday,
> also. ... Neal >>
>
>JAK: In the past the CHO certification exam has been given at LS&EM
>after the Thursday workshops are completed. I thought this was going
>to go the same way this year. If so, there will be no conflict. The CHO
>Prep Course is being offere in Raleigh-Durham on Thursday during the
>day (8-5).
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
>The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
>organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
>important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
>Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
>schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
>LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
>
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:31:47 EDT
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In a message dated 98-04-12 15:46:15 EDT, Bob Burns wrote:
<< I say NO. I believe we have a lot to share with other disciplines. >>
JAK: I agree with Bob that we have a lot to share. I don't understand
how putting a label on our messages (if one seems appropriate) would
prevent that.
Those members who are in secondary schools may not be interest or
have time for lab safety issues that are of primary interest to University
research folks or industrial r&d. And, the reverse might be true as well.
This is simply an advisory label concerning the content. Where is the
harm?
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508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
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organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
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Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
schedule, and membership information are available on request.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:36:47 +0000
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From: Andrew Szilagyi <Andrew.Szilagyi@EM.DOE.GOV>
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Jim,
Depends on the cost-benefit of setting it up. Although it would
probably allow people to more selectively read messages - I have found
that aside from the "opinion" type banter, I learn something from most
of the traffic. The few seconds to open up and scan a file - is worth
my time.
a
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Subject: Classifying the Subject Line?
Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
Date: 4/12/98 2:11 PM
To: NACHO Members
From: Jim Kaufman
I have received a few requests to consider setting up a system for
identifying the target audience of messages that might be of greatest
interest to members in secondary schools (SS), colleges and universities
(CU) and industry (IN).
If we were to use such a voluntary system, readers could scan for those
messages which were of greatest interest.
Our time is limited, would this be helpful? What about other codes?...jak
*****************************************************
James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
schedule, and membership information are available on request.
LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:39:14 -0700
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Jim--While I know it takes time, I enjoy reading the different viewpoints of
K-12, college, university, and industry. Industry is so far ahead of ed
labs in many areas. Also, I'm in the hinterlands of North Idaho at a public
two year college, will probably never be a certified CHO, and only get to
the NAOSSM meetings when they're in the Northwest. The Listservs
are a valuable communication tool, and while they don't take the place of
real seminars and workshops, they are better than nothing. As the
digest, please make it optional. Thank you so much for starting this.--rb
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:22:32 -0500
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Coding sounds useful; it might be useful to subdivide by regulatory (RE?)
and actual safety (SA?) issues; on the other hand, both are important and I
haven't reached the point where I'm getting too much information.
Thanks,
JNR
>To: NACHO Members
>From: Jim Kaufman
>
>I have received a few requests to consider setting up a system for
>identifying the target audience of messages that might be of greatest
>interest to members in secondary schools (SS), colleges and universities
>(CU) and industry (IN).
>
>If we were to use such a voluntary system, readers could scan for those
>messages which were of greatest interest.
>
>Our time is limited, would this be helpful? What about other codes?...jak
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
Campus mail: WCH 2.322 G2500
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:04:23 -0500
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I saw that Neal Langerman was giving a presentation somewhere about
handling incidents involving contaminated patients. Is there a lot of
interest in this topic? This was one of my areas of responsibilities when
I was Hazmat Captain with Austin EMS; I've given several talks on the
subject to a variety of audiences and wrote a paper for SSA (Semiconductor
Safety Association) Journal. I always thought that I was just reinforcing
common-sense principles, but was amazed at the interest (and lack of
knowledge) in this area.
This may sound like shameless self-promotion, but I'm actually interested
in whether this type of information, whether it's Hot-Zone assessment or
general medical considerations for hazmat incidents, is something that
NACHO members would like. We've put on several seminars and exercises and
are more than happy to share results (plus, I do have some shame) or bring
some of this information to you directly.
Onward,
JNR
The opinions expressed herein may not represent those of the Canadian
government, with whom I have no affiliation.
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:34:13 -0500
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Patrick Borthwick, CSP
Safety & Occupational Health Mgr.
EPA ORD NHEERL Gulf Ecology Division
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>>> Madelyn Miller <mmiller@ANDREW.CMU.EDU> 04/03/98 08:52am >>>
Greetings All,
I have a laboratory audit form that is used by EH&S yearly but
individual labs use it for their own audits. It is in FileMakerPro, a
data-base, and I don't know how to send it via e-mail. If anyone
would like a copy, send me your snail mail address and I will mail one
to you. Send me e-mail to me personally and not to the list. Thanks
that will limit the clutter.
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:45:44 -0400
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Goggle Peer,
I am not familliar with U.V. light cabinets to disinfect
goggles. But I am fairly familliar with the lack of
effectiveness of U.V. light in general, particularly as the
strength of the bulbs and the antimicrobial efficiency of
the bulbs decrease with time. I would also think that a few
minutes between classes would not be nearly enough time to
disinfect theses glasses, if they were contaminated, to an
acceptable level. I am not aware of any published standards
on this topic.
One of the most likely and easily communicated diseases
between humans is conjunctivitis. I am not aware of any
outbreaks or transmissions of this disease in an
educational setting, however. The closest event to this
that I have observed is the spread of head lice at a
nuclear power plant through the common use of hard hats.
I believe that the most effective means available to ensure
that communicable eye diseases are not transmitted between
laboratory workers is the diligent cleanliness of the
laboratory, thorough personnel hygiene, and disinfection of
the eyewear with readily available disinfectants such as
lysol or bleach.
You might speak to the school nurse about the prevalance or
incidence of eye related transmissible diseases. Unless
there is a noticeable problem, I am not aware of any
special need to take special precautions against
transmission behond good laboratory hygiene.
Tom Fuller
Biological Safety Officer
Boston College
On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:06:11 -0800 Berk Moss
<mossfam@TELEPORT.COM> wrote:
> Some of our high schools would like to use the UV cabinets for sanitizing
> goggles shared by students. Can this group help answer some questons.
>
> 1) Is there any documentation of transmission of disease between students
> sharing goggles?
>
> 2) Is there any published standard concerning these cabinets?
>
> 3) Are the cabinets effective if goggles are placed in them only for a few
> minutes between classes?
>
> 4) Are there any thoughts about cost effectiveness of UV cabinets vs.
> massive purchase of goggles for each student.
>
> Looking forward to your thoghts.
>
> Berk Moss Beaverton School District
> District Science Specialist 16550 SW Merlo Rd
> (503) 591-4407 Beaverton OR 97006
> e-mail berk_moss@beavton.k12.or.us
----------------------
Thomas Fuller
fullert@bc.edu
Boston College
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:25:42 -0600
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Are there any academic laboratory professionals out there who are familiar
with the text; "Handbook of Laboratory Health and Safety" by Stricoff and
Walters? It seems to be a good source for a broad range of safety issue but
it makes some statements about eye protection that are in conflict with
other sources I have read. I could get into specifics but if you have the
text lying around somewhere take a look at that section.
I know there are several good resources available to CHO's and lab managers
in academic labs.
Does anyone know of texts or resources that are not reliable?
Mark Smith
Hendrix College
Conway, AR
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:21:24 EDT
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:54:25 -0500
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From: "Nadine Grady, CIH" <ngrady@WHITWORTH.EDU>
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One of our researchers just asked me whether a proposed vacuum pump will
need to be vented, and what the venting requirements would be. It seems
that the pump will be achieving a vacuum of around 10exp-8 torr, evacuating
a 1 cubic foot chamber containing noble gas (argon, xenon) and
non-radioactive rubidium &/or cesium. The partial pressure of rubidium is
around 10exp-7 torr.
The room proposed for the research is in the basement of a 1950's college
lab building. It has several casement windows into below-grade window
wells, and one fume hood. The building will be remodeled this summer, and
the researcher needs to know whether the fume hood &/or its ductwork will
need to be retained.
Have any of you had any experience with this sort of setup? Any and all
help will be appreciated.
Nadine B. Grady, RS, CIH
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Whitworth College
W. 300 Hawthorne Rd, MS-3903
Spokane, WA 99251
(509) 777-4510
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The Flinn Scientific catalog, 1998 page 790, discusses the use of
lysol. If you do not have a Flinn catalog, you can get one by calling
800-452-1261. It is more than a catalog; it has reference sections
also (but always take care to make sure advice from any source is legal
in your city, county, and state). We also have given thought to
potential to spread conjunctivitis, but know of no statistics.
Personally, I think bleach (sodium hypochlorite) would be better due to
lysol / pinesol causing allergy problems for some. And better yet,
require students to buy their own. For about $5 the sanitation problem
is gone, and the students have something they can use when mowing the
lawn, etc. at home. TRR
LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>Some of our high schools would like to use the UV cabinets for
>sanitizing
>goggles shared by students. Can this group help answer some questons.
>1) Is there any documentation of transmission of disease between
>students
>sharing goggles?
>2) Is there any published standard concerning these cabinets?
>3) Are the cabinets effective if goggles are placed in them only for a
>few
>minutes between classes?
>4) Are there any thoughts about cost effectiveness of UV cabinets vs.
>massive purchase of goggles for each student.
>Looking forward to your thoghts.
>Berk Moss Beaverton School District
>District Science Specialist 16550 SW Merlo Rd
>(503) 591-4407 Beaverton OR 97006
>e-mail berk_moss@beavton.k12.or.us
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:25:24 EDT
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In a message dated 98-04-13 06:59:41 EDT, you write:
<< Depends on the cost-benefit of setting it up. Although it would
probably allow people to more selectively read messages - I have found
that aside from the "opinion" type banter, I learn something from most
of the traffic. The few seconds to open up and scan a file - is worth
my time. >>
Hi Andy, I agree with you. For you and me it's worth the time to read
them all and learn from them. And, we don't really have to do anything
if we feel our messages are good for everyone. But what about someone
who prefers to have only stuff for industry and feels their time is badly
wasted reading about secondary school stuff.
This list could end up with all the secondary CHOs (25,000; but not this
week!).
How long would it take in your subject line to put in a (CU) or (SS) or
(IN)?
This is all new to me and I have no idea what we should do. I just
felt obligated to raise the issue.
Regards, ... Jim
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:20:54 -0500
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From: Neal Langerman <chemsaf@IX.NETCOM.COM>
Subject: Re: Contaminated patients
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Yes, I just did a presentation on the subject in Boston:
"Emeergency Response: Contaminated Employee"
I have been offering this topic asa 1/2 day program for about a year. The
program has been well-accepted but generates less response than other
programs I offer.
From a list perspective, perhaps you and I should communicate off-list
(email or phone) and then we can come up with something that would be
appropriate for the list.
Neal
At 11:04 AM 4/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I saw that Neal Langerman was giving a presentation somewhere about
>handling incidents involving contaminated patients. Is there a lot of
>interest in this topic? This was one of my areas of responsibilities when
>I was Hazmat Captain with Austin EMS; I've given several talks on the
>subject to a variety of audiences and wrote a paper for SSA (Semiconductor
>Safety Association) Journal. I always thought that I was just reinforcing
>common-sense principles, but was amazed at the interest (and lack of
>knowledge) in this area.
>
>This may sound like shameless self-promotion, but I'm actually interested
>in whether this type of information, whether it's Hot-Zone assessment or
>general medical considerations for hazmat incidents, is something that
>NACHO members would like. We've put on several seminars and exercises and
>are more than happy to share results (plus, I do have some shame) or bring
>some of this information to you directly.
>
>Onward,
>
>JNR
>
>The opinions expressed herein may not represent those of the Canadian
>government, with whom I have no affiliation.
>
>Jeff Rubin
>Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
>College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
>University of Texas at Austin
>Austin, TX 78712-1199
>Campus mail: WCH 2.322 G2500
>jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
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>(512) 875-2100 (Pager)
>
>
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From: Andrew Szilagyi <Andrew.Szilagyi@EM.DOE.GOV>
Subject: Re[2]: Classifying the Subject Line?
Greetings Jim,
I am easy (though not cheap) - Subject lines is not an issue I would
fall on my sword over and (if I remember) putting in some codes will
not take any time at all. Just to show how non-consequential this is
to me - I shall say not another word about "subject lines". By the
way, this is an example of the administrative BS I would urge us to
stay away from.
andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
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Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
Date: 4/13/98 10:25 PM
In a message dated 98-04-13 06:59:41 EDT, you write:
<< Depends on the cost-benefit of setting it up. Although it would
probably allow people to more selectively read messages - I have found
that aside from the "opinion" type banter, I learn something from most
of the traffic. The few seconds to open up and scan a file - is worth
my time. >>
Hi Andy, I agree with you. For you and me it's worth the time to read
them all and learn from them. And, we don't really have to do anything
if we feel our messages are good for everyone. But what about someone
who prefers to have only stuff for industry and feels their time is badly
wasted reading about secondary school stuff.
This list could end up with all the secondary CHOs (25,000; but not this
week!).
How long would it take in your subject line to put in a (CU) or (SS) or
(IN)?
This is all new to me and I have no idea what we should do. I just
felt obligated to raise the issue.
Regards, ... Jim
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From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
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Please send me your lab audit form. L. James Stock III, Chemistry
Stockroom Manager,
Chemistry Dept., 1720 S. East Campus Drive, CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY,
Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859
I use FileMakerPro for almost everything I do.It is the greatest. You
could use a FTP program to send it to me.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:01:55 -0500
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Does anyone have a universal MSDS system and if so what is it??? If not,
are there any suggestions??? I'm primarily interested in media "on line"
or a "web site".
Susan
Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S.
Coordinator, Instructional Laboratories and Facility Safety
University of Oklahoma
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
620 Parrington Oval, Room 208
Norman, OK 73019
Phone: 405-325-2742
FAX: 405-325-6111
e-mail: sklauterbach@ou.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:53:44 -0500
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I would like to see a classification system. It would assist me in
browsing the messages.
Being in industry, I am very interested in collaboration with industrial
health & safety personnel.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 11:06:27 -0400
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From: "Ralph Stuart, University of Vermont" <rstuart@ESF.UVM.EDU>
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>Does anyone have a universal MSDS system and if so what is it??? If not,
>are there any suggestions??? I'm primarily interested in media "on line"
>or a "web site".
The Candian Centre for Occupational Health and Safety provides web access
to its MSDS database, as well as others on a campus wide basis for about
$800/year. This is probably the most reliable cheap route to go.
- Ralph
Ralph Stuart
Environmental Safety Manager
University of Vermont
655 Spear St., PO Box 50570
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:53:43 -0000
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I use the Sigma-Aldrich MSDS on CD-ROM. About 4 updates/year and about
1,000 bucks
It is the greatest. You can search by name, formula, CAS, and product#.
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From: "Ralph Stuart, University of Vermont" <rstuart@ESF.UVM.EDU>
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> You can search by name, formula, CAS, and product#.
Yes, but can you get any useable information from the MSDS?
- Ralph
Ralph Stuart
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655 Spear St., PO Box 50570
Burlington, VT 05405
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 12:52:51 -0600
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I like the MDL information systems, Inc. - Occupational Health Services
(OHS) MSDS system. It seems to have the most information and is the most
accurate of the MSDS systems I have used. I believe it is somewhat
expensive but I do not know the actual cost. Our group pays a portion of a
site license. We also use the Sigma/Aldrich/Fluka MSDS system. It is very
useful for the products supplied by each of these 3 companies.
Susan Lauterbach <sklauterbach@CHEMDEPT.CHEM.OU.EDU> on 04/14/98 08:01:55
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Subject: MSDS
Does anyone have a universal MSDS system and if so what is it??? If not,
are there any suggestions??? I'm primarily interested in media "on line"
or a "web site".
Susan
Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S.
Coordinator, Instructional Laboratories and Facility Safety
University of Oklahoma
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
620 Parrington Oval, Room 208
Norman, OK 73019
Phone: 405-325-2742
FAX: 405-325-6111
e-mail: sklauterbach@ou.edu
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:47:36 -0500
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From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
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Personally, I like to read all the stuff that gets posted. I also like to jump around and
read what applies to me first. I think the subject line code is simple and easy and I
really don't consider it administrative bureaucracy. It is just a bit of good old common
curtesy to our fellow list members.
By the way, I have only received a couple replies to my call for materials for the first
edition of The Chip. Are there any hot and spicy safety items you would like me to dip
into?
Let me know by 4/16, Janeen.
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:04:12 -0500
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From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
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As a member of a microbiology department, I will say that good old clorox is hard to beat.
It is cheap and in a 2% solution for 10 minutes you can kill bacterial and viral
contaminants. So, as students leave, have them drop goggles into a fresh 2% clorox bath
and by the time the next class is ready to start, the goggles are ready! Just have the
students rinse in tap water and dry.
UV lights are good for overnight decontamination, but they are higher maintenance than
clorox.
For what its worth, Janeen
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If your district can afford it, the best way from my perspective is to
provide each student and faculty member (employee) his/her own
goggles. However, they must be responsible for cleaning their own
personnel protective equipment on a regular basis. This can be done
one of several methods; e.g., goggle sanitizer (most expensive and can
be least effective if not done correctly!), rubbing alcohol packet or
hot water with detergent.
These methods can also be used if goggles are shared. If this is the
case, they must be cleaned prior to another person using them, Goggle
sanitizers are expensive and require considerable time to "sanitize"
the ppe. Our high school biology lab did a little experiment. We put
petri plates on each shelf of the sanitizer. Ran it for the
recommended time frame (about 15 - 20 minutes). Interestingly enough,
plates at the top third of the cabinet produced zero bacteria colony
growth. However, after that point, the farther down the cabinet, the
more colonies grew on the plate!
Bottom line - a short time between classes in a typical high school
lab won't cut it for sanitizing.
Pink eye is always a concern when using goggles by more than one
individual.
I hope this has been helpful.
Dr. Ken Roy
District Director of Science and Safety
Glastonbury Public Schools
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:37:25 -0000
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:39:53 +0800
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From: Martin Lindsay <clarke@WEB.NET.AU>
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Check out this site
http://www.chem.uky.edu/resources/msds.html
Martin
At 09:01 AM 14/04/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a universal MSDS system and if so what is it??? If not,
>are there any suggestions??? I'm primarily interested in media "on line"
>or a "web site".
>
>Susan
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From: Michelle McConville <mm685@POPPA.FAB.ALBANY.EDU>
Organization: University at Albany - SUNY
Subject: Basic Lab Safety Course
Is anyone sponsoring, or does anyone know of a lab safety course that
is being offered in the Northeast within the next few months?? I
have 3 chem lab techs that the chair of the Chem Dept. would like
retrained. These people do the prep for all our teaching labs and
direct work study students. We want to make sure the examples set by
the techs are prudent and safe. Any info is helpful!!
TIA.
Michelle McConville CSP,ARM
University @ Albany
Environmental Health & Safety
Chemistry B-73
Albany, NY 12222
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 07:04:38 EDT
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Michelle McConiville wrote:
<< Is anyone sponsoring, or does anyone know of a lab safety course
that is being offered in the Northeast within the next few months?? >>
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Opportunities for Lab Safety and Chemical Hygiene Officer Training:
(Updated April 15, 1998)
April 23 South Padre Island, TX SW Assn of Forensic Scientists
One-day lab safety seminars
May 2 Houston, TX Aldine ISD
Two-day lab safety short course (1st day)
May 9 Houston, TX Aldine ISD
Two-day lab safety short course (2nd day)
May 30 Philadelphia, PA American Institute of Chemists
One-day Lab Safety Seminar
June 15-16 Houston,TX Harris County Board of Education
One-day seminars on science safety for secondary and
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June 17-21 San Marcos, TX Southwest Texas State University
A 24-hour course in lab safety for secondary science
teachers. Call Tricia McGann at LSI
June 22-25 Raleigh/Durham, NC LS&EM'98 will host a one-day
lab safety seminar and one-day workshop on How to
Be a more Effective CHO Call Dawnn Pecharka
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July 7-11 Reno, NV University of Nevada-Reno
A 24-hour course in lab safety for college and
university
science faculty and staff. Call Tricia McGann at LSI
July 15-19 Boston, MA Northeastern University
A 24-hour course in lab safety for secondary science
teachers. Call Tricia McGann at LSI
July 20-24 Boston, MA Department of Defense Education Activity
One-Week training for CHO's
July 26 Portland, ME NAOSMM National Meeting
One-day seminar
July 29-Aug 1 Charleston, SC College of Charleston A 24-hour
lab safety course for college and university science
educators Call Tricia McGann at LSI
August 10 Canada 15th BCCE
Lab Safety and CHO Seminars
August 11 Oklahoma City, OK OK Dept of Ed
One-Day Seminar
August 13 Tulsa, OK OK Dept of Ed
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August 18&19; Joliete, IL Joliete Community College
One-Day Seminar
August 26 Pittsburgh. PA Carnegie Mellon University
One-Day seminar on lab safety for students
August 21 Boston, MA American Chemical Society Nat'l Mtg
One-day seminar on lab safety. Contact Russ Phifer
envasset@juno.com
August 22 Boston, MA American Chemical Society Nat'l Mtg
One-day seminar on "How to be a more Effective CHO
Contact Russ Phifer
September 3 Ardmore, OK OK Bureau of Investigation
One Day Seminar on Lab Safety
September 17 Galveston, TX Gulf Coast Conference
One-Day Seminar
October 20-21 Connecticut Connecticut Dept of Education
Two one-day seminars
November 5 Ardmore, OK OK Bureau of Investigation
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November 6 Garden City, NY Adelphi University
Lab Safety Conference
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>Some of our high schools would like to use the UV cabinets for sanitizing
goggles shared by students . . .
>Are there any thoughts about cost effectiveness of UV cabinets vs. massive
purchase of goggles for each student.
My observation is that UV is very harsh on plastics causing clouding and
brittleness which would render eyewear useless very shortly.
Chris Younghans-Haug
EH&S Programs Coordinator for the College of Medicine
Zot Code 2725
University of California
Irvine 92697-2725
tel (714) 824-5073
fax (714) 824-8539
email: chrisyh@uci.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:03:12 -0400
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Hi everyone,
Since I skipped the introductions earlier, here's a quick one before my
question. My name is Julie Drotz, I am the district safety officer and IH
for the US Food and Drug Administration, San Francisco District. I handle
lab safety, general safety, hazardous waste, training, disaster prep, OWCP,
etc and serve as the CHO, RSO and every other __O in regards to safety and
health.
Here's my question. I have been asked to coordinate the lab part of the Take
your Daughter to Work Day for our office. Since I won't take the kids into
the labs, I would like to set up some neat little demonstrations and
experiments for the kids in a training room. Does anyone have any ideas or
have done this before? So far we are going to set up some microscopes and do
some simple chromatography. We are expecting 10-15 kids, from 8-14 years
old. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Julie Drotz
US FDA
jdrotz@ora.fda.gov
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:30:06 -0400
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Greetings,
Well of course you must freeze flowers in liquid nitrogen. You may=20
even want to pound in a nail with a frozen apple. (use an oven mitt to=20
hold the thing) If it melts too soon just tell them it's another way=20
to make apple sauce.
We use to do something called the rainbow connection - serenaded by=20
Kermit himself. Use seven or some beakers to do an acid base color=20
change using the colors of the rainbow. I may be able to dig out the=20
recipe if your interested.
Oh! and Root beer in an ultrasonicator. Be prepared for a geyser. The=20
kids love it if they think you think it's out of control.
All I can remember off the top of my head. Kudos=92 to you this is so=20
much fun. =20
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Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist, CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 14:08:27 -0800
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From: Teresa Robertson <Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU>
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We have a good iodine clock, an oscillating clock, and a recipe for
slime ("gak" if you make it thicker, as seen on Nickelodeon game shows).
Also, Chemical Demonstrations - A Handbook for Teachers of Chemistry by
Bassam Z. Shakhashiri
Volume 1, 1983
Volume 2, 1985
Volume 3, 1989
Volume 4, 1992 (dedicated to Don Herbert, tv's Mr. Wizard)
The University of Wisconsin Press
We have recently developed a guideline for such demos on our campus
based on the rules given to our local elementary school teachers. You
might be able to find such guidance through your local school district.
TRR, CSUB CCHO
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:41:03 EDT
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In a message dated 98-04-16 08:28:11 EDT, you write:
<< It was my understanding that on site MSDS's had to be from the specific
>chemical manufacturer or distributor. a generic MSDS from an
>electronic database does not satisfy this. >>
JAK: At the OSHA.gov web site, you can go on-line and look at their
interpretations to questions like these. And a letter to OSHA will
generate a written response. This helps to settle the matter.
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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:41:15 EDT
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Hello All 4-16-98
We here at the University of TX of Arlington, we were audited by the
TX Department of Health(TDH) back in September. Well, we still are in the
audit process. Some changes have started; we also are working on getting
all MSDSs. Next after getting all the MSDS sheets, adding secondary labels
to all bottles that do not ha
e chemical name (exactly like on the MSDS),
physical and health hazards, target organs and manufacturer's name and
address.
Over Christmas I had students working on chemical inventory and
finding the MSDSs. My favorite is the Univ of Utah from the internet. Easy
to read and fill out a additional label from. After our Safety Dept & Univ
Environmental Lawyer meet with TDH & Lawyers in Austin, one of the things
that came out was that Univ of Utah MSDSs from the internet are not
technically an MSDS because it does not have a manufactures address on it.
We bought the Aldrich CD. It is wonderful. You can put in the
compound name, cas #, or formula. The easiest way is to put in the cas #
and it brings it right up. Just the name brings up too many choices. Our
chemistry research labs have borrowed th CD for an evening or a weekend and
all but two labs have every MSDS for all their chemicals.
Something I learned from our TDH audit was that the MSDS name had to
match exactly, ie: Acetone- reagent grade; Acetone- spect grade; Acetone-
hplc grade; and Acetone-deutrated a seperate MSDS for each. What a job!!!
I have had to hire six extra student workers to do just this job. I alone
have over 5,000 chemicals, next we do all our professors about 12.
I have also learned that the Aldrich MSDSs are overly cautious, but
Fisher MSDSs say nothing. If the company does not exist anymore, we get the
MSDS from Aldrich. We just make sure the name matches.
That is my MSDS update.
Jeanmarie Ford|
University of TX at Arlington
Chemistry Department
jmford@uta.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:07:07 EDT
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In a message dated 98-04-16 19:18:18 EDT, you write:
<< Subj: Re: MSDSs
Date: 98-04-16 19:18:18 EDT
From: j-pingel@UIUC.EDU (John E. Pingel)
Sender: NAOSMM@LISTSERV.RICE.EDU (National Association of Scientific
Materials Managers
All the comments thus far have addressed regulatory requirements. It is
important to remember that regulations should never be our only motivation
for decisions, employee or student safety and campus liability may call for
greater standards. Two more possible considerations about MSDSs that you
may want to check out include:
1. Some campuses save the correct manufacturer's specific MSDS for a
chemical because some hospitals that take patients that were injured by a
given chemical won't treat the patient without the exact matching MSDS.
2. Some campuses save all their old specific MSDSs while some save MSDSs
of chemicals that were involved with specific incidents in the event of
some later legal action against the campus.
John >>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 07:57:09 EDT
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Welcome to membership in NACHO the LABSAFETY-L
discussion list. We now have 400 members!
.
Participation in this discussion list is a membership benefit of both
The National Association of Chemical Hygiene Officers and the
Laboratory Safety Workshop.
This discussion list is a forum for conversation about lab safety/
CHP/CHO issues. And, its the virtual meeting place for the
growth and development of the new organization, NACHO.
This is the exciting beginning. To stimulate the conversation
and to get to know each other better, it would be helpful if new
members would introduce themselves and share their concerns,
questions, and ideas about lab safety and the organization itself.
There is a steering committee made up of those NACHO members
who have offered to help NACHO provide better service to its members.
Anyone who would like to work can be part of the committee.
Welcome to NACHO. ... jak
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508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
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organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
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schedule, and membership infromation are available on request.
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:28:22 -0400
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From: Marjorie and Robert Ostrander <margebob@ICAN.NET>
Subject: MSDS compliance in private schools
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Hi,
My name is Bob Ostrander. I teach chemistry at Manlius Pebble Hill
School in DeWitt, New York. I have a PhD in chemistry and am currently in
the process of updating the standards at MPH. One of my major concerns is
that many schools (maybe even especially private schools) are not aware of
OSHA's standards for their chemistry labs.
After spending quite a bit of time at the OSHA.Gov site, it's not very
hard to understand why there seems to be so much confusion over what OSHA
demands are at this level. Audits are done for University and College sites
and most of these folks find out in the audit just what the demands are. If
you don't have a full time safety administrator who's job it is to sift
through the mountains of information that does not relate to your site, you
would never find the specific information for your situation.
The information I have about what I need in my high school lab is
sketchy and second hand: obtained from listening in on sites like this on
the internet. How can I obtain a written list of the standards I need to be
following at a high school chemistry lab?
Many Thanks in advance,
BobO
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:44:24 -0400
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From: Dewey Williams <williams@EMAIL.UNCC.EDU>
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At 10:57 AM 4/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Some of our high schools would like to use the UV cabinets for sanitizing
>goggles shared by students . . .
>>Are there any thoughts about cost effectiveness of UV cabinets vs. massive
>purchase of goggles for each student.
>
>My observation is that UV is very harsh on plastics causing clouding and
>brittleness which would render eyewear useless very shortly.
>
This hasn't been the case for the hundreds of exposures our safety goggles
have endured. You are correct in that SOME plastics become brittle on
exposure to UV, but apparently not the plastic used in safety goggles.
What really makes them useless is someone cleaning them with acetone.
:)
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:57:56 -0400
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Dear Listers,
At Jim Kaufman's urging, I'm giving a brief run-down of my history.
I'm a transplanted Yankee now teaching at Coker College in Hartsville, SC.
There are only two faculty in the chemistry program and my colleague also
teaches physics. I previously held short-term appointments at three other
PUI's and have mentored many students in research. We have a new high-field
NMR and every instrument which might be needed for research is either on-site
or two blocks away at Sonoco Products Co. Coker houses and maintains the
NMR (translated: I do it) which also used by Sonoco and the South Carolina
Governor's School for Science & Mathematics (an elite residential HS on the
Coker campus - soon to building their own facility down the street).
I attended the week-long Lab Safety Workshop in Florence, SC last
August and I have worked this year to get our institution "up to speed" on
safety issues. I have written a draft of an institutional Chemical Hygiene
Plan which has yet to be implemented because of turnovers in Business
Operations VP, Director of Physical Plant, and Campus Security this year.
Believe it or not, the college had no chemical hygiene plan until now. It
doesn't appear likely that a Chemical Hygiene Officer will get any release
time here in the near future because of the tight financial situation we are
currently in. I have been able to improve our student safety equipment
and training, chemical storage and labeling, and done an inventory which is
being input into Chemical Inventory System. The next job will be to track
down
missing MSDS's and to get intranet access to these.
I am also hoping to attend the CHO training seminar in Raleigh/Durham in
June. By the way, I have a 24 contact hour per semester
teaching load because labs are counted based upon credit hours and I teach a
lot of labs and supervise undergraduate research students. By the way, I do
love my job in spite of the workload which I know must change over time.
I hope to get to know many of you in the future.
Frank Switzer
PS: Our President is now quite interested in the "Health & Safety Pledge".
Jim, could you tell more?
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Frank L. Switzer, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Chemistry
Coker College 300 East College Ave.
Hartsville, SC 29550
Voice: (843)383-8090
Fax: (843)383-8048
e-mail: fswitzer@pascal.coker.edu
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My name is Kathy Matty. I am the Laboratory Manager and designated
CHO in the Chemistry Area at Seminole Community College in Sanford,
Florida. (About 1 hour north of the famous Mouse.) S.C.C. is
building a new Science Laboratory Building, which will contain
Chemistry and Biology Laboratories. Chemistry faculty and staff had a
lot of input in the project, and we are proud of the safety features
that were included such as fume hoods at all lab stations, and a
separate area for flammable storage. I have attended several Lab
Safety Workshops in the past, but do not recall seeing many in the
Florida area. Maybe a meeting/workshop could be scheduled here
sometime in the future. I would be happy to help with the planning.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Kathy Matty, Laboratory Manager Phone: (407) 328-2257
Physical Sciences Department FAX: (407) 328-2238
Seminole Community College email: kmatty@ipo.seminole.cc.fl.us
100 Weldon Blvd.
Sanford, FL 32773
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:44:39 -0400
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Call your local OSHA office and they can give you the information for your
specific region. There are minor variations in interpretation from area to
area. There is info on the OSHA web pages and also look at California web
pages for info on schools including photo labs and art supplies. The
problem I'm seeing in schools is that the question of chemistry labs is
brought up, but then I find that no thought is given to all of the office
supplies, teaching supplies, and maintenance items where MSDSs are
required. Art supplies and photo labs are very often forgotten.
Dr. Henry Boyter, Jr. Ph.D. Chemist
The opinions of Dr. Boyter are provided for informational purposes only and
should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism
is implied.
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From: Marjorie and Robert Ostrander <margebob@ICAN.NET>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: MSDS compliance in private schools
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 8:28 AM
Hi,
My name is Bob Ostrander. I teach chemistry at Manlius Pebble Hill
School in DeWitt, New York. I have a PhD in chemistry and am currently in
the process of updating the standards at MPH. One of my major concerns is
that many schools (maybe even especially private schools) are not aware of
OSHA's standards for their chemistry labs.
After spending quite a bit of time at the OSHA.Gov site, it's not very
hard to understand why there seems to be so much confusion over what OSHA
demands are at this level. Audits are done for University and College
sites
and most of these folks find out in the audit just what the demands are.
If
you don't have a full time safety administrator who's job it is to sift
through the mountains of information that does not relate to your site, you
would never find the specific information for your situation.
The information I have about what I need in my high school lab is
sketchy and second hand: obtained from listening in on sites like this on
the internet. How can I obtain a written list of the standards I need to
be
following at a high school chemistry lab?
Many Thanks in advance,
BobO
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Hello Julie-
Go to your local library and look for books like
"Chemistry for every Kid" etc. in the science
section. There are many books that use low hazard
chemicals. One of our instructors authored a
"kitchen chemistry" lab book which included a
great chromatography experiment. Call me and I
will fax/ mail it to you.
Kendell Silveira
408.479.5060
kesilvei@cabrillo.cc.ca.us
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:41:10 -0400
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Greetings,
I believe for single chemical MSDS one should find the best one! What
do I mean. Well, if I spilled HF on myself that MSDS will accompany me
to the hospital. J. T. Bake, now bought by Mallincrodt, has the best
MSDS because it has detailed medical information about treatment for a
physician than any I've seen. They also will give glove recommendations
instead of the useless phrase "chemically resistant gloves".
We have Aldrich only because it has the most MSD sheets and will
satisfy the regulators. Ugh. J. T. Baker's has limited numbers of
MSDS about 300 but the ones they have are the most complete and useful
that I've seen.
Madelyn
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:56:03 -0400
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Greetings,
According to the newest edition of Haz-Comm. electronic data bases are=20
allowed. If the chemicals are the same, I think the necessity for=20
having the manufacturer's original is not necessary. However, for=20
chemicals that have more than one component like WD-40, you should=20
have the manufacturer=92s original.
My two cents.
Madelyn
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Jim, I am the Chemical Hygiene Officer at a federal research and
development laboratory, President of the Pensacola Chapter of ASSE
and past Chairperson of the Central Gulf Coast Federal Safety &
Health Council. Please let me know if/how I can help steer NACHO.
Thanks,
Patrick Borthwick, CSP
Safety & Occupational Health Manager
EPA ORD NHEERL Gulf Ecology Division
1 Sabine Island Drive
Gulf Breeze, FL 32561-5299
ph 850.934.9357 fax 850.934-9201
e-mail borthwick.patrick@epamail.epa.gov
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Hello:
I am a recently appointed CHO at our college. In addition to functioning
as the CHO for the college, I am a chemistry professor. I am learning
much about the duties of the CHO by reading this list. Thanks to all of
those who have given advice to the less experienced.
I have a problem with classification of "hazardous" substances in use in
the art and biology departments at our school. For example, some art
supplies purchased from local suppliers state "non-toxic" on the label.
(Crayola crayons and finger paints are examples.) Are we required to have
an MSDS sheet for such items? How can I find the answer to these
questions without wading through the OSHA website?
In a related vein, I am wondering if it is necessary to have an MSDS sheet
for proteins used in the biology department. For example, the biology
department uses egg albumin, immunoglobins and various other seemingly
harmless substances. I am guessing the answer to my question is that an
MSDS sheet is required for these things.
Is there a readable resource which I could rely upon for answers to these
kinds of questions?
Thanks in advance.
Karen Glover
e-mail: kglover@keller.clarke.edu
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LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>I have a problem with classification of "hazardous" substances in use in
>the art and biology departments at our school. For example, some art
>supplies purchased from local suppliers state "non-toxic" on the label.
>(Crayola crayons and finger paints are examples.) Are we required to
>have
>an MSDS sheet for such items?
My impression is that you should have msds for materials that are
non-hazardous also. I've found them to be available for such items
through office supply stores as well as the manufacturers. While your
employer may include the art dept. in your CHO duties, the law calling
for a CHO is "The Lab Standard" which does not pertain to the art dept,
(even many "lab operations" are exempt), but HazCom does apply.
>How can I find the answer to these
>questions without wading through the OSHA website?
NACHO ! but keep in mind what you will need to determine what local
laws affect you also, and we all need to keep in mind that many
"prudent practices" we take for granted as SOP are not backed by law.
>Is there a readable resource which I could rely upon for answers to
>these
>kinds of questions?
I used to ship small amounts of hazardous materials across the country
via Fed Ex. The haz mat expert at the Fed Ex office told me the
regulations change daily, and even he cannot stay on top of
them....that even if my package passed his inspection, it my be
rejected en route by another inspector.... No source is ever 100%
reliable. There is a lot of obsolete and mis-information out there,
even in the best books. Knowledge is dynamic. You have to pull from
many resources.
TRR, CSUB CCHO
>Thanks in advance.
>Karen Glover
>e-mail: kglover@keller.clarke.edu
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Karen,
I have a similar task at hand as CHO of our campus.
I believe the hazard communication standard holds specific exemptions for
some materials, namely those which are considerd "consumer products" which
are used in a manner consistent with their intended purpose. See
29CFR1910.1200 b(6)(ix).
As is always prudent, however, you may run across some of these products
for which it would not be unreasonable to have an MSDS. For instance, a
bottle of paint thinner or acetone purchased from Wal-Mart might seem to
fit the exemption description given in HazCom but, with respect to prudent
practice and the general duty clause, their use could call for an available
MSDS.
I would really like to hear some thoughts on this as well. And, if anyone
knows how to actually get art professors to pay attention to the HazCom
requirements please share!
Mark Smith
Hendrix College
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> Hello:
> I am a recently appointed CHO at our college. In addition to functioning
> as the CHO for the college, I am a chemistry professor. I am learning
> much about the duties of the CHO by reading this list. Thanks to all of
> those who have given advice to the less experienced.
>
> I have a problem with classification of "hazardous" substances in use in
> the art and biology departments at our school. For example, some art
> supplies purchased from local suppliers state "non-toxic" on the label.
> (Crayola crayons and finger paints are examples.) Are we required to have
> an MSDS sheet for such items? How can I find the answer to these
> questions without wading through the OSHA website?
>
First - realize that "non-toxic" is not a legal term, it is an
advertising term. And, just because they stamp non-toxic on the
crayons doesn't mean they are safe - - remember the imported crayons
that were recently recalled because of high lead levels.
The best way is to call the manufacturer (number is probably on the
box somewhere) and ask if there is an MSDS available - - they are the
ones who are responsible for making sure that if it is hazardous one
is made available to you. If one isn't available, ask them to
document it in a letter to you - - yes, it may be a little combursome
at first, but you will find that usually they do have one that says
the product is not hazardous as defined by OSHA, but that "some"
individuals may ben sensitive, etc.
> In a related vein, I am wondering if it is necessary to have an MSDS sheet
> for proteins used in the biology department. For example, the biology
> department uses egg albumin, immunoglobins and various other seemingly
> harmless substances. I am guessing the answer to my question is that an
> MSDS sheet is required for these things.
>
> Is there a readable resource which I could rely upon for answers to these
> kinds of questions?
Vendors are really good sources of information about their products -
- ask them for help. I'd be willing to bet that the biological suppy
house has the information that you need.
Barb
Barbara O'Keeffe,
Advancia Corporation
211 SW "A" Avenue, Lawton, Oklahoma 73501
http://www.advancia.com
voice: 580-355-1471 fax: 580-357-9360
e-mail: okeeffeb@advancia.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:28:26 -0400
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>
My name is Kathy Matty. I am the Laboratory Manager and designated
> CHO in the Chemistry Area at Seminole Community College in Sanford,
> Florida. (About 1 hour north of the famous Mouse.) S.C.C. is
> building a new Science Laboratory Building, which will contain
> Chemistry and Biology Laboratories. Chemistry faculty and staff had a
> lot of input in the project, and we are proud of the safety features
> that were included such as fume hoods at all lab stations, and a
> separate area for flammable storage. I have attended several Lab
> Safety Workshops in the past, but do not recall seeing many in the
> Florida area. Maybe a meeting/workshop could be scheduled here
> sometime in the future. I would be happy to help with the planning.
I agree that there should be more safety meetings in Florida. There's quite
a large population of chemists in Florida, mostly working in academia, I
believe. Please give me a call sometime about this. Maybe we can arrange
something through the Florida Section of the American Chemical Society
meeting next year.
>
>
>
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> Kathy Matty, Laboratory Manager Phone: (407) 328-2257
> Physical Sciences Department FAX: (407) 328-2238
> Seminole Community College email: kmatty@ipo.seminole.cc.fl.us
> 100 Weldon Blvd.
> Sanford, FL 32773
>
> * * Any opinions are the author's * *
>
>
EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville
PO Box 5951
Gainesville, FL 32627
PCR, Inc.
PO Box 1466
Gainesville, FL 32602
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Another excellent source of experiments for kids is the American Chemical
Society. They publish books called "Kids and Chemistry". One volume
contains hands-on experiments while the other describes demonstrations.
These experiments have been tested thoroughly for safety. The ACS phone
number is 1-800-227-5558. Ask for the Kids and Chemistry program
coordinator. I have a lot more information I can share if you are
interested. Just e-mail me off the list or give me a call.
Julie O'Brien
>
EXPO The Children's Museum of Gainesville
PO Box 5951
Gainesville, FL 32627
PCR, Inc.
PO Box 1466
Gainesville, FL 32602
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Ms. O'Keefe,
As of yet, there are no requirements to provide or obtain
MSDSs for biologic materials. I encourage researchers to
handle even the most apparantly benign agents with extreme
caution. This was brought hame to me a year ago when a
nervous Professor called to say she had recieved a
notification from an enzyme supply company that warned her
that one of the human donors of plasma used in oune of
their products had come down with Crutzfelt Jacobs disease.
The company screened their donors for Hepetitis B and A and
HIV, but not CJD. Our professor was concerned because six
months earlier, on of her students working with this agent
had pricked her finger. Until now they were under the
assumption that there had been no risk.
By spending an anxious day learning as uch as I could about
how an exposure of this sort could have happened I learned
that producers of biologic materials are under much less
control than chemical manufactureres. This may be due to
several reasons, one being that the risks of exposure are
less and that there are not as many users. Although
producers of these enzymes used in research do some testing
of thier human donors, they are not required to and if they
do they are not required to provide this information to the
client purchasing the materials.
I could go on and on about this topic but I won't bore you.
In the end we were able to trace all of our purchases and
match the dates of the shipments to verify that the student
had not been using the contaminated batch when she was
exposed. But I use this story in Biosafety training to
express the risk potential when handling unknows.
Tom Fuller
Biological Safety Officer
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:05:50 +0000 Barbara O'Keeffe
<okeeffeb@ADVANCIA.COM> wrote:
> > Hello:
> > I am a recently appointed CHO at our college. In addition to functioning
> > as the CHO for the college, I am a chemistry professor. I am learning
> > much about the duties of the CHO by reading this list. Thanks to all of
> > those who have given advice to the less experienced.
> >
> > I have a problem with classification of "hazardous" substances in use
in
> > the art and biology departments at our school. For example, some art
> > supplies purchased from local suppliers state "non-toxic" on the
label.
> > (Crayola crayons and finger paints are examples.) Are we required to have
> > an MSDS sheet for such items? How can I find the answer to these
> > questions without wading through the OSHA website?
> >
>
> First - realize that "non-toxic" is not a legal term, it is an
> advertising term. And, just because they stamp non-toxic on the
> crayons doesn't mean they are safe - - remember the imported crayons
> that were recently recalled because of high lead levels.
>
> The best way is to call the manufacturer (number is probably on the
> box somewhere) and ask if there is an MSDS available - - they are the
> ones who are responsible for making sure that if it is hazardous one
> is made available to you. If one isn't available, ask them to
> document it in a letter to you - - yes, it may be a little combursome
> at first, but you will find that usually they do have one that says
> the product is not hazardous as defined by OSHA, but that "some"
> individuals may ben sensitive, etc.
>
> > In a related vein, I am wondering if it is necessary to have an MSDS sheet
> > for proteins used in the biology department. For example, the biology
> > department uses egg albumin, immunoglobins and various other seemingly
> > harmless substances. I am guessing the answer to my question is that an
> > MSDS sheet is required for these things.
> >
> > Is there a readable resource which I could rely upon for answers to these
> > kinds of questions?
>
> Vendors are really good sources of information about their products -
> - ask them for help. I'd be willing to bet that the biological suppy
> house has the information that you need.
>
> Barb
>
> Barbara O'Keeffe,
> Advancia Corporation
> 211 SW "A" Avenue, Lawton, Oklahoma 73501
> http://www.advancia.com
> voice: 580-355-1471 fax: 580-357-9360
> e-mail: okeeffeb@advancia.com
----------------------
Thomas Fuller
fullert@bc.edu
Boston College
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LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>I would really like to hear some thoughts on this as well. And, if
>anyone
>knows how to actually get art professors to pay attention to the HazCom
>requirements please share!
It's only the art profs you have trouble with ! How lucky you are !
For some reason most do not seem to take the fact that they could be
responsible for the maiming or death of another as motivation enough,
but seriously, from the OSHA web site you can find data for the most
frequently written citations. HazCom is at the top of the list for
most business types. (Don't let them see the $ amounts of fines
actually collected, they are too low to motivate.) Find articles,
etc. that tell of the grief their colleagues on other non-compliant
campuses have endured due to OSHA / EPA visits. EPA does not limit
it's fines to the institution; there are personal fines occur also.
TRR
>Mark Smith
>Hendrix College
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Greetings,
The haz com standard states and I quote:
Consumer are exempt - as long as the:
Frequency or exposure is not greater than the exposure that could be
reasonably be experienced by consumers when used to the purpose
intended.
So if one uses chlorox for 8 hours a day you would need a MSDS.
IV. What is not covered.
A. Hazardous Waste
B. Tobacco or Tobacco products
C. Wood or wood products except those that contain haz. chemicals
- treated wood
D. Consumer products - see above:
E. Nuisance Particulates - ex. dust
Secondly, MSDS are only needed for products that have a hazardous
component. We have all laughed at MSDS for water and glucose. I think
non haz chemicals don't need to have a MSDS. My two cents.
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:15:59 -0600 Mark Smith
<smithme@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU> wrote:
> Karen,
>
> I have a similar task at hand as CHO of our campus.
> I believe the hazard communication standard holds specific exemptions for
> some materials, namely those which are considerd "consumer products" which
> are used in a manner consistent with their intended purpose. See
> 29CFR1910.1200 b(6)(ix).
>
> As is always prudent, however, you may run across some of these products
> for which it would not be unreasonable to have an MSDS. For instance, a
> bottle of paint thinner or acetone purchased from Wal-Mart might seem to
> fit the exemption description given in HazCom but, with respect to prudent
> practice and the general duty clause, their use could call for an available
> MSDS.
>
> I would really like to hear some thoughts on this as well. And, if anyone
> knows how to actually get art professors to pay attention to the HazCom
> requirements please share!
>
>
> Mark Smith
> Hendrix College
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>MSDS are only needed for products that have a hazardous
>component. We have all laughed at MSDS for water and glucose.
If you found that MSDS humorous, try a search on just water, are you
interested in the hazards of distilled? HPLC? Did you know you can
drown in water? The MSDS says so.
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>Find articles,
>etc. that tell of the grief their colleagues on other non-compliant
>campuses have endured due to OSHA / EPA visits. EPA does not limit
>it's fines to the institution; there are personal fines occur also.
>TRR
This is a good suggestion. Does anyone know of a good source for finding
such articles? Can anyone share personal knowledge of a college art
department being cited?
Mark Smith
CHO - Hendrix College
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Demos
My students love the alcohol cannon. Lots of opportunity to discuss energy
concepts, heat and work. And the amount of energy from such a small amount of
alcohol leads to a great deal of respect for chemicals
Marty Besant
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Laugh all you want about MSDSs for water. Here at Hanford, we have not
only an MSDS for water, but also one for air. It covers primarily the
hazards for pressurized air cylinders; nonetheless, it's great to tell
someone you have that MSDS. And don't forget to keep air away from
flammable chemicals!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresa Robertson [SMTP:Teresa_Robertson@FIRSTCLASS1.CSUBAK.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 1998 4:31 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
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>
> LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
> >MSDS are only needed for products that have a hazardous
> >component. We have all laughed at MSDS for water and glucose.
>
> If you found that MSDS humorous, try a search on just water, are you
> interested in the hazards of distilled? HPLC? Did you know you can
> drown in water? The MSDS says so.
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Having supervised the writing of MSDSs for many years, I think I can provide
some useful comments on this issue.
In 1910.1200, OSHA provides a very broad definition of a "hazardous
substance"' namely one that can cause any physical or health affect.
Irritation is a reasonably foreseeable health affect which is caused by many
otherwise low hazard substances. Thus, if the chemical manufacturer
(importer or distributor) determines that irritation can occur, then a MSDS
must be made available.
MSDSs do not need to enter consumer channels. However, if a consumer
product is used in a manner inconsistent with consumer use ( ie. using a
cleanser for 6 - 8 hours a day to clean toilet bowls) then the employer must
obtain a MSDS.
The rub occurs when the manufacturer does not have one. The employer really
does not have a choice; you must either switch to a product which has the
MSDS or change to process to reflect consumer use.
Because of this, many consumer product manufacturers have produced MSDSs.
Call their Customer Service line and ask.
PET PEEVE: "non-toxic" while we in the toxicology/safety/IH community know
what this means, it is totally misleading. It offends me ... as well as
confuses many people. Crayolas are "low - toxicity" or "low hazard".
They
are not "non-toxic"
I hope this helps ...
Neal
At 01:40 PM 4/17/98 -0800, you wrote:
>LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>
>>I have a problem with classification of "hazardous" substances in use in
>>the art and biology departments at our school. For example, some art
>>supplies purchased from local suppliers state "non-toxic" on the label.
>>(Crayola crayons and finger paints are examples.) Are we required to
>>have
>>an MSDS sheet for such items?
>My impression is that you should have msds for materials that are
>non-hazardous also. I've found them to be available for such items
>through office supply stores as well as the manufacturers. While your
>employer may include the art dept. in your CHO duties, the law calling
>for a CHO is "The Lab Standard" which does not pertain to the art dept,
>(even many "lab operations" are exempt), but HazCom does apply.
>
>>How can I find the answer to these
>>questions without wading through the OSHA website?
>NACHO ! but keep in mind what you will need to determine what local
>laws affect you also, and we all need to keep in mind that many
>"prudent practices" we take for granted as SOP are not backed by law.
>
>>Is there a readable resource which I could rely upon for answers to
>>these
>>kinds of questions?
>I used to ship small amounts of hazardous materials across the country
>via Fed Ex. The haz mat expert at the Fed Ex office told me the
>regulations change daily, and even he cannot stay on top of
>them....that even if my package passed his inspection, it my be
>rejected en route by another inspector.... No source is ever 100%
>reliable. There is a lot of obsolete and mis-information out there,
>even in the best books. Knowledge is dynamic. You have to pull from
>many resources.
>TRR, CSUB CCHO
>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>Karen Glover
>>e-mail: kglover@keller.clarke.edu
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:34:13 PST8PDT
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From: Debbie Decker <deckerd@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: MSDS compliance for Art departments
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Hey NACHO's:
Mark said, in part:
<As is always prudent, however, you may run across some of these
products for which it would not be unreasonable to have an MSDS. For
instance, a bottle of paint thinner or acetone purchased from
Wal-Mart might seem to fit the exemption description given in HazCom
but, with respect to prudent practice and the general duty clause,
their use could call for an available MSDS.>
An anecdote: big rush job (aren't they all?) required the carpenters
and painters to use an adhesive they had to get from the local Home
Depot. Brought it back on campus and started using it before
obtaining an MSDS. Ooops. I called up Home Depot and said to the
very young-sounding creature that answered the phone that I needed
an Material Safety Data Sheet and did I need to spell that? The
young thing said, hold, please. And connected me immediately to a
person who knew _precisely_ what I wanted and did I want it fax'd to
me? WOW! Was I impressed and told the store manager so <g>.
Moral? Sometimes it pays to ask an outrageous question of an
improbable source - you just might get your question answered <g>.
Luckily, our Art department is quite cognizant of safety and we
really don't have too much trouble with their compliance.
Cheers,
Deb.
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Chemical Hygiene Officer
CSU, Sacramento
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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:36:42 PST8PDT
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From: Debbie Decker <deckerd@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: MSDS compliance for Art departments
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<Laugh all you want about MSDSs for water. Here at Hanford, we have
not only an MSDS for water, but also one for air. It covers
primarily the hazards for pressurized air cylinders; nonetheless,
it's great to tell someone you have that MSDS. And don't forget to
keep air away from flammable chemicals!>
There's also one for coffee and for chocolate floating around.
Hilarious! :-)
Deb.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:36:24 EDT
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In a message dated 98-04-17 08:40:01 EDT, Bob Ostrander wrote:
<< How can I obtain a written list of the standards I need to be
following at a high school chemistry lab? >>
The Laboratory Safety Workshop is perhaps the best source of
information. The journal of chemical education referred to LSI
as "a national resource for safety conscious science teachers".
The best book on school chemistry lab safety (according to Dr.
John Bedenbaugh, chairman of the chemistry dept at Southern
Mississippi University) is by Clair Wood, Safety In School Science
Labs (published now by Kaufman & Associates, $19.95). Another is
the Laboratory Safety Pocket Guide edited by Paul Mercier (published
by Genium, $14.00 or $12.60 from LSI!). Prudent Practices in Laboratories
(published by the National Academy Press, $54.95).
Safety in Academic Chemistry Lab (published by the American Chemical
Society is free in single copies, $3.50 each for 2-199 or $2.50 each for
2-199 from LSI).
All are available from LSI. Save 5% by mentioning that you are a
NACHO member. All books on laboratory and occupational safety
are available from LSI.
The National Science Teachers Association publishes guidelines for
facilities for secondary schools.
The Texas Education Agency publishes Planning a Safe and Effective
Science Learning
Environment.
And on and on and on. Call LSI for more information.
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In a message dated 98-04-18 00:15:04 EDT, you write:
<< What about opportunities for Lab Safety Training for Secondary
Teachers in California. The East Coast and midwest is pretty well
covered by training opportunities.
Rochelle Macaluso
rmacalu@sfusd.k12.ca.us (Rochelle Macaluso) >>
JAK: LSI would be happy to work with State Departments of Education,
Science Supervisors Associations, Science/Chemistry/Biology/Physic
Teachers Associations to offer lab safety seminars, workshops, and short
courses in any part of the country where there is interest.
The State Department of Education in Virginia, New Mexico, Nevada,
Connecticut, and Massachusetts have done this.
The 24-hour Short Course in Reno at UNV-Reno July 15-18th is the
closest currently scheduled to California.
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Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 13:42:34 -0400
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From: Mary Ann Solstad <msolstad@MEDIAONE.NET>
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I concur with your first 2 points; I do not have an answer for your last
point. They won't pay attention until one of their own is injured.
Mary Ann
At 02:15 PM 4/17/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Karen,
>
>I have a similar task at hand as CHO of our campus.
>I believe the hazard communication standard holds specific exemptions for
>some materials, namely those which are considerd "consumer products" which
>are used in a manner consistent with their intended purpose. See
>29CFR1910.1200 b(6)(ix).
>
>As is always prudent, however, you may run across some of these products
>for which it would not be unreasonable to have an MSDS. For instance, a
>bottle of paint thinner or acetone purchased from Wal-Mart might seem to
>fit the exemption description given in HazCom but, with respect to prudent
>practice and the general duty clause, their use could call for an available
>MSDS.
>
>I would really like to hear some thoughts on this as well. And, if anyone
>knows how to actually get art professors to pay attention to the HazCom
>requirements please share!
>
>
>Mark Smith
>Hendrix College
>
Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety
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or
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From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
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Greetings,
I hope I'm not stating the obvious here, but if hospitals are relying on
MSDS for significant treatment information, I feel sorry for the patients
and the practitioners. MSDSs serve a purpose, but providing useful medical
information for effective treatment isn't one of them (as yet;
physical/toxicological info can help with decon and provide some applicable
data, but there's little of immediate use).
Austin EMS provided Austin's hospitals with suggestions for useful medical
references, combined with specific info from local industry. In this case
the most important purpose the MSDSs served was to provide the hospitals
with a broad list of nasty stuff they might run into; even better were
lists from users indicating not just names, but amounts and degrees of use
and hazard.
If anyone is interested in the names of some useful medical references for
chemical exposure (useful for prehospital AND in-hopsital), I'm happy to
provide them on- or off-list. In case anyone's curious, I have no
financial stake in any of the references or their producers.
Onward,
JNR
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
government of Canada, with which he has no affiliation.
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In a message dated 98-04-17 14:56:36 EDT, Karen Glover wrote:
<< Is there a readable resource which I could rely upon for answers
to these kinds of questions? >>
JAK: This is why NACHO and the LABSAFETY-L discussion list
are so important. This is the readable resource. Tell your friends.
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In a message dated 98-04-17 17:53:41 EDT, Mark Smith writes:
<< This is a good suggestion. Does anyone know of a good source for finding
such articles? Can anyone share personal knowledge of a college art
department being cited? >>
JAK: Russ Phifer assures me that you can go to the OSHA.gov web
site and search on sic code to find who got cited for what violations.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 02:51:03 -0400
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At 02:45 PM 4/17/98 -0800, you wrote:
>L
>>knows how to actually get art professors to pay attention to the HazCom
requirements please share!
>
Latch on to the 2 or 3rd issue of Chemical HEalth & Safety, pub. by ACS.
In that article 3 or 4 sad tales of artists friends to my grown children.
Two deaths from poor ventilation, one serious maiming from poorly labeled
material (quicklime used instead of Plaster of Paris).
Mary Ann
>It's only the art profs you have trouble with ! How lucky you are
>For some reason most do not seem to take the fact that they could be
>responsible for the maiming or death of another as motivation enough,
>but seriously, from the OSHA web site you can find data for the most
>frequently written citations. HazCom is at the top of the list for
>most business types. (Don't let them see the $ amounts of fines
>actually collected, they are too low to motivate.) Find articles,
>etc. that tell of the grief their colleagues on other non-compliant
>campuses have endured due to OSHA / EPA visits. EPA does not limit
>it's fines to the institution; there are personal fines occur also.
>
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Marty,
Please provide specifics on the alcohol canon. Please respond directly
to:
andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
Thanks
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Demos
My students love the alcohol cannon. Lots of opportunity to discuss energy
concepts, heat and work. And the amount of energy from such a small amount of
alcohol leads to a great deal of respect for chemicals
Marty Besant
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From: "C. Michael Woodward" <woodwac@MUOHIO.EDU>
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I know that Art really falls under hazcom but since there was a request for
info. . .
Here at Miami University we are getting the "Art Hazards News" It is
published by the Center for Safety in the arts, and it is a great resource
for MANY hazards found in art, even theater classes that are often over
looked, I even copied one of the 'Art process/related hazard charts that
they had for my own reference. The address for subscription ($24=1 year
4/year) is:
Art Hazards News
Mail Box 310
2124 Broadway
New York, NY 10023
E-Mail: csa@artswire.org
Web: http://artswire.org:70/1/csa
Let me know if this is useful to anyone on this list (it is my first
potentially useful contribution)
thanks
C. Michael Woodward EHSO
Hazardous Residual Manager/Lab Safety Coordinator Miami University
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Thanks for the arts hazard reference. This is the stuff we like to see shared!
Janeen
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I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on fume
hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or tape
that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
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Hello Jeff.
I am interested in the list of references and would bet that more folks are. Please post.
Thanks, Janeen Lapierre
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In the past I have created my own using Avery fluorescent laser labels
#5979. I used Word to put an arrow and wording I wanted. The person we
hired this year used colored tape similar to electrical tape. It is
available from Labsafety Supply, Fisher, and other lab equipment/safety
suppliers. The tape comes off fairly easily, the Avery labels do
not...you need alcohol and razor blade to remove. Hope this helps.
Dennis Edwards
Environmental Health and Safety Coordinator
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> From: Robert Murphy[SMTP:murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU]
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>
> I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on
> fume
> hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or
> tape
> that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
> anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
> ****************************************
> Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
> Environmental Health and Safety
> Bowling Green State Universtiy
> Phone : (419) 372-2171
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At 08:09 AM 4/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on fume
>hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or tape
>that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
>anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
>****************************************
>Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
>Environmental Health and Safety
>Bowling Green State Universtiy
>Phone : (419) 372-2171
>****************************************
Robert,
We use that Dymo embossing tape. It works pretty well, and the residue
comes off with a little alcohol.
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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NACHO colleagues,
A colleague wishes to work with nickeltetracarbonyl, a notoriously toxic
gas, and we wish to take the appropriate precautions. We are concerned
about the hood in which these experiments will be performed. I have
measured the face velocity in several operating modes using a
Vanemeter. (I cannot verify that this device is properly calibrated; I
have no a priori reason to suspect it is, or isn't, giving reliable
information.)
When the sash is fully open, I have measured the face velocity at nine
locations (3x3 matrix) and calculated a simple average of about 50 cfm.
The values are not consistent throughout: range about 20-90 cfm overall,
range = +/- about 15 cfm at any single location. The variation is not
a big surprise since there is equipment inside the hood which will
surely render the velocities different at different locations.
When the sash is about half-open, the face velocity averages about 120
cfm at "quarter height."
When the sash is about 1/3-open (2/3 closed), the face velocity averages
about 155 cfm.
I am considering having another motor installed in the system; we can
"upgrade" somewhat without exceeding the motor size for this particular
hood system (according to my local physical plant coordinator, who has a
P.E. degree and generally knows his stuff). Upgrading would cost about
$300 and some downtime, but I can outweigh these negatives by the safety
argument, if needed. I assume that this would increase the face
velocities, but I don't know by how much (or how linearly this might be
related to motor horsepower, for example.)
My questions are:
1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?)
2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open, the
average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least) 60
cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
from an ergonomic perspective.
Thanks in advance for replies. Like many readers, I was appointed as
the CHO; my background is in academic chemistry, not IH.
Dave
--
David C. Finster
Professor and Chair University Chemical Hygiene
Officer
Department of Chemistry 937-327-6441
Wittenberg University dfinster@wittenberg.edu
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From: "Tayman, Tammy" <ttayman@MC.CC.MD.US>
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You might also want to investigate one of the "newer generation" label
makers from Brother, etc. They make labels on tape which is laminated and
comes in 1/4 inch up to at least an inch, depending on the particular label
maker. They have a wide range of special characters and can even do various
bar codes (handy for inventory). We use them for labeling some bottles and
find that they are extremely chemical resistant but can be removed easily,
using a bit of fingernail power to start the process. They also come in a
variety of colors, including some rather eye-catching fluorescents! Hawk
Direct is the vendor I use. Their number is 1-800-458-3430. And, no, I
don't get any kick-back from them. Just the satisfaction of knowing I've
helped out a collegue! :>
I guess I should also introduce myself. My name is Tammy Tayman and I am
the Instructional Laboratory Coordinator for the Department of Chemistry at
Montgomery College, Rockville Campus, Rockville, Maryland. Which is a fancy
way of saying that if anything in the labs goes wrong, I get blamed! :)
I've been around the college as a student, student assistant-lab, student
assistant-office, lab technician and now Coordinator for about thirteen
years (present position for about six?). I have a background in EMS (rescue
squad for four years, ski patrol for nine) and have assisted (unofficially)
with some haz-mat responses in the county. My degree is in Biochemistry. I
do not believe that I got near enough safety training as an undergrad and am
working on changing that at our college. I am also known around here as a
"goggles cop", as I am very adamant about strict usage of goggles and only
using compliant (esp. splash resistant) ones. This after I received a face
full of acrylamide (neurotoxin) while making a gel in an undergrad lab where
we were told that "regular glasses are good enough". No permanent damage,
but the scare was enough!
I am enjoying all the useful information and can't wait to apply it all!
Thanks to all,
Tammy Tayman
Instr. Lab Coordinator
Dept of Chemistry
Montgomery College
Rockville, Maryland
"All opinions are my own and if anybody else says otherwise, I'll have
'words' with them!"
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From: Robert Murphy
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Hood Face Velocity Mark-offs
Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 9:09AM
I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on fume
hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or tape
that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
****************************************
Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety
Bowling Green State Universtiy
Phone : (419) 372-2171
****************************************
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I am trying to update and streamline our chemical inventories. It appears
that most places use bar codes to maintain their inventories. I recently
obtained a bar code reader from our IT folks and am working on setting up
the new inventory system using it and MS Access/Excel. My question is:
What barcode system do people use? I had no idea that there were that many
bar code types out there! I would appreciate any suggestions that people
have.
Thanks,
Tammy Tayman
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From: Robert Alaimo <alaimo.rj@PG.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Hood Face Velocity Mark-offs
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The ACS Committee on Environmental Improvement has developed a fume hood label
that has all the needed information on it plus an environmental statement.
Contact the ACS and ask for Susan Turner or someone in that office to see how
you can receive these labels.
Bob Alaimo
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Date: 4/20/98 9:28 AM
At 08:09 AM 4/20/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on fume
>hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or tape
>that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
>anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
>****************************************
>Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
>Environmental Health and Safety
>Bowling Green State Universtiy
>Phone : (419) 372-2171
>****************************************
Robert,
We use that Dymo embossing tape. It works pretty well, and the residue
comes off with a little alcohol.
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
-Special Agent Fox Mulder
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:49:29 -0400
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Dave,
Please STOP! Get professional help!!
Ni(CO)4 is extremely toxic for a number of reasons besides it's LD50;
it's very volatile, colorless/ sometimes off yellow; very flammable/
can be explosive; and can plate out in the lungs.
There sees to be some confusion in your message about cfm and lfm.
Face velocity alone never should be used as a measure of the proper
functioning/performance and capture of a lab hood-esp. w. substances
such as Ni(CO)4.
What happens to the hood exhaust?
Is there any remote possibility for reintrainment?
Is the hood motor on the roof/
What are the ducts like?
Are other hoods connected? Etc., etc. for starters.
Ni(CO)4 is really bad stuff-get some professional help-read all you can
besides the MSDS about the material.
I have very serious concerns-it would help some if I knew what work was
planned.
Douglas B. Walters, Ph.D., CSP, CCHO
Head, Laboratory Health and Safety
National Toxicology Program
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
PO Box 12233
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
919. 541.3355 (voice)
919. 541.3687 (FAX)
walters@niehs.nih.gov
> ----------
> From: Dave Finster
> Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 1:12 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Hood performance
>
> NACHO colleagues,
>
> A colleague wishes to work with nickeltetracarbonyl, a notoriously
> toxic
> gas, and we wish to take the appropriate precautions. We are
> concerned
> about the hood in which these experiments will be performed. I have
> measured the face velocity in several operating modes using a
> Vanemeter. (I cannot verify that this device is properly calibrated;
> I
> have no a priori reason to suspect it is, or isn't, giving reliable
> information.)
>
> When the sash is fully open, I have measured the face velocity at nine
> locations (3x3 matrix) and calculated a simple average of about 50
> cfm.
> The values are not consistent throughout: range about 20-90 cfm
> overall,
> range = +/- about 15 cfm at any single location. The variation is
> not
> a big surprise since there is equipment inside the hood which will
> surely render the velocities different at different locations.
>
> When the sash is about half-open, the face velocity averages about 120
> cfm at "quarter height."
>
> When the sash is about 1/3-open (2/3 closed), the face velocity
> averages
> about 155 cfm.
>
> I am considering having another motor installed in the system; we can
> "upgrade" somewhat without exceeding the motor size for this
> particular
> hood system (according to my local physical plant coordinator, who has
> a
> P.E. degree and generally knows his stuff). Upgrading would cost
> about
> $300 and some downtime, but I can outweigh these negatives by the
> safety
> argument, if needed. I assume that this would increase the face
> velocities, but I don't know by how much (or how linearly this might
> be
> related to motor horsepower, for example.)
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
> measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
> not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?)
>
> 2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open,
> the
> average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least)
> 60
> cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
> always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
> toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
> from an ergonomic perspective.
>
> Thanks in advance for replies. Like many readers, I was appointed as
> the CHO; my background is in academic chemistry, not IH.
>
> Dave
>
> --
> David C. Finster
> Professor and Chair University Chemical
> Hygiene
> Officer
> Department of Chemistry 937-327-6441
> Wittenberg University dfinster@wittenberg.edu
>
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From: "Sonja G. Ringen" <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
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At the University of Wyoming, we designed labels with a red arrow and
lines for inspection dates on a white background, and then had Lab
Safety Supply print them up. Rolls with 500 labels run around $50.
Since they're customized with our phone number to call in case of a fume
hood problem, they're worth it. We also had small labels printed with
short fume hood use guidelines to place on the sash--again, they have
our phone number for problems.
Lab Safety Supply did exactly what we wanted them to do and now that
they have the design, delivery is less than two weeks after we place an
order for replacements.
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3413
ringen@uwyo.edu
>----------
>From: Robert Murphy[SMTP:murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU]
>Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 7:09 AM
>To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
>Subject: Hood Face Velocity Mark-offs
>
>I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on fume
>hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or tape
>that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
>anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
>****************************************
>Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
>Environmental Health and Safety
>Bowling Green State Universtiy
>Phone : (419) 372-2171
>****************************************
>
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This will be of little help to you, but you may appreciate the "You are NOT
alone." We just a air quality study in our building and found only 2 of 8
fume hoods were really acting as hoods according to IH specs. This
summer the motors will be upgraded, and dampers put in to increase air
flow at the end hoods. Bet fume hood air velocity standards are
observed more by default than true design at most smaller schools (a;nd
probably some larger.
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From: Andrew Szilagyi <Andrew.Szilagyi@EM.DOE.GOV>
Subject: Re[2]: Hood performance
Dr. Walters took the words out of my mouth - You need more information and help
than simply hood performance. Why does your researcher HAVE to use Ni(CO)4
(NASTY STUFF!!!!). How about a less risky substitute.
andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
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Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
Date: 4/20/98 10:49 AM
Dave,
Please STOP! Get professional help!!
Ni(CO)4 is extremely toxic for a number of reasons besides it's LD50;
it's very volatile, colorless/ sometimes off yellow; very flammable/
can be explosive; and can plate out in the lungs.
There sees to be some confusion in your message about cfm and lfm.
Face velocity alone never should be used as a measure of the proper
functioning/performance and capture of a lab hood-esp. w. substances
such as Ni(CO)4.
What happens to the hood exhaust?
Is there any remote possibility for reintrainment?
Is the hood motor on the roof/
What are the ducts like?
Are other hoods connected? Etc., etc. for starters.
Ni(CO)4 is really bad stuff-get some professional help-read all you can
besides the MSDS about the material.
I have very serious concerns-it would help some if I knew what work was
planned.
Douglas B. Walters, Ph.D., CSP, CCHO
Head, Laboratory Health and Safety
National Toxicology Program
National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
PO Box 12233
Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
919. 541.3355 (voice)
919. 541.3687 (FAX)
walters@niehs.nih.gov
> ----------
> From: Dave Finster
> Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 1:12 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Hood performance
>
> NACHO colleagues,
>
> A colleague wishes to work with nickeltetracarbonyl, a notoriously
> toxic
> gas, and we wish to take the appropriate precautions. We are
> concerned
> about the hood in which these experiments will be performed. I have
> measured the face velocity in several operating modes using a
> Vanemeter. (I cannot verify that this device is properly calibrated;
> I
> have no a priori reason to suspect it is, or isn't, giving reliable
> information.)
>
> When the sash is fully open, I have measured the face velocity at nine
> locations (3x3 matrix) and calculated a simple average of about 50
> cfm.
> The values are not consistent throughout: range about 20-90 cfm
> overall,
> range = +/- about 15 cfm at any single location. The variation is
> not
> a big surprise since there is equipment inside the hood which will
> surely render the velocities different at different locations.
>
> When the sash is about half-open, the face velocity averages about 120
> cfm at "quarter height."
>
> When the sash is about 1/3-open (2/3 closed), the face velocity
> averages
> about 155 cfm.
>
> I am considering having another motor installed in the system; we can
> "upgrade" somewhat without exceeding the motor size for this
> particular
> hood system (according to my local physical plant coordinator, who has
> a
> P.E. degree and generally knows his stuff). Upgrading would cost
> about
> $300 and some downtime, but I can outweigh these negatives by the
> safety
> argument, if needed. I assume that this would increase the face
> velocities, but I don't know by how much (or how linearly this might
> be
> related to motor horsepower, for example.)
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
> measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
> not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?)
>
> 2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open,
> the
> average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least)
> 60
> cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
> always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
> toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
> from an ergonomic perspective.
>
> Thanks in advance for replies. Like many readers, I was appointed as
> the CHO; my background is in academic chemistry, not IH.
>
> Dave
>
> --
> David C. Finster
> Professor and Chair University Chemical
> Hygiene
> Officer
> Department of Chemistry 937-327-6441
> Wittenberg University dfinster@wittenberg.edu
>
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Greetings,
We have our labels printed at our print shop. Red
for don't use, green for go and they simply state they are within the
range of 80 - 120 and passed a smoke test for the green. The red say
not within the range or flunked the smoke test.
I just want to mention that past practices were to find the spot where
100 cfm could be attained by adjusting the sash and this turned out to
be a major problem. A 3"sash opening is not sufficient for normal use
and wide open offers no protection. Our current practice is to open
the sash 13 -14 inches (or the working height of your choice) and have
the AC shop adjust the flow to accommodate the opening.
I hope I'm not stating the obvious and if so I apologize. My two
cents.
Madelyn
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:09:21 -0500 Robert Murphy
<murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU> wrote:
> I am looking for a label or a tape that can be used to mark off on fume
> hoods where to put the shash to achieve 100 ft/min. I want a label or tape
> that can be easily removed every year when the hood is retested. Does
> anyone know of a vendor who sells such a product?
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
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Based on several requests...
=46ollowing are several useful medical references for chemical exposure. Fo=
r
earlier recipients of off-line replies, I've added info on how to order
copies of ATSDR's material.
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, 1995, Managing Hazardous
Materials Incidents:
Vol. I, Emergency Medical Systems: A Planning Guide for the
Mangement of Contaminated Patients, 78 p.
Vol. II, Hospital Emergency Departments: A Planning Guide for the
Mangement of Contaminated Patients, 76 p.
Vol. III, Medical Management Guidelines for Acute Chemical
Exposures, 385 p.
Vol. III is designed for a three-ring binder; it has detailed information
on 27 common hazardous chemicals (remember - somewhere between a third and
a half of all chemical injuries come from one of ten chemicals - most are
strong acids or bases, organic solvents, and a nice gas or two) and
guidelines for "unknown." Vols. I and II are nice training guides - ATSDR
did nice work on these. Best of all, they're FREE (OK, subsidized by our
taxes) and may be copied freely.
To order any or all of these, call ATSDR at (404) 639-6360. If you need
specific assistance, Scott Wright is quite helpful, and can help you set up
an exercise or two as well.
Bronstein, A.C., and Currance, P.L., 1994, Emergency Care for Hazardous
Material Exposure, 2nd Ed., Mosby, St. Louis, 635 p.
In my opinion, this is the best medical hazmat reference weighing < 20 lbs.
Designed like the Yellow DOT guide - by name and UN number, with detailed
information on 109 different guildelines (mostly chemical classes, some
individual chemicals, like HF). Basic info, target organs, early
treatment, basic and advanced life support treatment, in-hospital
treatment. A wealth of information, and it costs =BE $35 from Mosby.
Carder, T.A., 1993, Handling of Radiation Accidents by Paramedical and
Prehospital Personnel, 2nd Ed.: CRC, Boca Raton (FL), 212 p.
Useful for rad incidents, with plenty of information on field management
and medical consequences of rad exposure.
=46ederal Emergency Management Agency, National Fire Academy, 1995, Basic
Life Support and Hazardous Materials Response, 264 p.
Good training guide, especially for decon, roles/responsibilities, initital
care. Good tabletop exercises.
Lef=E8vre, M.J., 1980, First Aid Manual for Chemical Accidents: Van Nostrand
Reinhold, New York, 218 p.
A poor man's version of Bronstein and Currance. Not as much info, but
useful genreal protocols.
National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, 1994, Pocket Guide to
Chemical Hazards, 398 p.
Quigley, D.R., 1994, Handbook of Emergency Chemical Management: CRC, Boca
Raton (FL), 752 p.
Not strictly medical, but easy-to-use info that medical personnel need.
By the way, if anyone is planning to be around Austin on May 8, we'll be
hosting a free seminar by Dr. Miguel Trevi=F1o (aka, "Dr. HF), on medical
management of HF exposure. Dr. Trevi=F1o is Medical Director for Quimica
=46luor, on of the largest HF producers in the world, and consults
internationally. If you'd like more information, contact me off-line.
Q: Is it possible for acid manufacturers to stick to the basics?
JNR
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
government of Canada, with which he has no affiliation.
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See answers below:
> ----------
> My questions are:
>
> 1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
> measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
> not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?)
>
A vaneometer is usually designed to measure higher velocities, check the
range. The one we have is for something like 0 to 4000 fpm and is not
reliable for fume hood face velocity measurement in the 60-120 range.
The recommended device for fume hood face velocity measurement is a hot
wire anemometer. Have the manufacturer calibrate it according to their
recommended time schedule. See also the article in ACS Chemical H&S
Magazine on this subject for more information. Their web address was
posted recently.
> 2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open,
> the
> average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least)
> 60
> cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
> always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
> toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
> from an ergonomic perspective.
>
It is reasonable to require that the sash be pulled down during use of
the hood. Depending on the type of hood system, it can improve face
velocity and acts as a physical barrier between the user and the
operation in progress.
Dennis Edwards
Environmental Health and Safety Coordinator
Colgate University
SB-4 McGregory Hall
Hamilton, NY 13346
315-228-7994
http://offices.colgate.edu/chemmgt/
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:35:45 -0400
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At 10:12 AM 4/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>NACHO colleagues,
>
>A colleague wishes to work with nickeltetracarbonyl, a notoriously toxic
>gas, and we wish to take the appropriate precautions. We are concerned
>about the hood in which these experiments will be performed. I have
>measured the face velocity in several operating modes using a
>Vanemeter. (I cannot verify that this device is properly calibrated; I
>have no a priori reason to suspect it is, or isn't, giving reliable
>information.)
>
>When the sash is fully open, I have measured the face velocity at nine
>locations (3x3 matrix) and calculated a simple average of about 50 cfm.
>The values are not consistent throughout: range about 20-90 cfm overall,
>range = +/- about 15 cfm at any single location. The variation is not
>a big surprise since there is equipment inside the hood which will
>surely render the velocities different at different locations.
>
>When the sash is about half-open, the face velocity averages about 120
>cfm at "quarter height."
>
>When the sash is about 1/3-open (2/3 closed), the face velocity averages
>about 155 cfm.
>
>I am considering having another motor installed in the system; we can
>"upgrade" somewhat without exceeding the motor size for this particular
>hood system (according to my local physical plant coordinator, who has a
>P.E. degree and generally knows his stuff). Upgrading would cost about
>$300 and some downtime, but I can outweigh these negatives by the safety
>argument, if needed. I assume that this would increase the face
>velocities, but I don't know by how much (or how linearly this might be
>related to motor horsepower, for example.)
>
>My questions are:
>
>1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
>measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
>not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?)
>
>2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open, the
>average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least) 60
>cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
>always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
>toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
>from an ergonomic perspective.
>
>Thanks in advance for replies. Like many readers, I was appointed as
>the CHO; my background is in academic chemistry, not IH.
>
>Dave
>
>--
>David C. Finster
>Professor and Chair University Chemical Hygiene
>Officer
>Department of Chemistry 937-327-6441
>Wittenberg University dfinster@wittenberg.edu
>
First off, is there an IH on campus? Probably not, since you turned to the
list. Also, the best advice could be given if you tell the list, not me,
what type of hood you have.
Second, good velometers are not cheap. Mine cost $1000 over 10 years ago.
The little vanemeters are quick back up and do need checking. Next, units
for face velocity are linear ft/min. Cubic ft/min are what goes up to the
roof. So linear ft/min x area of face = ft3/min.
Your point #2 is reasonable.
Mary Ann
Mary Ann Solstad, CIH 4 A's of Safety
SOLSTAD Health & Safety Evaluations Attitude
16 Pequot Rd, Marblehead, MA 01945 Awareness
781-631-4748 tel, 781-631-1832 FAX Automatic Application
msolstad@tiac.net Authority
DivCHAS Chair, ACS
or
msolstad@mediaone.net
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The most commonly used bar code in industry is the CAS#. I don't know your
experience with
chemical storage; therefore I will give you some free advice. Don't store
the chemicals alphabetically. There are several good reference for safe
chemical storage.
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Another option to consider is use of a glove bag or glove box so that not
only is the material contained, but the process may be carried out in an
inert atmosphere.
Mike Hinz
Chemistry Dept.
Washington State University
At 03:06 PM 4/20/98 +0000, you wrote:
>Dr. Walters took the words out of my mouth - You need more information and help
>than simply hood performance. Why does your researcher HAVE to use Ni(CO)4
>(NASTY STUFF!!!!). How about a less risky substitute.
>
>andrew.szilagyi@em.doe.gov
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Hood performance
>Author: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU at INTERNET
>Date: 4/20/98 10:49 AM
>
>
>Dave,
>Please STOP! Get professional help!!
>Ni(CO)4 is extremely toxic for a number of reasons besides it's LD50;
>it's very volatile, colorless/ sometimes off yellow; very flammable/
>can be explosive; and can plate out in the lungs.
>There sees to be some confusion in your message about cfm and lfm.
>Face velocity alone never should be used as a measure of the proper
>functioning/performance and capture of a lab hood-esp. w. substances
>such as Ni(CO)4.
>What happens to the hood exhaust?
>Is there any remote possibility for reintrainment?
>Is the hood motor on the roof/
>What are the ducts like?
>Are other hoods connected? Etc., etc. for starters.
>Ni(CO)4 is really bad stuff-get some professional help-read all you can
>besides the MSDS about the material.
>I have very serious concerns-it would help some if I knew what work was
>planned.
>
>Douglas B. Walters, Ph.D., CSP, CCHO
>Head, Laboratory Health and Safety
>National Toxicology Program
>National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
>PO Box 12233
>Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
>919. 541.3355 (voice)
>919. 541.3687 (FAX)
>walters@niehs.nih.gov
>> ----------
>> From: Dave Finster
>> Reply To: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 1:12 PM
>> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
>> Subject: Hood performance
>>
>> NACHO colleagues,
>>
>> A colleague wishes to work with nickeltetracarbonyl, a notoriously
>> toxic
>> gas, and we wish to take the appropriate precautions. We are
>> concerned
>> about the hood in which these experiments will be performed. I have
>> measured the face velocity in several operating modes using a
>> Vanemeter. (I cannot verify that this device is properly calibrated;
>> I
>> have no a priori reason to suspect it is, or isn't, giving reliable
>> information.)
>>
>> When the sash is fully open, I have measured the face velocity at nine
>> locations (3x3 matrix) and calculated a simple average of about 50
>> cfm.
>> The values are not consistent throughout: range about 20-90 cfm
>> overall,
>> range = +/- about 15 cfm at any single location. The variation is
>> not
>> a big surprise since there is equipment inside the hood which will
>> surely render the velocities different at different locations.
>>
>> When the sash is about half-open, the face velocity averages about 120
>> cfm at "quarter height."
>>
>> When the sash is about 1/3-open (2/3 closed), the face velocity
>> averages
>> about 155 cfm.
>>
>> I am considering having another motor installed in the system; we can
>> "upgrade" somewhat without exceeding the motor size for this
>> particular
>> hood system (according to my local physical plant coordinator, who has
>> a
>> P.E. degree and generally knows his stuff). Upgrading would cost
>> about
>> $300 and some downtime, but I can outweigh these negatives by the
>> safety
>> argument, if needed. I assume that this would increase the face
>> velocities, but I don't know by how much (or how linearly this might
>> be
>> related to motor horsepower, for example.)
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> 1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
>> measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
>> not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?)
>>
>> 2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open,
>> the
>> average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least)
>> 60
>> cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
>> always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
>> toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
>> from an ergonomic perspective.
>>
>> Thanks in advance for replies. Like many readers, I was appointed as
>> the CHO; my background is in academic chemistry, not IH.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> David C. Finster
>> Professor and Chair University Chemical
>> Hygiene
>> Officer
>> Department of Chemistry 937-327-6441
>> Wittenberg University dfinster@wittenberg.edu
>>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:18:16 -0700
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Tammy-
I am having the same problem. If you don't mind,
please forward any responses that you receive.
Thank you,
Kendell
kesilvei@cabrillo.cc.ca.us
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:32:11 PST8PDT
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Subject: (Fwd) MSDS
Good morning:
For those of you still shaky from the weekend and have not yet
ingested enough of the stuff, here is an MSDS to tickle your funny
bone. With thanks to Suz Bell who wrote the thing. Check out her
website (see link at bottom) - it's a good'un.
Cheers,
Deb. (on her way to get a cup of the evil brew <g>)
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Subject: The HSE Group - Just for Fun!
> [Image]
>
> Material Safety Data Sheet - Coffeec
>
> Date of Preparation: September 1, 1996
> MSDS No. 001
>
> Section 1 - Chemical Product and Company Identification
> Product/Chemical Name: COFFEE
> Chemical Formula: C8-H10-N4-O2
> CAS Number: 58-08-2
> Other Designations: Cafe Ole, Koffee, Klutch-time Drink
> General Use: Wake-up drink, Stay awake, Working Late,
> Pre-exam Students, Sobering Up Drink, Excuse to Talk and
> Have Meetings, Soil Mixture
> Manufacturer: Primarily: Juan Valdez, The Mountains,
> Colombia Phone: Don't need, He will be around when you need
> him. Look for him in grocery store aisles. Hours of
> operation: All day picking beans with his burro. Emergency
> phone number: Look on the label of the most popular brands
> and bother them, Juan's busy making commercials.
>
> Emergency Overview
>
> Section 2 - Composition / Information on Ingredients
> Ingredient Name CAS # % wt. or % vol.
> First Ingredient: Depends on what it is mixed
> Caffeine 58-08-2 with
> Other Ingredients: If you're Irish, Coffee 1%,
> Milk, Water, Whiskey, Whiskey 99%
> Cream, Saccharin, Various If you're French, Mexican, or
> Aspartamine, or Sugar Cajun, Coffee 50%/Milk 50%
>
> Trace Impurities: Depends on where it is purchased.
> Definitely check can or burlap bag if it is imported from
> Colombia
>
> OSHA PEL ACGIH TLV NIOSH REL NIOSH
> Ingredient
> First Ingredient No established limits
>
> Second IngredientRemember what Mother Nature says: Everything
> in moderation
>
> Toxicity Data: 192 mg/kg oral-human LDLo; 14700 ug/kg
> oral-infant (Aghast! In a baby bottle? Whose child was used
> as a test, and what balloon are they in now?) 320 mg/kg
> oral-childLDLo (More Ritalin needed for these kids); TDLo;
> 13 mg/kg oral-man TDLo; 96 mg/kg/1 day intermittent
> oral-woman TDLo; 1 gm/kg oral-woman LDLo; 192 mg/kg oral-rat
> LD50127 mg/kg oral-mouse LD50; 224 mg/kg oral-rabbit LD50;
> 100 mg/kg oral-cat LDLo; 140 mg/kg oral-dog LD50; 230
> oral-guinea pig LD50; 230 mg/kg oral-hamster LD50; (No
> Wonder So Many Cities Are Animal Infested and Others There's
> No Trace Of `Em)
> Carcinogen Status: Human Inadequate Evidence, Animal
> Inadequate Evidence (IARC Group-3).
> Acute Toxicity Level: Toxic by ingestion. (So we drink it
> every morning, afternoon and night?)
> Target Effects: Poisoning may affect the central nervous
> system and heart. At Increased Risk From Exposure: Persons
> with glaucoma, duodenal ulcers, liver, cardiovascular, renal
> or psychological disorders.
> Additional Data: May cross the placenta. May be excreted in
> breast milk. Alcohol may enhance the toxic effects. (Why do
> we use coffee to counteract the effects?) Interactions with
> medications have been reported.
>
> Section 3 - Physical and Chemical Properties
> Physical State: Beans, grinds
> Appearance and Odor: Light Brown to Black
> Odor Threshold: When the whole office or neighborhood thinks
> of Eggs and Bacon
> Vapor Pressure: 760 mm Hg at 178 C)
> Vapor Density (Air=1): 6.7
> Specific Gravity (H2O=1, at 4 C): 1.2
> Evaporation Rate: Overnight, if you leave it on your desk.
> Water Solubility: 2.17%
> Solvent Solubility: Soluble in chloroform, pyrimidine,
> petroleum ether, benzene, alcohol, acetone, pyrrole,
> tetrahydrofuran.
> Boiling Point: 352 F (178C)
> Freezing/Melting Point: 460 F (238 C)%
> Volatile: 0.5%, but depends on psychological state of
> consumer.
>
> Section 4 - Fire-Fighting Measures
> Autoignition Temperature: 1697F (925 C)
> Flammability Classification: On the contrary, can be used to
> extinguish offensive cigars and, if aimed correctly, in the
> lap of rude and ardent suitors.
> Extinguishing Media: Ask chef to put bananas on top and make
> Bananas Foster.
> Unusual Fire or Explosion Hazards: Usually only in After
> Dinner Drinks.
> Hazardous Combustion Products: Bourbon and Whiskey, maybe
> Irish Cream Fire-Fighting Instructions: Rule out the use of
> tabasco in coffee in southern regions. Rule out the use of
> alcohol in all geographical territories. Remove container
> from area, if possible, without risk. See Extinguishing
> medium above.
> Fire-Fighting Equipment: Use Date's water glass.
>
> Section 5 - Stability and Reactivity
> Stability: Stable under normal conditions, watch out in
> aircraft, fast cars, bars, restaurants and mental hospitals.
> Polymerization: Hazardous polymerization has been reported
> in the late sixties and seventies with those wearing
> synthetic polyester suits.
> Chemical Incompatibilities: Acids, Chlorine, Oxidyzers.
> Suggest you don't ingest these by themselves, either.
> Conditions to Avoid: Fast Food Restaurants, unless you have
> a litigious personality.
> Hazardous Decomposition Products: Thermal oxidative
> decomposition of product can produce toxic oxides of carbon
> and nitrogen, but okay with garden plants.
>
> Section 6 - Health Hazard Information
>
> Potential Health Effects
>
> Primary Entry Routes: Mouth, however, policemen in donut
> houses may ingest through nose.
> Acute Effects
> Inhalation: Great way to wake up in the morning, or anytime
> for that matter.
> Eye: Caffetieres look good in the kitchen Wash eyes for 15
> minutes if you get it in your eyes instead of your mouth.
> Skin: Could stain skin a dark color. Use if you are out of
> suntan lotion.
> Ingestion: Can be toxic if that is all you drink. Remember
> mother nature. No deaths were reported in rats exposed to 55
> ppm for 4 hours.
> Carcinogenicity: IARC, NTP, and OSHA do not list coffee as a
> carcinogen.
> Chronic Effects and Medical Conditions Aggravated by
> Long-Term Exposure: Disturbed sleep, psychosis, heartburn,
> hyperventilation. Respiratory failure and cardiopulmonary
> arrest may occur. Prolonged use can result in dependence.
> Withdrawal symptoms can occur following abrupt cessation,
> such as bad mood bosses and complaining employees.
>
> Emergency and First Aid Procedures
>
> Inhalation: Get fresh air, have your coffee under a tree.
> Eye Contact: Buy boring American coffee machines instead of
> having the fancy cappuccino contraptions.
> Skin Contact: Take a bath, whether you need it or not, but
> not after an incident at a fast food restaurant; you may
> need it as evidence.
> Ingestion: Dilute with whiskey.
> Note to Physicians: You ought to have more coffee in your
> waiting rooms.
> Special Precautions/Procedures: If you find white packets in
> your coffee cans, notify the police.
>
> Section 7 - Spill, Leak, and Disposal Procedures
> Spill /Leak Procedures: If you are in a fast food
> restaurant, call Joe Lawyer at (713) 555-1212.
> Small Spills: Brawney towels
> Large Spills: Bring in the dog to lick it up.
> Containment: For large spills, dike far ahead of liquid
> spill for later disposal. Let the kids play in it while you
> are waiting for rescue. Do not release into sewers or
> waterways.
> Container Cleaning and Disposal: Collect cans and use them
> to collect poker chips and pennies, or get grandma to make a
> nice little cotton ball holder for the wife or a crayon case
> for the kids.
> Ecological Information: Grinds are good for gardens.
>
> EPA Regulations:
> RCRA Hazardous Waste Number: Not listed (40 CFR 261.33)
> RCRA Hazardous Waste Classification (40 CFR 261) Not
> classified
> CERCLA Hazardous Substance (40 CFR 302.4) listed/unlisted
> specific per RCRA, Sec. 3001; CWA, Sec. 311 (b)(4); CWA,
> Sec. 307(a), CAA, Sec. 112 - None
> CERCLA Reportable Quantity (RQ) None SARA 311/312 Codes:
> SARA Toxic Chemical (40 CFR 372.65): Not listed
> SARA EHS (Extremely Hazardous Substance) (40 CFR 355): Not
> listed, Threshold Planning Quantity (TPQ) None.
>
> OSHA Regulations:
> Air Contaminant (29 CFR 1910.1000, Table Z-1, Z-1-A): Not
> listed OSHA Specifically Regulated Substance (29CFR 1910.)
> State Regulations: None, except anything weaker than
> Community Coffee is generally and publically unacceptable in
> Louisiana, unless of course, you come with your own can of
> Chock Full of Nuts; then we'll negotiate and as long as you
> don't tell Boudreaux.
>
> Section 8 - Exposure Controls / Personal Protection
> Engineering Controls: Make iced coffee or ask your secretary
> to get it.
> Ventilation: Keep all windows shut when brewing, otherwise
> you'll ruin the effect with the eggs and bacon.
> Administrative Controls: Do not allow purchase of the
> decaffeinated version if you want it to wake up.
> Respiratory Protection: ditto on ventilation
> Protective Clothing/Equipment: Make sure you put a coffee
> filter in the machine, unless you have digestive problems,
> then if so, leave it out.
> Safety Stations: Put a paper towel under your cup so you
> don't leave a ring on the counter or your table. If you want
> to impress you boss or a client, disregard this so they will
> think you stayed up late and being sloppy is okay; at least
> you did the job.
> Contaminated Equipment: Keep if you were on an airline or at
> a fast food restaurant_might need evidence.
>
> Section 9 - Special Precautions and Comments
> Handling Precautions: Buy a bigger scoop at the grocery
> store. The ones that come in the containers are never big
> enough.
> Storage Requirements: Buy bigger discount cans at discount
> stores and fill up smaller cans as needed. Don't pay a prank
> on the pipe smoking uncle by storing in his pouch. He might
> fly around when you're visiting.
>
> DOT Transportation Data (49 CFR 172.101):
>
> Packaging Authorizations Bulk Packaging: Best not to pack it
> with shipments by yacht or small water craft from Colombia.
>
> Quantity Limitations
> a) Passenger, Aircraft, or Railcar: Must have supplies
> enough for 5 times the flight or trip, otherwise the pilot
> or engineer could turn back without a moments notice.
>
> Vessel Stowage Requirements
> a) Vessel Stowage: Make sure it is in plain view, so the
> above doesn't occur.
>
> Prepared By: Suzanne Bell, The HSE Group, Inc. and Coffee
> Aficionado, 1996
> Revision Notes: Comments and donations welcome at
> suzbell@ix.netcom.com
>
> COPYRIGHT, 1996 This MSDS is available for free distribution
> but not for sale and may not be copied, duplicated,
> reproduced, electronically transmitted or otherwise used in
> any form for profit without prior express approval by the
> author.
>
> Disclaimer: The author's views are her own and do not
> represent that of her employer. The information provided is
> believed to be totally inaccurate and represents no warranty
> to the user and consumer of the product. This lack of a
> warranty ensures that the user of the information intends to
> use the information contained herein as a humorous example
> to an otherwise repetitive, sometimes boring topic in
> training, discourse or other use heretofore not discovered.
> Any persons who actually use coffee or caffeine are
> expressly requested to secure the proper Material Safety
> Data Sheet to refer to in serious situations.
>
> Back to The HSE Group
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Copyright 1996
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I have heard and read several people advising about not storing chemicals
alphabetically. I know the reason is mainly due to incompatibilities
between chemicals.
What I have not heard are good solutions to storing chemicals safely AND
making them easy to locate.
Our stockroom supports the teaching and research labs for the Chemistry
Dept. The stockroom is open to faculty. We also have students that work
here during the day, many of which are NOT chemistry majors. In order for
them to help faculty, undergrad and graduate students, the chemicals must
be easy to find.
What method of storing chemicals is used in other areas where a non-chemist
could walk in a find what they need?
How much segregation is necessary between non-compatible chemicals?
All our shelves are open (no doors), except for flammable cabinets. Is
keeping incompatibles off the same shelf sufficient segregation or would I
need to move them to a different area?
Suggestions are needed to make the chemical storage safe, but also
convenient for 'employees' and 'customers'.
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:26:01 -0700
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Dewey, et al,
What I've done is separate the chemicals into major categories first
(acids, bases, oxidizers, reducers, "stable," etc.), then store them
alphabetically within those categories. We keep most of our
non-flammables and non-carcinogens on open shelves that have plastic
lips on the front to keep the bottles from falling off. We also use
secondary containment, such as plastic bins or acid buckets, to keep
incompatibles apart within the major categories. Examples are
protecting glacial acetic from nitric acid or reducing carcinogens from
oxidizing carcinogens. Then, just keep an alphabetical listing by
chemical name, telling those who are unfamiliar which category each
chemical is in. It takes a little work to set up and will undeniably be
resisted by those who are used to storing nearly everything by
alpahabet. After that, it gets pretty easy.
Jim Compton
Plutonium Process Support Laboratories
B&W Hanford Company
Richland, WA
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dewey Williams [SMTP:williams@EMAIL.UNCC.EDU]
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 1998 9:52 AM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject:
>
> I have heard and read several people advising about not storing
> chemicals
> alphabetically. I know the reason is mainly due to incompatibilities
> between chemicals.
>
> What I have not heard are good solutions to storing chemicals safely
> AND
> making them easy to locate.
>
> Our stockroom supports the teaching and research labs for the
> Chemistry
> Dept. The stockroom is open to faculty. We also have students that
> work
> here during the day, many of which are NOT chemistry majors. In order
> for
> them to help faculty, undergrad and graduate students, the chemicals
> must
> be easy to find.
>
> What method of storing chemicals is used in other areas where a
> non-chemist
> could walk in a find what they need?
> How much segregation is necessary between non-compatible chemicals?
> All our shelves are open (no doors), except for flammable cabinets.
> Is
> keeping incompatibles off the same shelf sufficient segregation or
> would I
> need to move them to a different area?
>
> Suggestions are needed to make the chemical storage safe, but also
> convenient for 'employees' and 'customers'.
>
>
> Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
> mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
> UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
> "These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:39:29 -0600
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Dewey:
Once we've separated the chemicals according to their compatibility
groups, we then store them alphabetically. I've also put the chemical
inventory into an Access database on our server that allows everyone to
pull up what chemicals are stored where. We have the luxury of plenty
of storage space and so I've put each group of chemicals in their
separate cabinets (i.e., general, oxidizer, corrosive, etc.). Since we
have a fault line only a half mile from the lab, we're concerned about
the effects of an earthquake on our chemical storage. That's the main
reason we've gone to separate storage cabinets. I've also got a form
on-line where people are able to send me the information on chemicals
they use up or transfer from storage to the laboratory areas. It's
working very well for us.
Hope this helps!
Terrie
All opinions are my own, etc.
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Greetings,
Try using your chemical catalogue, Fisher or J. T. Baker. They will
have recommendations for chemical storage that is color coded. Like
red for flammable, yellow for oxidizer. We actually went to colored
dots on each chemical to help students with the return. Shelves
also had dots or were colored so all they had to do was match
the colors. All chemicals have to be physically separated (except for
flammables that need their own cabinet). This can be accomplished with
chemically resistant trays or bins. Hope this helps.
Madelyn
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Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:02:18 -0500
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In your questions on stock rooms you wrote that faculty and students have access. Bad
idea! The chemical stock room should be one of the tightest security areas you have. Only
employees with sufficient training should be using the stock room. These folks would be
trained in your storage system and therefore be able to locate chemicals easily.
We use the Flynn storage system in our stock areas. It is outlined in their catalog and
you can get stickers for shelf and container labeling. I do not have a phD in chemistry
but I can use the system without too much difficulty.
If you have an inventory system, you can note the shelf number the chemical is stored on
and this makes it real easy to locate stuff and reshelve it.
Remember, the idea with storage is that in case of an accident, whether it be a spill, an
earth quake, or fire, the chemical will not come in contact with each other and add to the
disaster. Having incompatibles stored on open shelves over each other is not really
segregating them in my mind.
*******
What method of storing chemicals is used in other areas where a non-chemist
could walk in a find what they need?
How much segregation is necessary between non-compatible chemicals?
All our shelves are open (no doors), except for flammable cabinets. Is
keeping incompatibles off the same shelf sufficient segregation or would I
need to move them to a different area?
Suggestions are needed to make the chemical storage safe, but also
convenient for 'employees' and 'customers'.***Anyone given access to a chemical stock
room, needs to have proper training. Clear guidelines and policies should be in place to
assure that the chemicals are being utilized properly. If they can not easily find
chemical based on physical properties, how do you know they are working with the stuff in
a safe way?
****
I, personally, went through a stock room clean out and reorganization. We used the Flynn
system. I set up a data base for the inventory and made sure to list the Flynn code as
well as the shelf number for each chemical container. We have limited access and the
system seems to work very well for us. I would be happy to discuss the subject in greater
detail with you. Contact me at my e-mail or phone number below.
For what its worth, Janeen Lapierre, CHO.
Opinions are mine, etc.....
JLaPierre@mailboxune.edu
207-283-0170 ext 2446.
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At 12:52 PM 4/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
(snip)
>Suggestions are needed to make the chemical storage safe, but also
>convenient for 'employees' and 'customers'.
>
Have you tired Pipitone's book, "Safe Storage of Laboratory Chemicals?" It
isn't too bad.
Convenience is in the eye of the beholder....or something like that.
Good luck!
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
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"You won't find this on 'Beakman's World.'"
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We use the JTBaker system--Just remember to stick with one
system...because sometimes different vendors will categorize differently
and one ends up stuff in two spots, etc. I use Avery colored dots or
colored index strips and the tape over the label. Also, I don't know haw
others feel, but I request instructors NOT reshelve chemicals, since I
have two who don't know their alphabet and if it's lost, it's lost 'til the
next inventory. I use Paradox for the inventory database, and keep a
copy of storage codes in the stockroom, one on my desk, and give
(partial) copies to any instructors who request them.
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I disagree with Jeff Rubin's assessment about providing an MSDS to
the treating hospital's emergency room staff, especially when Madelyn
Miller provided such an EXCELLENT example for sending one - an HF burn!
Even suspected exposure to this insidious hazmat requires medical
attention as, depending on the concentration of HF involved, significant
delays may occur between exposure and onset of symptoms and , the victim
may experience marked pain in the absence of a significant surface dermal
injury.
The purpose for providing an MSDS to the attending is to insure
that the emergency staff knows _exactly_ what caused the injury and to
provide proper course of treatment (calcium gluconate, in the case of HF)
based on that specific hazardous material - and not some generic
treatment.
The two times (in 10 years) that I have had to send individuals to the
local hospital for chemical burns, I also sent the MSDS with the EMTs. In
both cases, the MSDSs were greatly appreciated by both the EMT team and
the attending emergency physician.
On another note, I also agree with Madelyn's conclusions about MSDSs.
JT Baker is about the best in content _and_ layout. Sigma/Aldrich/Fluka,
well, I can't be so kind there. We keep them only because the law says we
have to; Fisher Scientific's brand of specialty chemicals, ACROS, has far
superior MSDSs!
work safely!
Linda
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On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:57:06 -0500, Jeff Rubin wrote:
I hope I'm not stating the obvious here, but if hospitals are relying on
MSDS for significant treatment information, I feel sorry for the patients
and the practitioners. MSDSs serve a purpose, but providing useful
medical information for effective treatment isn't one of them (as yet;
physical/toxicological info can help with decon and provide some
applicable data, but there's little of immediate use).
[Snip]
and...
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On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:41:10 -0400, Madelyn Miller
I believe for single chemical MSDS one should find the best one! What
do I mean. Well, if I spilled HF on myself that MSDS will accompany me
to the hospital. J. T. Bake, now bought by Mallincrodt, has the best
MSDS because it has detailed medical information about treatment for a
physician than any I've seen. They also will give glove recommendations
instead of the useless phrase "chemically resistant gloves".
We have Aldrich only because it has the most MSD sheets and will
satisfy the regulators. Ugh. J. T. Baker's has limited numbers of
MSDS about 300 but the ones they have are the most complete and useful
that I've seen.
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We believe we must have an MSDS from each supplier to conform to Haz Com. And I
know a lab is not subject to Haz Com, but we choose to follow it so that we have
one system for the whole company so we can send samples out and transfer
processes to the plant.
We have several file cabinets full of MSDSs.
Bob
Labsafe wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-16 19:18:18 EDT, you write:
>
> << Subj: Re: MSDSs
> Date: 98-04-16 19:18:18 EDT
> From: j-pingel@UIUC.EDU (John E. Pingel)
> Sender: NAOSMM@LISTSERV.RICE.EDU (National Association of Scientific
> Materials Managers
>
> All the comments thus far have addressed regulatory requirements. It is
> important to remember that regulations should never be our only motivation
> for decisions, employee or student safety and campus liability may call for
> greater standards. Two more possible considerations about MSDSs that you
> may want to check out include:
>
> 1. Some campuses save the correct manufacturer's specific MSDS for a
> chemical because some hospitals that take patients that were injured by a
> given chemical won't treat the patient without the exact matching MSDS.
>
> 2. Some campuses save all their old specific MSDSs while some save MSDSs
> of chemicals that were involved with specific incidents in the event of
> some later legal action against the campus.
>
> John >>
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Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
Ruetgers-Nease Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
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I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions on the inventory and
storage systems. However, I'm still puzzling over my original question:
Which Bar Code Type should be used? As in code 128, code 3 of 9 (a favorite
of Star Trek fans), EAN - 8, Codabar, etc. I have already picked my program
and hardware. Unfortunately (and I NEVER thought I'd be saying this) they
have more flexibility than I really need! I have several methods for
printing my own bar codes, I just don't know which one is the best to use.
Can anyone tell me which one(s) they use now?
Thanx,
Tammy Tayman
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:25:32 -0400
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At Colgate we use 39 or 3 of 9 as you list below. The most important
thing you want to be able to do is to go around with some kind of a
handheld bar-code reader so that you can quickly and easily update your
inventory. So your reader, software, bar-codes, and other hardware all
need to be compatible.
Dennis Edwards
Environmental Health and Safety Coordinator
Colgate University
SB-4 McGregory Hall
Hamilton, NY 13346
315-228-7994
http://offices.colgate.edu/chemmgt/
> ----------
> From: Tayman, Tammy[SMTP:ttayman@MC.CC.MD.US]
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> Subject: Chemical Inventories
>
> I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions on the inventory
> and
> storage systems. However, I'm still puzzling over my original
> question:
> Which Bar Code Type should be used? As in code 128, code 3 of 9 (a
> favorite
> of Star Trek fans), EAN - 8, Codabar, etc. I have already picked my
> program
> and hardware. Unfortunately (and I NEVER thought I'd be saying this)
> they
> have more flexibility than I really need! I have several methods for
> printing my own bar codes, I just don't know which one is the best to
> use.
> Can anyone tell me which one(s) they use now?
>
> Thanx,
>
> Tammy Tayman
>
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I didn't get my two cents in on this. Ask your suppliers which bar code
reader works better on the things they are selling you. You may can use
the same bar codes they do.
Dr. Henry Boyter, Jr. Ph.D. Chemist
The opinions of Dr. Boyter are provided for informational purposes only and
should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism
is implied.
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Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 3:02 PM
I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions on the inventory and
storage systems. However, I'm still puzzling over my original question:
Which Bar Code Type should be used? As in code 128, code 3 of 9 (a
favorite
of Star Trek fans), EAN - 8, Codabar, etc. I have already picked my
program
and hardware. Unfortunately (and I NEVER thought I'd be saying this) they
have more flexibility than I really need! I have several methods for
printing my own bar codes, I just don't know which one is the best to use.
Can anyone tell me which one(s) they use now?
Thanx,
Tammy Tayman
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:59:18 -0400
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Greetings Tammy,
Don't print your own codes. You can buy them preprinted. We bought 10=20
digit codes and the tape was 1" long. Microbiz Business magazine is a=20
good jumping off point. Talk to your computer gurus there. We ordered=20
rolls of 1,000 for ~ $20. You'll have to talk to your vendor of the=20
program to see which code you need and how many digits etc. Do print=20
yourself out a pallet for encoding things you might do repetitively,=20
like Manufacture=92s, ie Fisher Alrich etc.
P. S. We used small zip lock baggies for freezer items because the=20
labels won't stick on cold glass. Hope this helps.
Madelyn
> I would like to thank everyone for their suggestions on the inventory and
> storage systems. However, I'm still puzzling over my original question:
> Which Bar Code Type should be used? As in code 128, code 3 of 9 (a favor=
ite
> of Star Trek fans), EAN - 8, Codabar, etc. I have already picked my prog=
ram
> and hardware. Unfortunately (and I NEVER thought I'd be saying this) the=
y
> have more flexibility than I really need! I have several methods for
> printing my own bar codes, I just don't know which one is the best to use=
.
> Can anyone tell me which one(s) they use now?
>=20
> Thanx,
>=20
> Tammy Tayman
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Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:04:15 -0500
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I'm not saying people shouldn't provide MSDSs, I'm just pointing out that
they rarely provide definitive information on treatment and are a very
unsatisfactory SOLE source of information, especially wrt medical
management; I emphatically stand by this, based on my experience as an EMS
provider, firefighter, hazmat responder, and trainer of medical personnel
who are to provide treatment for chemical exposure.
If medical personnel (including EMS) need to know exactly what they are
dealing with, an MSDS is very useful. On the other hand, the MSDS for 1%
HCl may provide identical information as that for concentrated HCl. I've
lost track of the number of chemical exposures we've run on, but we've had
six HF incidents in the past year (lots of it in Austin; many semiconductor
fabs). One of the recent HF calls we had involved an MSDS that described
"HF, < 60%". In fact, the substance ended up being 7% HF - mag-wheel
cleaner (fortunately for the patient and the now-more-careful cop who were
contaminated). That's a big difference in patient management; if we hadn't
found out the actual HF concentration, we probably would have started Ca
gluconate treatment at the scene, possibly continued intravenously at the
hospital, all of which would have been not only unnecessary, but dangerous
(most hypertonic Ca solutions, including Ca gluconate, are
tissue-destructive).
Part of my former job was obtaining useful medical references: I acquired
copies of the Bronstein & Currance book, ATSDR's loose-leaf binder, and the
NIOSH Pocket Guide for each hazmat ambulance and fire dept. hazmat truck,
as well as one for our telecommuniactions (911) center. Hospitals bought
their own references. If HF is a problem in your area, you owe it to
yourself and the people with whom you work to ensure the hospitals know how
to handle the stuff. Austin EMS carries Ca gluconate for other uses, so we
developed protocols for its use in HF burns as well - treatment may be
initiated after decon but BEFORE the patient arrives at the hospital.
CaCl2 and even powdered CaCO3 works too - just mix it with Surgi-Lube or
KY, slop it into a glove, and put the glove over the hand (which is by far
the most commonly affected area in HF exposures). Commercial Ca gluconate
gel is nice, too - if your facility uses a lot of HF, you should have an
"HF kit" handy. Either way, make sure your medical providers are ready.
Sorry for the long-winded reply.
JNR
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
government of Canada, with which he has no affiliation.
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I highly recommend using the FLINN system from Flinn Scientific
(800)452-
1261. The catalog has small labels to put on each chemical bottle and
larger shelf labels that correspond to the FLINN categories. Both
labels can be purchased by individual category or a whole set for an
entire storeroom. Chemicals are stored alphabetically within category
and since the labels are color-coordinated, it is very easy for anyone
to restock the chemicals.
The company will even inform you of correct categories for chemicals
that aren't in their catalog. Great people.
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In a message dated 98-04-20 10:27:17 EDT, David Finster writes:
<< 1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?) >>
JAK: In addition to the Vaneomenter, I also have a $300 Alnor Velometer
Jr.. I've run the two against each other and the results have always been
very similar.
<< 2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open, the
average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least) 60
cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
from an ergonomic perspective. >>
JAK: I believe we are talking about the air velocity in linear feet per minute
(lfpm) and not the volume of air in cubic feet per minute (cfm or cfpm).
I would find it reasonable to decide what air velocity is needed for
conducting the particular experiments and then mark the sash position
which wll provide that velocity.
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JAK: Of all the concerns I have about chemical storage, arrangement
is the last. Ahead of it are... security/access, space, ventilation, fire
protection, and shelving security.
The likelihood of two incompatible materials breaking an reacting
are small compared to some one stealing something and getting in
trouble or one bottle being knocked off the shelf because it's too
crowded.
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In a message dated 98-04-20 13:19:19 EDT, you write:
<< Hello everyone:
While we are on the subject of safety...... Has anyone ever participated in
a mercury thermometer exchange program? Our safety department would like to
eliminate as many mercury thermometers as possible from campus and has asked
us to find a vendor who would do this. We would purchase several
hundreds/thousands of thermometers and the vendor would agree to take-out
intact mercury filled thermometers.
Any help is appreciated!
Ed Glumac, Manager, Research Stores, University of Houston
eglumac@uh.edu >>
JAK: I thought this message on the NAOSMM list might be of interest
to NACHO members.
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IN my experience, marking a level on hood is kidding yourself. there is no way,
absent hood police, that lab people will keep the sash down to that level.
We maintain our hoods to give at least a face velocity of 80 with the sash open.
Bob
Labsafe wrote:
> In a message dated 98-04-20 10:27:17 EDT, David Finster writes:
>
> << 1. Does anyone want to render an opinion on the reliability of my
> measurements using the Vaneometer? (Any suggestions for alternate,
> not-too-expensive, devices? Ways to calibrate?) >>
>
> JAK: In addition to the Vaneomenter, I also have a $300 Alnor Velometer
> Jr.. I've run the two against each other and the results have always been
> very similar.
>
> << 2. I am concerned about the face velocity values with the sash open, the
> average being less than the commonly-stated lower limit of (at least) 60
> cfm. I wonder if it is reasonable to simply require that the sash
> always be pulled down at least 1/3 (or so) when working with the more
> toxic substances. This would not seriously impede the use of the hood
> from an ergonomic perspective. >>
>
> JAK: I believe we are talking about the air velocity in linear feet per minute
> (lfpm) and not the volume of air in cubic feet per minute (cfm or cfpm).
>
> I would find it reasonable to decide what air velocity is needed for
> conducting the particular experiments and then mark the sash position
> which wll provide that velocity.
>
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At 09:11 PM 4/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
>IN my experience, marking a level on hood is kidding yourself. there is
no way,
>absent hood police, that lab people will keep the sash down to that level.
>
>We maintain our hoods to give at least a face velocity of 80 with the sash
open.
>
>Bob
It follows then, thru simple physics, that if they do properly lower the
sash, the face velocity may end up too high, and we get back eddies which
may carry fumes up to breathing zone. This all depends on hood type.
Better to be hood police.
Mary Ann
>Robert L. Burns
>Group Leader, R&D
>Ruetgers-Nease Corp.
>201 Struble Road
>State College, PA
>phone 8142319214
>fax 8142381567
>email rburns@bigfoot.com
>
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Sorry my answer was incomplete- our hoods have make-up air, so if the sash is
down, more air goes into the hood from the make-up system.
I'm opposed to hood police.
Mary Ann Solstad wrote:
> At 09:11 PM 4/20/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >IN my experience, marking a level on hood is kidding yourself. there is
> no way,
> >absent hood police, that lab people will keep the sash down to that level.
> >
> >We maintain our hoods to give at least a face velocity of 80 with the sash
> open.
> >
> >Bob
>
> It follows then, thru simple physics, that if they do properly lower the
> sash, the face velocity may end up too high, and we get back eddies which
> may carry fumes up to breathing zone. This all depends on hood type.
> Better to be hood police.
>
> Mary Ann
>
> >Robert L. Burns
> >Group Leader, R&D
> >Ruetgers-Nease Corp.
> >201 Struble Road
> >State College, PA
> >phone 8142319214
> >fax 8142381567
> >email rburns@bigfoot.com
> >
--
Robert L. Burns
Group Leader, R&D
Ruetgers-Nease Corporation
201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
phone 814-231-9214
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I use Code 3 of 9. I generate the codes with BarCodePro for the Mac.
I print on Avery Laser Labels 5960 using Avery MacLabelPro on an Apple
Personal Laser Writer.
I use FileMakerPro as the database program.
I use a Videx bar code reader
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On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:44:41 EDT Labsafe said:
>In a message dated 98-04-20 13:19:19 EDT, you write:
>
> While we are on the subject of safety...... Has anyone ever participated in
>a mercury thermometer exchange program? Our safety department would like to
>eliminate as many mercury thermometers as possible from campus and has asked
>us to find a vendor who would do this. We would purchase several
>hundreds/thousands of thermometers and the vendor would agree to take-out
>intact mercury filled thermometers.
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On May 13th, the University of Connecticut will be hosting a hazardous
waste mgmt workshop for high school teachers/administrators, and I will be
offering spirit-filled thermometers in exchange for unbroken mercury ones.
I'll let you know of the response- I've had one inquiry of an attendee who
doesn't even want the replacement thermometers, he just wants to bring me
his collection of Hg thermometers he has taken out of schools. By law, I
can't accept broken ones (considered Hazardous Waste), and I'm not a
permitted TSDF.
Stefan Wawzyniecki, CIH, NRCC-CHO
University of Connecticut
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We do not use much HF, but we are currently reviewing our procedures and the
arrangements we have with the local hospital.
What do people generally have on hand in lab? Calcium gluconate paste?
Magnesium sulphate solution? Benzalkonium chloride? Any other better
options?
Jim Cheney
Safety Office
University of Kent
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Would appreciate comments re quality, usefulness, etc of the Americal
Chemical Society video series on lab safety. We are looking for training
videos that apply, primarily to upper level chem courses and especially to
research labs. We already have the Howard Hughes series.
Thanks.
dec
Donald E. Clark, PhD
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Environmental Health and Safety Department
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College Station, TX 77843-4472
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I might have a bias having served as a Technical Consultant for the series,
but I believe they are an excellent resource. They are not your usual safety
video, they have a story to tell and will hold the audiences attention.
Several of the series have won awards for excellence. I use them as part of my
compliance training programs.
You might contact ACS office for a preview copy before you buy, so you can be
the judge.
Robert J. Alaimo, Ph.D., CCHO
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Would appreciate comments re quality, usefulness, etc of the Americal
Chemical Society video series on lab safety. We are looking for training
videos that apply, primarily to upper level chem courses and especially to
research labs. We already have the Howard Hughes series.
Thanks.
dec
Donald E. Clark, PhD
Chemical and Biological Safety Officer
Environmental Health and Safety Department
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College Station, TX 77843-4472
Phone (409)845-2132
FAX (409)845-1348
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Greetings all,
> JAK: Of all the concerns I have about chemical storage, arrangement
> is the last.
I always am so glad when Jim and agree. It's very reassuring that I on
the right track. However, this time I disagree with him for a very
different reason. It's good to see that a lab has sorted out their
chemicals by classification just so that I know, they know what they
have. Yes, nitric acid is an oxidizer tells me that they have an
understanding of the general capabilities of each of the chemicals they
are using. What do you think Jim?
Madelyn G. Miller
Chemical Safety Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
5000 Forbes Ave., 3 PPB
268-1377 or 268-8182
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At 01:27 PM 4/21/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Would appreciate comments re quality, usefulness, etc of the Americal
>Chemical Society video series on lab safety. We are looking for training
>videos that apply, primarily to upper level chem courses and especially to
>research labs. We already have the Howard Hughes series.
>
>Thanks.
>
>dec
Don,
We don't have the set, but I've seen them, and I think they're great. They
get the point across and really hold the audience's attention as well.
I think ACS has a preview tape?
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
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Greetings,
I HATE CLEANING UP (SMALL) MERCURY SPILLS! There I've got that off my
chest. We had a mercury thermometer exchange at the last place I
worked. I was limited to those people who didn't need great accuracy
or temperatures over ~ 120 F. Those people didn't care. Good luck!
Madelyn
> Has anyone ever participated in a mercury thermometer exchange
program?
Madelyn G. Miller
Chemical Safety Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
5000 Forbes Ave., 3 PPB
268-1377 or 268-8182
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Greetings,
We use Calcium Gluconate Gel distributed by Pharmascience Laboratories,
175 Rano Street, Buffalo, NY, 14207 [1-800-363-8805] They are about
$22 for a 25 gram tube. There is an exparation date so keep track of
those that have it and make sure they replace them every two years.
Madelyn
>
> What do people generally have on hand in lab?
Madelyn G. Miller
Chemical Safety Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
5000 Forbes Ave., 3 PPB
268-1377 or 268-8182
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At a previous employer we purchased Hexafluorine and Diphotorine for Hf
burns and caustic/acid burns respectively. Luckily we did not have to use
them while I was there but the testimonials by the vendor (of course) and
other references we checked indicated that the Hexafluorine and Diphotorine
was very effective for first aid and had prevented eye damage after an HF
exposure.
A few caveats though:
- The Hexafluorine (for HF) came in a Fire extinguisher type dispenser and
if I recall was over $1500 each! Part of the cost was that Hexafluorine is
only (at least at the time) made in Europe). The diphotorine was much
cheaper and reasonable .
- The suggested treatment I have seen here in the US has been to use
Calcium Gluconate for HF burns. We decided to invest in the above in
addition to keeping Calcium Gluconate paste on hand.
I am not an expert on HF burns and exposures so if anyone else can add
anything please do so. If anyone is interested in finding out more
information it's probably best to ask the vendor we used:
SOS Technologies (513) 761-3111
Hope this helps.
M. Navea
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We do not use much HF, but we are currently reviewing our procedures and
the
arrangements we have with the local hospital.
What do people generally have on hand in lab? Calcium gluconate paste?
Magnesium sulphate solution? Benzalkonium chloride? Any other better
options?
Jim Cheney
Safety Office
University of Kent
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We use calcium gluconate made up by a local pharmacy. Our standard is
located at
http://www.adm.uwaterloo.ca/infohs/hspm/documents/standards/misc/hf.htm
At 05:12 PM 21/04/98 +0100, you wrote:
>We do not use much HF, but we are currently reviewing our procedures and the
>arrangements we have with the local hospital.
>
>What do people generally have on hand in lab? Calcium gluconate paste?
>Magnesium sulphate solution? Benzalkonium chloride? Any other better
>options?
>
>Jim Cheney
>Safety Office
>University of Kent
>
>
Thanks in advance.
Ian Fraser
Safety Office
University of Waterloo
200 University Ave. W.
Waterloo, ON
Canada, N2L 3G1
Phone (519) 888-4567 Ext 6268
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From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
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>What do people generally have on hand in lab? Calcium gluconate paste?
>Magnesium sulphate solution? Benzalkonium chloride? Any other better
>options?
=46or "dilute" solutions (< 20%, although this varies in the
literature),1:750 quaternary ammonium compounds like benzalkonium chloride
(aka Zephiran) or benzethonium chloride, may be effective. Different
studies have shown MgSO4 (25%) to work as well as or better than Ca
gluconate (2.5%) on most strengths of HF; problem is that they considered
equal weights rather than equimolar quantities (i.e., the patient received
more Mg ions than Ca ions, as pointed out in Goldfrank, 1994), so the issue
is still undecided. Both are widely accepted. MgSO4 and quaternary
ammonium compounds (the latter of which are used as disinfectants as well)
are most effective wrt HF when they are iced. 1% Ca gluconate solution is
recommended for ocular irrigation following decon. Continuous ocular
irrigation/Ca gluconate application following initial decon is best
accomplished with Morgan lenses (they look like contact lenses with tiny
stems), which are most effective with topical anesthetic (e.g.,
proparacaine) and rarely are applied prehospital. FYI - all solutions
listed here are aqueous.
Possibly due to the enormous surface area affected in respiratory exposure,
nebulized Ca gluconate solutions haven't been demonstrated to be effective,
although there are numerous anecdotal claims. No demonstrated harm, either
(yet), but that's not exactly a strong recommendation.
Given that most HF exposures are to the hand/fingers, the best thing one
can do is thorough decon, including gentle soap - finger exposure may lead
to nail removal because it's so hard to completely remove HF subungually.
Allied Chemical, DuPont, and a few others sell HF kits with Ca gluconate
solutiona nd gel, and instructions for use. If anyone would like the
references we used in developing our prehospital protocols, here they are:
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, 1995, Managing Hazardous
Materials Incidents, Vol. III, Medical Management Guidelines for Acute
Chemical Exposures, p. HF1-18.
Allied Signal Chemicals, 1996, Recommended medical treatment for
hydrofluoric acid exposure.
Bronstein, A.C., and Currance, P.L., 1994, Emergency Care for Hazardous
Material Exposure, 2nd Ed., Mosby, St. Louis, p. 154-157, 532-533.
=46ire, F.L., 1988, Hydrogen fluoride: Fire Engineering, v. 141, no. 5, p. 6=
7-70.
Goldfrank, L.R., ed., 1994, Goldfrank's Toxicologic Emergencies, 5th Ed.:
Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs (NJ), p. 331, 1254-1257, 1260-1263.
Hall, S.K., Chakraborty, J., and Ruch, R.J., 1997, Chemical Exposure and
Toxic Responses: CRC, Boca Raton (FL), p. 125.
Riedmiller, A.R., Hauff, P.L., and Mathias, R.W., 1984, The dangers and
handling of hazardous chemicals in the geologic laboratory: US Geol. Sur.
Circ. 924, p. 20-21, 38-39.
Trevi=F1o, M.A., Hermann, G.H., and Sprout, W.L., 1983, Treatment of severe
hydrofluoric acid exposures: Jour. Occup. Med., v. 25, no. 12, p. 861-863.
Upfal, M., and Doyle, C., 1990, Medical management of hydrofluoric acid
exposure: Jour. Occup. Med., v. 32, no. 8, p. 726-731.
Probably more than you wanted to know...
JNR
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
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(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
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ACS complimentary review copies ARE NOT provided; however,every product is
backed by a unconditional, 15-day, money-back guarantee. If you don't like
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As some of you might remember, the University of Wyoming implemented
one of the first Waste Minimization Plans for universities. The plan
was published and distributed all over the country, and you may have
heard about our success--three years in a row now, we've experienced
double digit reductions in waste production.
But, the plan has outdated itself. The success was much greater than
even we anticipated, and so a revision was in order. Our new revision
was distributed across campus this month. I would like to gauge how
much interest there is in this plan revision by asking if anyone would
be interested in a copy of the new directions we've chosen to move.
If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and put the
attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
5 pages.
What do you want?
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
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Laramie, WY 82071-3413
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In a message dated 98-04-21 15:46:18 EDT, Madelyn Miller writes
concerning my comment ...
JAK: Of all the concerns I have about chemical storage, arrangement
is the last.
<< I always am so glad when Jim and agree. It's very reassuring that
I on the right track. However, this time I disagree with him for a very
different reason. It's good to see that a lab has sorted out their
chemicals by classification just so that I know, they know what they
have. Yes, nitric acid is an oxidizer tells me that they have an
understanding of the general capabilities of each of the chemicals they
are using. What do you think Jim? >>
JAK: I have nothing against arrangement of chemicals to lessen the
chance of reaction of incompatibles. It is prudent to store all flammables
in approved flammables cabinets, keep acids and bases separated from
other things and each other (with oxidizing acids, nitric and perchloric away
from organic acids), keep water sensitive stuff in a cool dry place, and
toxics
in a separate area, etc.
I just feel that there are five other types of storage issues that deserve
more
attention before I worry about "A" and "B" falling off the shelf and
breaking
and mixing and exploding. I see many more law suits resulting from stolen
chemicals than from arrangement issues.
How many NACHO readers have had chemicals stolen from their labs or
chemical storerooms? Any stories to share?
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In a message dated 98-04-21 15:42:14 EDT, you write:
<< Would appreciate comments re quality, usefulness, etc of the Americal
Chemical Society video series on lab safety. We are looking for training
videos that apply, primarily to upper level chem courses and especially to
research labs. We already have the Howard Hughes series. >>
JAK: I can't comment of the ACS Video because I've only seen parts of them.
I did want NACHO members to know that LSI has an AV-Lending
library with over 150 different lab occupational safety videos, movies,
audio programs, etc. Some are dated but nevertheless interesting.
*****************************************************
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The Laboratory Safety Workshop
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508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 00:56:37 -0400
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From: "Peter C. Bellina" <pbellina@WVU.EDU>
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At 02:51 AM 4/19/98 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:45 PM 4/17/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>L
>>>knows how to actually get art professors to pay attention to the HazCom
>requirements please share!
>>
>Latch on to the 2 or 3rd issue of Chemical HEalth & Safety, pub. by ACS....
>
>Mary Ann
>
>>It's only the art profs you have trouble with ! How lucky you are
>>For some reason most do not seem to take the fact that they could be
>>responsible for the maiming or death of another as motivation enough,...
Put together a toxicology report specifically for the chemicals these
people deal with. Include health affects, organs affected, routes of
exposure, scare them with any reproductive or teratogenic effects (which
get many people's attention) and include TLVs. If you haven't already, do
some personal air sample and area (both outside and in a hood if they use
them) sample monitoring. Hopefully, there won't be any chemical levels
detected over the exposure limits with the possible exception of inside the
hood. If there is a large variety of chemicals, group them by effects
and/or start with the worst offenders and give a range down to and then
include the offenders with the lowest effects.
Set a date for a mandatory presentation/training session and add this
information to the formal lab safety training for students and maybe some
of them will be able to put your points home if they observe any deviation.
Monitor the training sessions, if you already don't. Hopefully, you will
immediately affect the behavior of some of the Professors and eventually,
through your own efforts and those of the converts, the rest.
I recently gave a presentation for fence contractors, who for the most
part avoid OSHA regulations because as small contractors have yet to
actually deal with OSHA. I included the major program elements specifically
for the business. I was familiar with all the issues because I built fence
for 18 years before returning to school. I took this down only one more
level because of time restraints but this included toxicology and exposure
levels. The MSDS provided by the treated wood suppliers was in paragraph
form and woefully inadequate for providing useful information. From the
comments and questions that I received, I believe I got my point across.
This probably seems like a lot of work but I think you will get results.
Peter C. Bellina
OH&S Master's Candidate
West Virginia University
Cooperative Intern
FLEXSYS America L.P.
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I am overwhelmed by the amout of mail I'm getting from you please remove me
from the list.
joe Blizman
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Subject: Re[2]: ACS Lab Safety Videos
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I had previously sent a private message to the original requestor to keep the
air ways clear of excess material. Since I have seen more responses I thought
I should post to the network.
I may have a bias about the ACS Safety Video series since I served as a
Technical Reviewer & Consultant for the series, but I thought they were
excellent. The material is covered in a fashion designed to maintain the
audience attention. They are up to date and accurate. Several have won
prestigious awards for excellence. I use the series extensively in our
training programs and highly recommend them.
As others have mentioned they have a money back guarantee so you have nothing
to lose in trying them.
Robert J. (Bob) Alaimo, Ph.D., CCHO
Procter & Gamble Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
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Date: 4/20/98 11:36 PM
In a message dated 98-04-21 15:42:14 EDT, you write:
<< Would appreciate comments re quality, usefulness, etc of the Americal
Chemical Society video series on lab safety. We are looking for training
videos that apply, primarily to upper level chem courses and especially to
research labs. We already have the Howard Hughes series. >>
JAK: I can't comment of the ACS Video because I've only seen parts of them.
I did want NACHO members to know that LSI has an AV-Lending
library with over 150 different lab occupational safety videos, movies,
audio programs, etc. Some are dated but nevertheless interesting.
*****************************************************
James A. Kaufman, President
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
Safety in Science Education
The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
schedule, and membership information are available on request.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:38:00 -0400
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I am also overwhelmed by the amout of mail I'm getting from LABSAFETY please
remove me from your mailing list.
S. Salaymeh
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Date: 4/22/98 7:26 AM
I am overwhelmed by the amout of mail I'm getting from you please remove me
from the list.
joe Blizman
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From: PATRICIA BARKER <barkerp@WABASH.EDU>
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Sonja,
I would prefer to have mine faxed. I seem to have difficulty with
attachments. Thanls Pat
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Patricia Barker Barkerp@Wabash.edu
Curator, Chemistry Department Phone 765-361-6207
Wabash College
301 West Wabash Ave Fax 765-361-6340
Crawfordsville, IN 47933 8:-)
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:34:24 -0600
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If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and put the
>attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
>attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
>5 pages.
> What do you want?
>
>Sonja Ringen, Manager
>Environmental Health and Safety
>University of Wyoming
>Laramie, WY 82071-3413
>ringen@uwyo.ed>
I would like to see the plan. I have a Power Mac that uses Word and if
that's what you have I can probably read the attachment, otherwise I
probably won't be able to.
Our fax is 501-450-3829.
Thanks!
***************************************
MARK SMITH
HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY
LABORATORY COORDINATOR
CHEMCIAL HYGIENE OFFICER
***************************************
1600 Washington Ave
Conway, AR 72032
501-450-3812
***************************************
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:08:28 -0500
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From: Susan Lauterbach <sklauterbach@CHEMDEPT.CHEM.OU.EDU>
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>I did want NACHO members to know that LSI has an AV-Lending
>library with over 150 different lab occupational safety videos, movies,
>audio programs, etc. Some are dated but nevertheless interesting.
>
> *****************************************************
> James A. Kaufman, President
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> Safety in Science Education
>
>The Laboratory Safety Workshop is a national non-profit educational
>organization dedicated to making health and safety an integral and
>important part of science education. Free copies of our Laboratory
>Safety Guidelines, Publications List, AV-Lending Library List, seminar
>schedule, and membership information are available on request.
>
>LABSAFETY-L is a public service of The Laboratory Safety Workshop.
> **********************************************************************
I'D LIKE SOME INFORMATION ON BORROWING SAFETY VIDEOS FROM LSI.
SUSAN L.
Susan K. Lauterbach, M.S.
Coordinator, Instructional Laboratories and Facility Safety
University of Oklahoma
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
620 Parrington Oval, Room 208
Norman, OK 73019
Phone: 405-325-2742
FAX: 405-325-6111
e-mail: sklauterbach@ou.edu
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:09:45 -0600
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I would be interested but only have Word 6.0 as a word processor.
Graham Munsell, Life Safety Officer
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces NM 88003
At 07:34 AM 4/22/98 -0600, you wrote:
> If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and put the
>>attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
>>attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
>>5 pages.
>> What do you want?
>>
>>Sonja Ringen, Manager
>>Environmental Health and Safety
>>University of Wyoming
>>Laramie, WY 82071-3413
>>ringen@uwyo.ed>
>
>
>
>I would like to see the plan. I have a Power Mac that uses Word and if
>that's what you have I can probably read the attachment, otherwise I
>probably won't be able to.
>Our fax is 501-450-3829.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>***************************************
> MARK SMITH
> HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY
> LABORATORY COORDINATOR
> CHEMCIAL HYGIENE OFFICER
>***************************************
> 1600 Washington Ave
> Conway, AR 72032
> 501-450-3812
>***************************************
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:31:15 -0600
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From: "Sonja G. Ringen" <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
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You're looking for stories, huh?
<<SNIP>>
>How many NACHO readers have had chemicals stolen from their labs or
>chemical storerooms? Any stories to share?
<<SNIP>>
Well, although this was never actually confirmed, the Univ. of Wyo. was
looked at suspiciously as the source of the mercury behind the mercury
spill in a luggage carousel at Stapelton Int'l Airport in Denver about 5
or 6 years ago. It appears that 5 pounds of mercury had been reported
as missing or stolen from an Engineering lab here, and about 6 months
later, the spill happened at Stapelton (it closed that part of the
airport down for 3 days and cost several million dollars). Although
investigators were up here, no charges were ever made.
My suspicion is that a number of chemicals disappear from our labs to
homes of graduates or otherwise transient people. It's not an issue
anywhere, but it sure is handy to take home small quantities of useful
stuff for cleaning or pesticide use or whatever other creative ideas our
sharp intellectuals can come up with.
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3413
>ringen@uwyo.edu
>
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:39:02 -0000
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From: "L. James Stock III" <34EMQ6K@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>
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I would be very interested in your revised waste minimization plan.
Please e-mail me back with the plan included as an attachment. Thanks.
L. James Stock III
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:46:55 -0000
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When I first came to Central Michigan University 20 years ago the
Isabella County Sheriff called me in to identify some chemicals
confiscated from a drug manufacturing cabin out in the woods. I was
amazed that there were a couple of bottles that I could absolutely
identify as being stolen from our freshman labs. They had Chem 131 and
identifying black dots on them. I don't remember the chemicals but I
believe they were non toxic inorganic salts.
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There isn't enough hours in the day to read all these messages!!!
Please remove my name from your list.
Thanks,
Pat
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Sonja:
If you attach it, please indicate the program that the document was
generated in. Often the problem is trying to open a document with
something that does not recognize it. For example I can open Word 7
documents on my desktop, but not on my lap top.
I would like it as an attachment.
Thanks
Neal
If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and put the
>attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
>attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
>5 pages.
>
>
>
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NEAL LANGERMAN
ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY
8909 C Complex Drive
San Diego, CA 92123-1002
619-874-5577
619-874-8239 (FAX)
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Most word processing software will allow you to save as a text document. This
can be read by almost anything.
Neal Langerman wrote:
> Sonja:
>
> If you attach it, please indicate the program that the document was
> generated in. Often the problem is trying to open a document with
> something that does not recognize it. For example I can open Word 7
> documents on my desktop, but not on my lap top.
>
> I would like it as an attachment.
>
> Thanks
>
> Neal
>
> If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and put the
> >attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
> >attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
> >5 pages.
> >
> >
> >
> *********************************************
> NEAL LANGERMAN
> ADVANCED CHEMICAL SAFETY
> 8909 C Complex Drive
> San Diego, CA 92123-1002
> 619-874-5577
> 619-874-8239 (FAX)
> chemsaf@ix.netcom.com
>
> NEW and REVISED!
> Visit our Home Page:
> http://www.chemical-safety.com
> http:\\www.chemical-safety.com
> The Source for the prevention of injury, illness
> and environmental insult!
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Robert L. Burns
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201 Struble Road
State College, PA 16801
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Could you please fax me a copy of your new revision? (618) 453-7192
I've recently been put in charge of our university-wide waste
minimization program, including chemical redistribution, which is vastly
underutilized at present! Hope to change that situation soon. Thanks!
Ami Ruffing
Center for Environmental Health and Safety
Southern Illinois University
aruffing@cehs.siu.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: Sonja G. Ringen [mailto:Ringen@UWYO.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 4:38 PM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Waste Minimization Plan Revision
As some of you might remember, the University of Wyoming
implemented
one of the first Waste Minimization Plans for universities. The plan
was published and distributed all over the country, and you may have
heard about our success--three years in a row now, we've experienced
double digit reductions in waste production.
But, the plan has outdated itself. The success was much greater
than
even we anticipated, and so a revision was in order. Our new revision
was distributed across campus this month. I would like to gauge how
much interest there is in this plan revision by asking if anyone would
be interested in a copy of the new directions we've chosen to move.
If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and
put the
attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
5 pages.
What do you want?
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3413
ringen@uwyo.edu
>
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From: Benjamín Ruiz-Loyola <rloyola@SERVIDOR.UNAM.MX>
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I would like it as an attachment.
Thanks
Benjamin Ruiz
Mark Smith wrote:
>
> If there is much interest, I can attach the revision itself and put the
> >attachment on this list. There are many, though, who cannot open
> >attachments, and I would offer to fax the revision since it's only 4 or
> >5 pages.
> > What do you want?
> >
> >Sonja Ringen, Manager
> >Environmental Health and Safety
> >University of Wyoming
> >Laramie, WY 82071-3413
> >ringen@uwyo.ed>
>
> I would like to see the plan. I have a Power Mac that uses Word and if
> that's what you have I can probably read the attachment, otherwise I
> probably won't be able to.
> Our fax is 501-450-3829.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ***************************************
> MARK SMITH
> HENDRIX COLLEGE CHEMISTRY
> LABORATORY COORDINATOR
> CHEMCIAL HYGIENE OFFICER
> ***************************************
> 1600 Washington Ave
> Conway, AR 72032
> 501-450-3812
> ***************************************
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:47:24 -0600
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From: "Sonja G. Ringen" <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Waste Minimization Plan Revision
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Okay, here they are. The requests for waste minimization plans and
revisions amazed me. My poor mail box is rather overflowing
today--offer anything for free and you become the most popular person
around.
These attachments are in Word 7.0, so if you have a problem getting
them opened, I'll come up with something else.
First: These are two slightly different versions of the revision only.
The first document, "Waste Min Revision for Distribution" is the
official document that was distributed on campus and to EPA. The second
document, "Update97.doc" is a little more detailed document that
includes how the Task Force (we're charged with implementing the plan)
will approach the revision. After 6 years experience with the original
plan, we saw what worked and what didn't, and proposed some other ways
to approach the problem.
Second: There were quite a few requests for our original plan, too.
That was written in 1992, and I can't remember where the heck the file
is located. (My memory for details is rather messy, anyway.) So, the
best way to access it is through our www site. It can be found in our
EH&S manual on pages 4-95 through 4-101. And the EH&S manual can be
found at: http://safety.uwyo.edu/ehs/index.html The manual can be
viewed through Adobe Acrobat, which you can install using the
instructions found at the site listed.
Third: This is blatant advertising, and I apologize to those it
offends. My partners in developing the Waste Min Plan and I have put
together several PowerPoint training programs that are soon to be
released through Envirowin Software, Inc. Look in the April catalog for
a series of training and templates for developing your own Pollution
Prevention Plans (known in the past as Waste Minimization). They're
priced between $199 and $249 each. While we're talking about it, we
also have a Laboratory Safety Series (10 different programs) on
PowerPoint sold through Envirowin, too. They are also between $199 and
$249 each. Envirowin's phone number is 800-454-0404.
Good luck to you all if you're just now looking at developing a waste
minimization plan. For 3 years, we saw a growth in the generation of
hazardous waste before it started decreasing. Now, we've become a small
quantity generator and have reduced the number of staff dedicated to
hazardous waste--about a 60-70% reduction in haz waste generation.
Oh, yeah. I'll be speaking at the joint meeting of the College and
University Hazardous Waste Association and the Campus Safety, Health and
Environmental Management Association in New Orleans in July on our
charge-back system associated with the Waste Min Plan.
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3413
ringen@uwyo.edu
>
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I have noticed that there has been a flurry of folks dropping out of the
list. Perhaps if we only posted replies (like for my question regarding bar
codes or the one regarding the waste minimization regs) that are not
pertinent to the list directly to the individual who asked. I know that I
have received at least one request to pass along info I get to someone else
who is interested, but I'm not sure the rest of the list wants to know about
what code everyone is using. Same with format preferences. Does this make
sense?
This is also a good arguement for specificity (is that a word?) of subject
lines and altering them as the discussion moves on a different tangent.
My opinion, sorry if I offended anyone.
Tammy Tayman
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LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU,.internet writes:
>I have noticed that there has been a flurry of folks dropping out of the
>list.
I think we should expect some drop-outs. Several out of more than 400
is not bad, is it?
> Perhaps if we only posted replies (like for my question regarding bar
>codes or the one regarding the waste minimization regs) that are not
>pertinent to the list directly to the individual who asked.
I learn a great deal from the discussions and wish to be included. I
would prefer that those who are swamped just by-pass on opening and
reading those messages for which the topic is not of interest.
I also, as was pointed out earlier by another member, frequently find I
do not have the specific-reply function available to me for these
list-serve messages.
TRR, CSUB
>This is also a good arguement for specificity (is that a word?) of
>subject
>lines and altering them as the discussion moves on a different tangent.
>My opinion, sorry if I offended anyone. Tammy, isn't it a drag we
>can't please all the people all the time?
>Tammy Tayman
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From: Robert Alaimo <alaimo.rj@PG.COM>
Subject: Re: Waste Minimization Plan Revision
I'd like to point out another good source of information on Laboratory Waste
Minimization. Peter Ashbrook of U of Illinois Urbana-Champaign writes a column
in the ACS Division of Chemical Health & Safety magazine. He is up to
recommendation 42 at last count. Check these out for a great resource. Also
the ACS has several free booklets on laboratory waste management. These are
available by calling the ACS Safety Hotline and asking for a copy or
directions on how to get a copy.
Bob Alaimo
P&G Pharmaceuticals
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>There isn't enough hours in the day to read all these messages!!!
>I have noticed that there has been a flurry of folks dropping out of the
>list. Perhaps if we only posted replies (like for my question regarding bar
>codes or the one regarding the waste minimization regs) that are not
>pertinent to the list directly to the individual who asked.
Responding directly when pertinent, from what I have observed would cut
down on the traffic considerably. I find it dissapointing to see folks
dropping out because of this.
The response to the Waste Minimization Plan is a good example.
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From: Debbie Decker <deckerd@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Tebuthiuron - tear gas?
Good morning:
I've come across a pesticide (tebuthiuron; cas # 34014-18-1) in my
chemical inventory database that shows "tear gas" as one of the
synonyms. I've searched UVM's msds database, Chemfinder and looked
at Edgewood's chemical warfare agents data. I can't find any
confirmation that tebuthiuron, in addition to its use as a
pesticide, is also used as a tear gas agent. Neither can I find any
semi-comprehensive list of materials that are used as tear gas
agents that would unconfirm tebuthiuron's use as a tear gas agent.
Help!
Thanking you in advance,
Deb.
*****************
Debbie Decker
Chemical Hygiene Officer
CSU, Sacramento
(916)278-5165
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From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
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Good day,
I need a quick survey; please respond to me off-line:
What are institutional requirements for the following PPE?
- Safety glasses
- Open-toed (or open-heeled) shoes
- Shorts
- Lab coats/aprons
Are people in your labs required to wear these items at all times in any
lab, in labs where hazardous chemicals are present, or only when the
individual actually is using hazardous chemicals?
I realize this seems rather basic, but I have my reasons. If it's not
obvious from your e-mail signature, please let me know where you work.
Thanks,
JNR
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
government of Canada, with which he has no affiliation.
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:57:09 -0700
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From: Kendell Silveira <kesilvei@CABRILLO.CC.CA.US>
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Debbie-
This neither confirms nor denies your question but
this might offer a little assistance:
The formula is: C9H16N4OS
Its name is:
N-[5-(1,1,-Dimethylethyl)-1,3,4-thiadiazol-2-yl]-N,N'-
dimethyl urea
Merk index #9255 12th ed.
It is described as a Herbacide and not an
incectacide and its LD50 is
Good Luck!
Kendell
Debbie Decker wrote:
> Good morning:
>
> I've come across a pesticide (tebuthiuron; cas #
> 34014-18-1) in my
> chemical inventory database that shows "tear
> gas" as one of the
> synonyms. I've searched UVM's msds database,
> Chemfinder and looked
> at Edgewood's chemical warfare agents data. I
> can't find any
> confirmation that tebuthiuron, in addition to
> its use as a
> pesticide, is also used as a tear gas agent.
> Neither can I find any
> semi-comprehensive list of materials that are
> used as tear gas
> agents that would unconfirm tebuthiuron's use as
> a tear gas agent.
>
> Help!
>
> Thanking you in advance,
> Deb.
>
> *****************
> Debbie Decker
> Chemical Hygiene Officer
> CSU, Sacramento
> (916)278-5165
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From: "Sonja G. Ringen" <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Re: drop outs
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>
><<SNIP>>
>Responding directly when pertinent, from what I have observed would cut
>down on the traffic considerably. I find it dissapointing to see folks
>dropping out because of this.
>The response to the Waste Minimization Plan is a good example.
<<SNIP>>
Actual data will help here. I have received 47 responses to my posting
yesterday on the Waste Min Plan. As far as I can tell, only 7 of them
came directly from the listserve. Most people are pretty responsible
about not cluttering the list, and they ought to be commended.
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3413
>ringen@uwyo.edu
>
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Jeff,
Our institutional requirements are as follows:
- Chemical Splash Goggles are the only acceptable eyewear that the college
will allow in any laboratory where the potential for splash can occur.
These goggles must be worn at all times in the laboratory.
- Open-toed shoes,sandals and shorts are forbidden in the Chemistry Department
laboratories.
- Lab coats are mandatory in the Chemistry Department laboratories.
Professor Douglas S. Cody, CSP
Nassau Community College
Chemistry Department
1 Education Drive
Garden City, NY 11530
516-572-7986
516-572-7708 fax
e-mail codyd@sunynassau.edu
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From: Dewey Williams <williams@EMAIL.UNCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Chemical Storage
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At 08:31 AM 4/22/98 -0600, you wrote:
> You're looking for stories, huh?
><<SNIP>>
>>How many NACHO readers have had chemicals stolen from their labs or
>>chemical storerooms? Any stories to share?
><<SNIP>>
>
There have been incidents of poisoning by students walking out with arsenic
or cyanide problems, and a case of intentional thallium poisoning of a
Chinese student in Beijing(?).
There are also cases of 'practical jokes' using phenolphthalein and other
common chemicals as laxatives, etc.
And the dorm room preparation of Nitrogen triiodide from mis-appropriated
lab materials.
The fire marshal and bomb squad cringe everytime they walk through our
storeroom and see the potential pipe bombs setting on our shelves.
One reason we don't leave students in the stockroom unattended.
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:25:39 -0700
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From: Roberta Black <srblack@NIDC.EDU>
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Jeff--I am at North Idaho Community College. We require students to
wear safety goggles in the lab any time chemicals are present on their
bench, or any time anyone on their bench is doing any wet chemistry,
including clean-up. Dry labs (no chemicals present) are exempt from the
goggles rule. I put out only those reagents being used for that lab. Any
other chemicals are not in the student labs. Gloves (latex) are in the lab
at all times, and the instructors require them for certain labs, recommend
them for others. Students may use them all the time if they wish. In our
initial safety speil, which the students sign, we recommend no open-toed
shoes or sandals, no shorts, and no long sleeves without cuffs. We do
not provide either lab coats or aprons, but we tell students where they
can buy them. ( We have couple of loaners for people who come in
suits, etc.) When I teach labs, I give students a verbal warning about
shorts, sandals if they show up in inappropriate attire, but I have never
kicked them out. I may give them a lab coat to wear.
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From: Mario Maldonado <mamata@SERVIDOR.UNAM.MX>
Subject: Re: PPE in labs (ALL)
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Hi!
In response to Dr Rubin inquire:
Here at the Facultad de Quimica of the Mexico National Autonomous
University you should wear at all time while ataying at a lab (no
matter if you are working or not with hazardous chemicals): lab
glasses and lab coats (made of cotton). You should not wear open
shoes, shorts or short dresses. To make the student understand how
important this rules are, is one of the daily fights of the chemistry
teacher.
We do even have a printed laboratory regulation wich all student
should read at the begining of the semester.
Mario Maldonado
Facultad de Quimica. UNAM
mamata@servidor.unam.mx
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Jeff Rubin wrote:
> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 13:28:34 -0500
> From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: PPE in labs (ALL)
>
> Good day,
>
> I need a quick survey; please respond to me off-line:
>
> What are institutional requirements for the following PPE?
>
> - Safety glasses
> - Open-toed (or open-heeled) shoes
> - Shorts
> - Lab coats/aprons
>
> Are people in your labs required to wear these items at all times in any
> lab, in labs where hazardous chemicals are present, or only when the
> individual actually is using hazardous chemicals?
>
> I realize this seems rather basic, but I have my reasons. If it's not
> obvious from your e-mail signature, please let me know where you work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> JNR
>
> Jeff Rubin
> Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
> College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
> University of Texas at Austin
> Austin, TX 78712-1199
> jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
> (512) 471-6176
> (512) 471-4998 (FAX)
>
> The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
> government of Canada, with which he has no affiliation.
>
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From: Madelyn Miller <mmiller@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
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Greetings Jim et al,
I have seen more "bearded hydrochloric acid bottles ( results of
their storage with Ammonium hydroxide) than thefts from labs but I do
have some disturbing stories about security.
Back in the 70's I was working with a woman who's marriage broke up and
she took sodium cyanide home with her one day at lunch and .....
committed suicide.
Had one set of "bright" graduate students take a melt-temp and some
chemicals to manufacture Quaaludes (sp?) some kind of depressant.
Others asked for ether, I assume to freebase cocaine while others asked
for Dimethyl sulfoxide back when it was used for bursitis. Don't know
if the got in when I wasn't looking.
----------------------
Madelyn Miller
Chemical Safety Specialist,CCHO
Environmental Health & Safety
Carnegie Mellon University
mmiller@andrew.cmu.edu
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From: Jeff Rubin <jrubin@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU>
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Good day,
Sincere thanks to all those who responded so promptly to my request for PPE
information. Because I was able to present such a wide but consistent
range of responses, I successfully made my point; the reward is support for
what I consider appropriate (or at least adequate) PPE standards here.
I've been asked by a few to briefly summarize replies and will do so
tomorrow.
Thanks again,
JNR
Jeff Rubin
Asst. Dean for Environmental Health & Safety
College of Natural Sciences, Office of the Dean
University of Texas at Austin
Austin, TX 78712-1199
jrubin@mail.utexas.edu
(512) 471-6176
(512) 471-4998 (FAX)
The opinions of Dr. Rubin do not necessarily represent those of the
government of Canada, with which he has no affiliation.
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Here's a URL you might like. This is a way to view this list on a
web-site by conversation topic, sender, etc. The URL is long so be sure
to get it all in:
http://s002.cehs.siu.edu/exchange/root.asp?view=5&mode=3&store=1&acs=ano
n&obj=000000001A447390AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0300A4BDB36E58BDD111860200
A0C9AB25C10000000023340000
Sorry, no search engine yet...
Please let me know how it works. If you have an old browser it might not
work either.
Erik
__________________________________
Erik Talley, Assistant Director
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Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:53:34 -0500
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Yep, it's there. Had to past in three separate steps to get the URL into
the Location box, but it showed right up.
Haven't checked it out yet.
At 06:33 AM 4/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's a URL you might like. This is a way to view this list on a
>web-site by conversation topic, sender, etc. The URL is long so be sure
>to get it all in:
>
>http://s002.cehs.siu.edu/exchange/root.asp?view=5&mode=3&store=1&acs=ano
>n&obj=000000001A447390AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0300A4BDB36E58BDD111860200
>A0C9AB25C10000000023340000
>
>
>Sorry, no search engine yet...
>
>Please let me know how it works. If you have an old browser it might not
>work either.