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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:23:41 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: New Members
Hello NACHO Members,
There are now 80 folks who have joined the association by subscribing to the LABSAFETY
List.
I am repeating below the welcoming message that was posted during the week. Many of you
may not have received it since there were serious delays. The delays were caused by my not
being able to figure out how these things work. Thanks for being patient.
"Welcome to the LABSAFETY list.
Participation in this list is a membership benefit of both The Laboratory Safety Workshop
and The National Association of Chemical Hygiene Officers.
This discussion list is a forum for conversation about lab safety/ CHP/CHO issues. And,
its the virtual meeting place for the growth and development of the new organization.
This is the exciting beginning. To stimulate the conversation and to get to know each
other better, it would be helpful if new members would introduce themselves and share
their concerns, questions, and ideas about lab safety and the organization itself.
Welcome to NACHO. ... jak"
One of the ways we can help the Association to grow is to all help find new members.
Please tell you friends. Please send a copy of the original announcement to others and
other lists. If you need another copy, please let me know.
Regards, ... jim
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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:30:12 -0700
From: John DeLaHunt <JDELAHUNT@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to Convince?
>In a message dated 98-01-30 10:38:54 EST, John wrote:
>
><< My central issue with lab safety at Colorado College is getting the >
Chemistry faculty to agree that it's an idea of merit, and one that they > should
change behavior over. >>
>
>This is without a doubt the big one. How to convince. I'm working
>on a list of 101 ways to convince people you are serious about lab
>safety (and, that it is important).
We've been doing student safety seminars in the upper level (300-400) chem course
(including summer research) for about 4 years now, and some of the faculty are seeing the
plain irony of them saying "Yup, he's right about ..." then breaking that rule
the next day. Not all, but some.
I liken changing the safety culture among chemistry faculty who used to tbe your
professors to pushing a rope uphill. You have to keep at it, and eventually you'll get
dirtymake some progress.
John
John DeLaHunt, EH&S *jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu * VOX: (719)389-6678 *
* * FAX: (719)389-6981 *
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 08:22:39 -0500
From: Joan de Vastey <jdevaste@NOTHINBUT.NET>
Subject: Self Introduction
Hello all. As was requested by Jim Kaufman, I am providing this brief introduction to
myself and my interests.
I'm an industrial hygienist with approximately 13 years in the fields of industrial
hygiene and public health. After many years in the employ of others, I struck out on my
own in 1995. I have been operating my consulting firm since. I have also taken on the task
of managing a federal contract in New York for another consulting firm.
I currently have no responsibilities regarding laboratory safety, but this is certainly
one of the tasks that come across my desk from time to time. I thought that joining this
list would provide an excellent opportunity to learn more about the topic. With that in
mind, I expect that I'll be somewhat of a lurker on this list.
Kudos to Jim for starting this list.
Joan de Vastey, Consulting IH
Devastey Health and Safety Consultants, Inc.
4 Holmes Lane, Willingboro, NJ 08046
(609) 871-3522
Consulting -- Regulatory Compliance -- Training -- Work Place Monitoring
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:36:17 -0500
From: Kelly Hope Morgan <khmorgan@UDEL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Welcome
Comments: To: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
In-Reply-To: <2e682d53.34d2f352@aol.com>
My name is Kelly Morgan and I am a Chemical Hygiene Officer at the University of Delaware.
I was excited to see a group of chemical hygiene officers starting this correspondence.
Good Job Jim and thanks for the CHO training course in Princeton. Many times I sit here in
Delaware struggling with a problem I am sure has already been solved a million times over.
I am excited about the opportunity to share ideas.
Kelly
On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Jim Kaufman wrote:
> Welcome to the LABSAFETY list.
>
> Participation in this list is a membership benefit of both
> The Laboratory Safety Workshop and The National Association
> of Chemical Hygiene Officers.
>
> This discussion list is a forum for conversation about lab safety/
> CHP/CHO issues. And, its the virtual meeting place for the
> growth and development of the new organization.
>
> This is the exciting beginning. To stimulate the conversation
> and to get to know each other better, it would be helpful if new
> members would introduce themselves and share their concerns,
> questions, and ideas about lab safety and the organization itself.
>
> Welcome to NACHO. ... jak
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:39:48 -0500
From: "Chang, Jim C" <jcc11472@GLAXOWELLCOME.COM>
Subject: Re: New Members
Comments: To: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Greetings:
My name is Jim Chang. I am an industrial hygienist and safety engineer at Glaxo Wellcome
Inc. in the Research Triangle Park (NC).
I have been in the health and safety business for 13 years. My current areas of
specialization are faciliities design and engineering support, fire protection
engineering, risk management, emergency response, and process safety management.
I am especially interested in the lab safety list as a way to benchmark what we're doing
against others.
Thank you.
Jim Chang
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From: Jim Kaufman [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM]
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 1998 3:24 PM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: New Members
Hello NACHO Members,
There are now 80 folks who have joined the association by
subscribing to the LABSAFETY List.
I am repeating below the welcoming message that was posted
during the week. Many of you may not have received it since
there were serious delays. The delays were caused by my not
being able to figure out how these things work. Thanks for being
patient.
"Welcome to the LABSAFETY list.
Participation in this list is a membership benefit of both
The Laboratory Safety Workshop and The National Association
of Chemical Hygiene Officers.
This discussion list is a forum for conversation about lab safety/
CHP/CHO issues. And, its the virtual meeting place for the
growth and development of the new organization.
This is the exciting beginning. To stimulate the conversation
and to get to know each other better, it would be helpful if new
members would introduce themselves and share their concerns,
questions, and ideas about lab safety and the organization itself.
Welcome to NACHO. ... jak"
One of the ways we can help the Association to grow is to all help
find new members. Please tell you friends. Please send a copy of
the original announcement to others and other lists. If you need
another copy, please let me know.
Regards, ... jim
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:18:29 -0500
From: "DAVID L. PERRAM" <dlperram@MTU.EDU>
Subject: Introduction
Hi,
I am the CHO for the Civil and Environmental Engineering Department at Michigan
Technological University. My primary job responsibility at MTU is to generate and conduct
research. I have been at MTU since 1983 and have been a CHO since 1990. A point that I am
sure many of you can relate to is the feeling of working in a closet without a light bulb
in regards to developing and implementing the various aspects of this position. It was not
until this year that our Department formed a safety committee and the major concern of the
committee at this time is what are the liabilities associated with safety job titles.
David L. Perram
Research Scientist II
Civil and Environmental Engineering
Michigan Technological University
1400 Townsend Dr.
Houghton, MI 49931
Phone (906) 487-2713
Fax (906) 487-3292
Secretary Phone (906) 487-2098
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:06:14 -0500
From: Matthew Navea <mnavea@COLORCON.COM>
Subject: Re: Welcome
Hello
I am Matthew Navea, Safety Coordinator here at Colorcon (member of Berwind Pharmaceutical
Services). My background of three years has been primarily in Industrial Hygiene and
Safety applications in a secondary steel manufacturing industry. However, in my new
position, I am in a department responsible for lab safety in our various service, QC,
R&D, process, and experimental labs. So I have much less expertise in this area than I
have in the "typical" industrial safety applications. In, short I will be
looking to the collective wisdom and knowledge of this list to help me become more
educated and assist me with developing a continuously improving lab safety process.
Thanks for starting this list.
Thanks,
Matthew D. Navea
Safety Coordinator
Colorcon
mnavea@colorcon.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:37:37 EST
From: Wayne Wood <wayne@PHYRES.LAN.MCGILL.CA>
Organization: McGill University
Subject: Welcome
My intro:
Let me begin by congratulating Jim on this initiative. It will be interesting to see how
this evolves, as I think lab safety is a big enough topic to merit its own list. It's now
up to us to make it work.
I have been involved in lab safety at a professional level for 15 years, and prior to that
for about 10 as a lab person and safety keener. In my present position at McGill
University I have in excess of 1000 labs of all types to worry about in the faculties of
Medicine, Science, Engineering, and Agriculture, so I have plenty of war stories to share.
As well I am active externally consulting mainly to enterprises in the research,
education, and pharmaceutical sectors.
I am also active in the area of lab safety training. Along with a colleague from Calgary,
Gene Shematek, I have had the opportunity to present lab safety courses at various
professional conferences. This all began with a lab safety manual we put together for the
Canadian Society of Laboratory Technologists a little while back, which resulted in
various invitations to present. And since I am already blowing my own horn I thought this
would be a chance to put in a plug for our next appearance - at the Pittsburgh Conference
(on analytical chemistry) in New Orleans on March 2 and 3. I have tacked on the course
description below. For more info, the Pittcon web site can be found at:
http://www.pittcon.org/
Wayne Wood
Manager, Environmental Safety Office
McGill University
Montreal, QC
H3A 2A7
voice: 514-398-4563
e-mail: wayne@phyres.lan.mcgill.ca
http://www.mcgill.ca/eso/
____________________________________________________________________
Course Descriptions
Course
Number: 624
Course Title: Laboratory Safety and Hygiene
Presenter & Affiliation
Gene Marie Shematek
Calgary Regional Health
Authority
Wayne Wood
McGill Environmental Safety Office
Course Time/Location/Fee: Two Day Course
Monday and Tuesday
March 2
March 3, 1998
8:30 AM - 5:00 PM
Room 3
Registration by 2-12-98 $400 + $10 Text /
after 2-12-98 $625 + $10 Text The
registration fee includes instructional
materials prepared by the instructors. Must
be registered for the Pittsburgh
Conference to take this course.
Course Description
This short course provides an overview of
critical issues in laboratory health and
safety. Both clinical and research
laboratories are considered. A
presentation of commonly encountered
chemical, physical and biological hazards
will include a detailed discussion of
control measures. Rather than a
regulation-driven perspective, this course
will focus on hazards and controls and
common problems encountered (i.e.
transient odors, storage issues, etc.). By
concentrating on basic principles,
hazardous waste disposal, fire prevention,
ergonomics, and equipment safety will be
addressed from a generic perspective,
without reference to specific brands of
equipment or specific regulations. Program
design and management issues will also be
discussed, including loss control
elements.
The course is presented as a full-day
program and will consist of lectures,
overheads, videos, and class discussion.
It is designed to meet the basic needs of
those with responsibilities for health and
safety management in the laboratory,
presenting primarily an overview of a
range of issues most frequently
encountered. Class discussions will permit
an exchange of information and sharing of
experience, providing networking
opportunities for the participants. To
assist those wishing to pursue a more
in-depth understanding of specific issues,
the instructors will provided lists of
reference material which may be consulted.
Course Instructers
This course has been designed and will be
delivered by Wayne Wood and Gene Marie
Shematek. Both instructors hold CIH and
ROH certifications, as well as Msc(A)
degrees in Occupational Health Sciences
from McGill University. They are the
co-authors of the CSLT Guidelines for
Laboratory Safety, editions 3 and 4, and
have designed and delivered numerous
courses, including Occupational Safety
Management at McGill University. Wayne is
employed as the Manager of the McGill
Safety Office and has worked as a
consultant to a broad range of industries.
Gene is presently employed as the
Corporate Leader, Occupational Health and
Safety, in the Calgary Regional Health
Authority. She has served as the Safety
Advisor to the Canadian Society of
Laboratory Technologists since 1989, and
teaches industrial hygiene and safety
management in Calgary.
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:45:56 EST
From: Joshua Burnie <JABurnie@AOL.COM>
Subject: HELLO
Hello Everyone,
My name is Josh Burnie. I am a graduate of Curry College class of 1996 and have a BA in
chemistry. I work part time as the Assistant Director of the Laboratory Safety Workshop. I
work full time as a Laboratory Safety Consultant for Kaufman & Associates.
Josh
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:52:32 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to Convince?
Trying to get Principal Investigators to believe in the current safety guidelines is a
challenging job. I mention liablility ...a university is a potful of money when it comes
to lawsuits (even if they are settled out of court) . PIs are ultimately responsible for
personnel within their labs would you want someones life on your hands due to the fact
they weren't following standard safety guidelines?? )
The other thing I do is convince the student population, talk to them directly give them
rational reasons and examples of real accidents...after all they are in the higher
education system for a reason.
One good example is haz. waste regulations..I appeal to the students by telling them it is
there generation that has made the rules on the regulation of waste...look at the effects
of oil spills and industry on the environment...you'd be suprise how their ears suddenly
open up!!
-----Original Message-----
From: John DeLaHunt <JDELAHUNT@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: How to Convince?
>>In a message dated 98-01-30 10:38:54 EST, John wrote:
>>
>><< My central issue with lab safety at Colorado College is getting the
>> Chemistry faculty to agree that it's an idea of merit, and one that they
>> should change behavior over. >>
>>
>>This is without a doubt the big one. How to convince. I'm working
>>on a list of 101 ways to convince people you are serious about lab
>>safety (and, that it is important).
>
>We've been doing student safety seminars in the upper level
>(300-400) chem course (including summer research) for about
>4 years now, and some of the faculty are seeing the plain
>irony of them saying "Yup, he's right about ..." then
>breaking that rule the next day. Not all, but some.
>
>I liken changing the safety culture among chemistry faculty
>who used to tbe your professors to pushing a rope uphill.
>You have to keep at it, and eventually you'll get dirtymake
>some progress.
>
>John
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:05:04 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Introduction
I am a safety inspector for the University of North Carolina My specific area is
Laboratory Safety. My background is a dbl major in biology and chemistry with 5.5 yrs in a
lab doing cancer and blood research. We currently have approximately 500 PIs on campus. I
usally do about 20 inspections/month on a scheduled basis plus I investigate employee
accident and workers compensation reports related to labs and a whole lot more!
I am also on the Emergency Response Team for the University for the laboratory
incidents..chemical spills, odors etc. (HAZWOPER training ). I am also an EMT and
currently in a Paramedic class.
Looking to get CHO certification information...any suggestions??
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:39:40 -0600
From: Susan Lauterbach <sklauterbach@CHEMDEPT.CHEM.UOKNOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Welcome
In-Reply-To: <2e682d53.34d2f352@aol.com>
This is Susan Lauterbach in the Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry at the University
of Oklahoma. In addition to being the CHO, I'm also manage undergraduate chemistry
laboratories. Since everyone else is making introductions, I thought I'd let you know that
I'll participate when I can (REAL BUSY!!!). The idea of convincing people to accept the
concept of safety concept is liability. That's the issue that got safety rolling in this
department, plus 2 faculty members who are committed to EHS issues.
Got to go put out fires....
Susan
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:41:43 -0600
From: mathiason dennis <mathias@MHD1.MOORHEAD.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: INTRODUCTION
A brief overview: Currently serve as CHO and as director of campus EHS. We cover all
indivduals(students,faculty, staff, contractors and visitors) under Minn OSHA rules. We
also have a campus EHS committee and operate under MN Right to Know Act. My background is
basically that of an academic chemist. I have been in the chemistry dept 32 years. I
started out doing so-called chem magic shows, (all those colorful events, explosions, etc)
back in the 50s. At home on the farm we brewed wine and beer and dealt with all of the
problems associated with farming (still the most dangerous occupation in USA.
(Incidentally-still farming - love it!). My research, among other things,has involved
environmental studies related to landfill and industrial waste leaching into ground and
surface water; superinsulated construction and indoor practices as they affect IAQ, safe
ways to perform interesting chem demos, and GC-MS studies of synthesized organometallics.
For the past 12 years I have been actively engaged in haz material cleanup, and in
developing a new safety education program for students entering the chemistry laboratory
program at Moorhead State. We require students to take and pass a 12 hr safety course.
Failure to pass means they cannot get a grade in any lab course. Students are allowed
three attempts to pass. Over the past four years, first take pass rates have improved from
60-75-83-99 %. The key to success is providing them a holistic, understandable, safety
education program that, most importantly, involves them. And chem faculty are
participants. The program gets very enthusiastic endorsement from the students.
Incidentally, the use of goggles in our laboratory dates back to about 1969. So we have
been promoting this approach for a number of years. One of the reasons is that we have had
an UG research program that has involved use of challenging compounds (boranes,
organophophoranes, fluorine and derivatives, strong oxidizing media, peroxo derivatives,
etc). With these you had better have a safety program.
My current major task is overseeing the replacement of our laboratory hood system. Details
of this very interesting project will be presented at 1998-9 CHAS and LSEM meetings.
In summary: It has been an enjoyable and rewarding time! The opportunity to solve problems
is what keeps us going. Definitely beats watching TV!
Dennis R.Mathiason, Director, Department of Environmental Hlth & Safety
Moorhead State University, Moorhead,MN 56563
email: mathias@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Fax 218-236-2882 Ph 218-287-5056
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:54:40 -0500
From: Dan Hurley <dhurley@WFUBMC.EDU>
Subject: Hello
My name is Dan Hurley. I am Sr. Industrial Hygienist at Wake Forest University School of
Medicine. I have about 20 years experience in Environmental Health and Safety covering
issues including Environmental Management, Environmental Health an Occupational safety. I
am a CIH. I look forward to some interesting discussions with regards to chemical hygiene
and lab safety
Daniel J. Hurley, CIH
Wake Forest University School of Medicine
910-777-3078
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:31:41 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: How to Convince? -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
In my experience here at UNE, I have found that all people learn best by example. I also
find that if you can break your faculty into smaller units of three or four people who are
of like discipline, you can tailor your approach. I would have weekly meetings with the
four chemistry faculty. We could deal with problems and I could address training that was
relevant in their daily activities.
I guess it is not as much a matter of convincing as it is educating people. I have had to
outline the problem, educate them about the why, and then give them some solutions to try.
Dictating does not work in the university environment, by and large. I like to use the
meeting system to get training done and problems addressed.
Make safety personal and you have a better chance of getting folks to adopt a safety
mentality.
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:29:41 -0500
Reply-To: deputyn@emu.edu
Comments: Authenticated sender is <deputyn@inserv1.emu.edu>
From: Nancy Deputy <deputyn@EMU.EDU>
Organization: Eastern Mennonite University
Subject: Hello
Hello Jim!
I am a Chemical Hygiene Officer and a Science Center Technician at a small private
university. I work part-time doing two jobs which makes my time very limited.
My background is a B.S. in Biology with a close minor in Chemistry. I have worked in labs
as a lab tech for 10years ( Research-head injury in the neurosurgery dept.,
Environmental-analyzing drinking and wastewater, Agricultural- analyzing animal feed and
soils, Chemical- analyzing medical drugs for a big pharm. company. I went back to school
to pursue a teaching career. I taught high school chemistry and earth science for three
year. I have also volunteered on the rescue squad as an Emergency Medical Technician and
Shock Trauma Technician for five years. Now I have been a CHO for almost two years. I
enjoy my job but I have disadvantages. 1) part-time 2) The support for safety here is very
,very slow.
Nancy Deputy
My opinions only, not those of E.M.U.
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:31:34 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Shelley" <tjs1@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: How to Convince?
In-Reply-To: <01bd2ff2$92631500$10c30298@hrr.www.adp.unc.edu>
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"
>Trying to get Principal Investigators to believe in the current safety guidelines is a
challenging job.
Dear Colleagues--Amen! However, there are several trends I have noticed:
More and more younger faculty are more safety conscious. Many of them have been introduced
to OSHA/EPA/DOT along the way to becoming a faculty member and some of it has been
internalized.
Many graduate students have had safety training at their undergraduate institutions and
they carry this along with them to graduate school.
I have an increasing number of "My professor wants me to do this... is it safe?"
type of questions every year. Some of these folks will be our future faculty members.
Many faculty have been trained in or have "rotated" through the industrial
sector where health and safety concerns are <italic>first.
</italic>These faculty members are generally well equipped to follow safety
guidelines (not always with a smile) and are aware for the need to be compliant with the
regs.
As an additional note, having an institutional health and safety policy that is issued
from and supported by top management is a key piece in my lab safety and compliance
programs. It is the "big stick" that is very useful in getting to those
individuals that are resistant to change.
From my vantage point, the CHO is as much of a practicing social scientist working on
culture change as she or he is a safety expert. Many of the tools used by the social
activist are as useful (perhaps more so) as books of regulations and safety practice.
My $.02. Tom Shelley
***********************************************************
Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University,
Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service
Building,
Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:29 -0600
From: "Eric R. Jeppesen" <jeppesen@EAGLE.CC.UKANS.EDU>
Subject: Hello
Hello,
My name is Eric R. Jeppesen. I'm the Laboratory Safety Specialist
for the University of Kansas. My degree is in Health Physics. I have about three years
experience in safety. I look forward to hearing from other lab oriented people.
Eric R. Jeppesen
jeppesen@eagle.cc.ukans.edu
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:36:34 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: INTRO
Content-Type: text/plain
Hello all. I am Janeen Lapierre, Lab Coordinator - Chemical Hygiene Officer for the
College of Osteopathic Medicine at the University of New England in Biddeford, Maine. We
are a relatively small school going through a painful growth spurt currently.
I have been a CHO for 5.5 years now here at UNE. My back ground is a B.A. in Biology with
a minor in Chemistry. I have worked in research, biotech, industry and academia.
I look forward to sharing ideas with you all and picking up pearls of wisdom from those of
you who have fought the good fight for a longer time than myself.
I too would like to thank Jim for getting this project underway!
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:27:34 -0600
From: Debi Sharpe <sharpdc@MAIL.AUBURN.EDU>
Subject: introduction
My name is Dedra Sharpe. I'm the University Safety Officer for Auburn University in Auburn
Alabama. I have a B.S. in biology and have worked in the environmental and safety field
for over 10 yrs. in industry. I have been at AU for 1 1/2 yrs. I recently became the CHO
after I wrote a CPH.
We have approx 300 labs with over 400 fume hoods. I conduct lab safety training each
quarter but it is not manditory. We would like to make it so. I am trying to bring the
University into the 21st century with regard to exposure control, hazard analysis, fire
protection, accident reporting, and virtually everything in 1910-29 CFR. The difficulty
has been changing the perception that there is no problem. Since we have no state OSHA
program we are exempt from the requirements (we are a state institution).
We have been very lucky historically. The labs have had several small fires and explosions
in the past where no one was seriously injured. I can read the writing on the wall but
convincing others has been very difficult. I am begining to bring the Chemistry dept
around but the Deans are very reluctant to dicipline, especially since some of the worst
labs are run by the professors who get the most funding (grants). Time will tell after I
train everyone to the CHP if it is enforced. I seriously doubt the voilators will have
their labs locked by not complying. Our risk management director understands the issues
(she's not from here and is young) but she is not likely to have much influence unless the
support is there from the top. I fully agree with the statement about older chemists not
understanding the safety issues like the younger ones. The problem is they are very poor
role models. Even the threat of lawsuits won't influence them (I've tried). They have
settled more than a few cases (one was for a hearing loss and they still didn't implement
a hearing conservation plan!!) I suppose they figure it's the cost of doing business. The
only thing I can figure is they haven't been hit hard enough, often enough. Industry was
never this difficult, you would think seemingly educated individuals could grasp these
concepts. I'm optimistic though (none of us would be in safety if we weren't) and I get
wonderful feedback after my training like, "why didn't anybody ever tell me this
before" when I explain why they can't use latex gloves in chemistry labs or why they
need to keep their fumehood sahes at 18. If I can tough it out until some of these guys
retire I might be able to make a difference.
I'm really glad to have this forum to discuss safety issues pertaining to the lab
environment exclusively. This is where most of us have the greatest risk.
P. S. How many of you have taken the CHO exam and how difficult was it? I'm working on my
CSP, CHO will be next!
Debra Sharpe
University Safety Officer
Auburn University
All thoughts are my own, no one else would be foolish enough to claim them.
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:11:09 -1000
Reply-To: Peter Batsakis <batsakis@hawaii.edu>
From: Peter Batsakis <batsakis@HAWAII.EDU>
Subject: Introduction
Aloha,
My name is Peter Batsakis and I'm the CHO for the University of
Hawaii. For the past twelve years I have been primarily involved in
environmental compliance. During the last several years I've also worked
in lab safety, first for a small environmental lab in Chicago and then at
Cornell University.
I've been working here at the University for two months. Besides
lab safety, I also investigate workers' comp claims and help our
industrial hygienist with her work.
It's been interesting to read the comments today about how to
inform the communities we work in about the importance of safety. I've
been assigned to see how we could go about doing that here at UH. What I
have been looking into is how Chemical Safety Committees work at other
institutions. We have Radiation, Biological and Diving Safety Committees
here and they work well. Those committees, however, are mandated by law.
No such law exists for Chemical Safety. What I would like to know is
whether such committees have been effective in the past in helping to
regulate and encourage chemical safety at educational institutions. Any
information would be greatly appreciated.
Pete
Peter Batsakis
Chemical Hygiene Officer
University of Hawaii at Manoa
2040 East-West Road, Honolulu, Hawaii 96822
Phone: (808) 956-3201 FAX: (808) 956-3205
E-mail: batsakis@hawaii.edu
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:20:22 +0000
Comments: Authenticated sender is <jimc@mail.ribi.com>
From: "James E. Campbell" <jimc@MAIL.RIBI.COM>
Subject: I'm Here Too
I guess I'd better jump on the band wagon and do my bio/intro as
well. I received a B.S. in pharmacy from Oregon State University and
subsequently worked in retail and hospital pharmacy for approximately
six years. I then went back to school and the University of Nevada,
Reno and earned a B.S. in Chemical Engineering. I then went to work
for Eli Lilly and Company in Lafayette, Indiana, where I was a
Technical Services Representative, supporting the manufacture of
agricultural chemicals for four years. For the last three years, I
have had the great pleasure of living in western Montana and working
for Ribi ImmunoChem Research, Inc. As the company is quite small
(approx. 100 people) I wear a lot of hats (process engineering,
hazardous materials handling, maintenance, facility
design/engineering, emergency response coordinator, equipment &
process validation and health and safety officer). I took over as
the health and safety officer just over a year ago. Up to that time
this was a two year term. But, since it fit well with my other
responsibilities and I couldn't see completing a lot of initiatives
in two years, I volunteered to take the job permanently.
The safety history here has been satisfactory, but essentially on
"maintenance mode". I have undertaken major revisions in the safety
policies (Safety Manual and Chemical Hygiene Plan) and would like to
establish a behavior based safety culture. The primary hindrance
that I see with implementing change is the high level of education
among our laboratory employees (heavy with PhDs) and thus the
attitude of "I know more about what I am working with than anybody,
so don't tell me what to do". Actually, the staff does not have that
rude of an approach, but the general attitude is there.
Looking forward to getting some good insight into lab safety from
this group.
Cheers,
James E. Campbell
Chemical Engineer
Ribi ImmunoChem Research, Inc.
553 Old Corvallis Rd.
Hamilton, MT. 54840
Phone 406-363-6214
Fax 406-363-6129
E-mail jimc@ribi.com
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:40:30 -0700
From: "Sonja G. Ringen" <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
Subject: Howdy!
Salutations from the University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY. My name is
Sonja Ringen, Manager of Environmental Health and Safety, but also the
CHO for campus. We have approximately 400 labs on campus, about 70% are
used for research. Our departments cover engineering, chemistry,
molecular biology, veterinary research, geology, botany, and several
small labs at high altitudes (>10,000 ft) in observatories and
atmospheric research stations.
One of the most puzzling aspects to the job of chemical safety at this
campus also relates to attitude, as has already been expressed. I find
that the most resistance to the program comes out of the Chemistry Dept.
Do they think they already know all the hazards and can take the
greatest chances? Or do they feel that they haven't been struck down by
a major fire or explosion yet, so the risk isn't real? Or do they
resent having a former student tell them what to do? Actually, the
newer faculty arriving is more attentive to the program.
I'm looking forward to learning from the joint wisdom of this group of
participants.
Sonja Ringen, Manager
Environmental Health and Safety
University of Wyoming
Laramie, WY 82071-3413
ringen@uwyo.edu
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:08:05 EST
From: Jim Mudd <Vajlm@AOL.COM>
Subject: Introduction
My name is Jim Mudd and I manage the hazardous waste and hazardous material
programs for the FBI Laboratory in Washington, D.C. I am a Registered
Environmental Manager and Registered Chemical and Hazardous Materials Manager
through the National Registry of Environmental Professionals. I'm also
qualified as an RSO, so I also manage the radiation safety program when I
have time. I also manage to provide lab safety training to other Federal,
state and local crime labs as requested.
I have been working for the FBI Lab for almost 25 years. About 10 years ago
I switched from research in forensic serology to oversee the development of
quality assurance programs for forensic labs nation wide in DNA testing. As
part of that program, I begin to consolidate the lab safety program within the
FBI Lab and hired a small staff to assist. Over time, I begin to focus more
of my activities on hazardous waste management and chemical hygiene issues in
the lab.
The FBI Lab is a full service crime lab which employees about 700 people. Our
lab is divided into 5 sections: Scientific Analysis (DNA, materials analysis,
explosive residue, firearms, chemistry, hazardous material response),
Investigative Operations and Support (question document, photo, shoeprint and
related examinations), Latent Fingerprints, Special Projects (photo
processing, carpetner shops etc.), and Forensic Science Research and Training
(includes evidence response at crimescenes.). Our lab has the capability to
perform just about any analytical, biological, chemical process you can
imagine. We receive evidence from Federal, state and local law enforcement
agencies throughout the U.S. The forensic laboratory is a different kind of
laboratory animal. Not only does our lab and its personnel have to deal
with the normal chemical, biological and related lab safety issues, the
evidence we encounter may bring their own set of safety issues - both in the
lab and at the crimescene. Needless to say it's never dull here. I look
forward to following the discussions on the list and learning from other's
experience.
Jim Mudd
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:13:03 -0500
From: Rebecca Stricklin <RStricklin@AOL.COM>
Subject: hello from another new one on NACHO
Hello,
My name is Rebecca Stricklin. I am a high school chemistry teacher and
department chair. I am in a suburban high school outside Cincinnati, Ohio. We
currently have 16 science teachers, 6 of whom teach chemistry. Of those 6, 4
have taught chemistry less than 3 years and have had no safety training.
Those of us who have been teaching chemistry and those from the past were all
trained in safety in various times and places. THankfully, despite several
mishaps, we have never had a student seriously injured. With the new "group",
we have already had several mishaps and one student injured. Because of our
past track record, the administration does not always heed any safety advice
and will only do things that are required by law. I am looking for what is
required by law, advice and help for the new teachers, plus we all need to
know as much about safety as possible.
Rebecca Stricklin
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:56:44 -0600
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
Content-Type: text/plain
My name is Erik Talley. I am Assistant Director of the Southern Illinois
University, Center for Environmental Health and Safety. I oversee
chemical waste, chemical safety, biological waste and biological safety
for the University.
It's nice to see a list started for chemical hygiene and related issues.
Speaking of which, I have a question for conversation or clarification.
I know this issue was brought up years ago and probably settled, but I
see new areas where chemicals are used every day and sometimes get
caught up in whether it falls under 1910.1450 or not. Specifically, for
1910.1450, how are you defining a laboratory (engaged in hazardous
chemical use)? I've read the standard and know about the exemptions,
specific definitions of laboratory, laboratory scale, etc. I'm
interested in anything you might call a lab (as per lab standard) that
we may not normally think of as a lab in a University environment. Most
of the time, I end up NOT considering questionable areas as labs, but
I'd be interested in what you think.
_____Parts of 1910.1450________________
(a) Scope and application. (1) This section shall apply to all employers
engaged in the laboratory use of hazardous chemicals as defined below.
"Laboratory" means a facility where the 'laboratory use of hazardous
chemicals' occurs. It is a workplace where relatively small quantities
of hazardous chemicals are used on a non-production basis.
"Laboratory scale" means work with substances in which the containers
used for reactions, transfers, and other handling of substances are
designed to be easily and safely manipulated by one person. 'Laboratory
scale' excludes those workplaces whose function is to produce commercial
quantities of materials.
"Laboratory use of hazardous chemicals" means handling or use of such
chemicals in which all of the following conditions are met:
(i) Chemical manipulations are carried out on a "laboratory scale";
(ii) Multiple chemical procedures or chemicals are used;
(iii) The procedures involved are not part of a production process, nor
in any way simulate a production process; and
(iv) "Protective laboratory practices and equipment" are available and
in common use to minimize the potential for employee exposure to
hazardous chemicals.
Thanks,
Erik
Erik Talley, Assistant Director
Center for Environmental Health & Safety
Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:39:56 +1300
From: Nigel McCarter <n.mccarter@CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Subject: Introduction
Hi,
I run a company in New Zealand (other side of the world from most of you)
specialising in science safety working mainly with Crown Research
Institutes (Government) and univesities.
In previous careers I was a fisheries scientist for National Institute for
Water and Atmospheric Research.
Nigel McCarter
Safety Management and Information Services Ltd
Box 4096 Hamilton
Phone 64 7 856 6004 Fax 64 858 2689
Mobile 025 274 8560
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:38:04 +1100
From: Geoff Roberts <groberts@MIRA.NET>
Subject: Introduction
G'day
My name is Geoff Roberts and I've been a practising chemist in industries
around Melbourne, Australia, for more years than I care to remember -
something near 40 years! I have a BSc in chemistry and am a Fellow of the
Royal Australian Chemical Institute - a very "British" form of peer review.
About half my career has been in management of chemical and process
industries and the other half running a small consulting practice. As
consulting chemists we aim our services mainly at small (less than 100
employees) manufacturing companies that work with chemicals but our client
list also includes people like importers who handle chemicals, insurance
companies and the occasional super-large multi-national. We cover a fairly
general range of consulting work such as development, problem solving,
environmental controls, documentation and negotiation tasks including
assisting in legal matters and disputes. However, in recent years more of
our time has been directed to workplace health and safety involving
chemicals. While that work tends toward workplace safety on the factory
floor with a fairly "hands on" approach (and I subscribe to Ralph Stuart's
Safety List and John DeLaHunt's Hazmat List), many of our clients have
small laboratory facilities. I also have an active interest in lab safety,
particularly teaching laboratories, through my committee membership of the
Victorian state branch of our chemical institute.
I started my career working for Monsanto as a supervisor on plants
manufacturing various organic chemicals. On looking back forty years I am
amazed how advanced our safety program was in those far-away days, with
performance measurement, procedure manuals, employee/management works
safety council, plant safety committees, clearance certificates, lock-out
procedures, pipeline blanking and the lot. I moved on to manage electric
furnaces making yellow phosphorus and other plants using phosphorus for
Albright and Wilson. Nothing sharpens the mind about safety like pumping
molten yellow phosphorus around the place! Then it was a period at a Union
Carbide polyethylene plant in Torrence, California, (where there was also a
liquid hydrogen plant, shipping its product in road tankers to the Pacific
Missile Range) and back to Australia as Carbide's plastics division
manufacturing superintendent. Petrochemical plants, particularly those
using very high pressure, are also rather inclined to focus one on the need
to think about safety. A few years were then spent as head of research and
development for the Petersville Group of food companies that, at the time
was the largest food manufacturing and processing company in Australia.
But, sadly, in recent years the group has been broken up with bits sold off
to overseas owners and is no longer the Australian-owned industry leader
that we had built up twenty-five years ago. After Petersville, I started
my consulting practice and, having managed to feed the family for over
twenty years, must be doing something right in that field.
Geoff
Geoffrey W. Roberts, FRACI
Scientific Testing & Applied Technical Services Pty. Ltd.
Consulting Chemists
230 North Road, Brighton, Vic., 3187, Australia
Phone +613 9596 3257 Fax +613 9596 6985
groberts@mira.net
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:10:15 -0700
Reply-To: garyaw@worldnet.att.net
From: "Gary A. Wright" <garyaw@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Subject: More Intros
Hey NACHOs!
Greetings from beautiful Albuquerque, New Mexico! First of all, thanks to
Jim.
My name is Gary A. Wright, I have a BS in Industrial Technology from SIU
(Go Saluki's) and am presently working on my Master's in Industrial safety
Management from Central Missouri State. I served seven years in the US Air
Force as a Bioenvrionmental Engineering Technician (OSHA & EPA- type work).
I am presently in the New Mexico Air National Guard as the Public Health
tech. I worked as an IH tech at Sandia National Labs (SNL) for
two-and-a-half years before getting "the Boot" (they called it
downsizing!). I then started working for a small company that has several
contracts with SNL (I never left). One of those contracts is the Local
Exhaust Ventilation (LEV) Program, which brings me to you folks. We have
to certify ~1500 LEV systems annually, many of which are laboratory fume
hoods. Wanting to tap in to my experience, my company asked me to
start/run a safety program. It should be fun and challenging!
Best wishes to you all and I hope to be learning a lot!
Adios!
Gary A. Wright
Safety Director, Kirk Air Co, Inc.
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Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:13:48 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Self Introduction
Joan de Vastey wrote....
I expect that I'll be somewhat of a lurker on this list.
Lurkers are definately welcome!
At the same time, this will hopefully be more than a discussion list.
It's the beginning of a new professional organization, The National
Association of Chemical Hygiene Officers. Both members (CHO's)
and affiliate member (non-CHO's interested in lab safety) will need
to help shape the future.
My experience in the American Chemical Society (National, Northeastern
Section, and Division of Chemical Health and Safety) has been that it's
a relatively small percentage of the members (1-5%) who are active in
the organization.
I hope those NACHO members and affiliate members who choose to be
less active will make it clear what they would like from their Association.
.... jim
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:02:34 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Welcome
Hello NACHO members,
Wayne Wood shared some information about his upcoming
course at the Pittsburgh Conference.
I hope others will follow his lead and post course offerings with
registration information and costs. There's a tremendous need
for more safety training opportunities. Thanks Wayne.
And, folks working in labs need effective protective equipment,
protective facilities and resources (software, internet, books,
videos, audio programs, etc). Please share information about your
favorites.
I'm inclined to want a parnership with vendors. How can vendors be
effectively included in NACHO?
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:19:53 EST
From: Wayne Wood <wayne@PHYRES.LAN.MCGILL.CA>
Organization: McGill University
Subject: Videos
Jim Kaufman wrote:
> And, folks working in labs need effective protective equipment,
> protective facilities and resources (software, internet, books,
> videos, audio programs, etc). Please share information about your
> favorites.
Some of my favourite safety videos are listed in our video collection
at:
http://www.mcgill.ca/eso/videotap.htm
Included in the list are about 10 lab safety titles, my clear favourite
being Practising Safe Science, produced by the Howard Hughes Medical
Institute.
Wayne Wood
McGill University
Montreal
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:40:20 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: chemistry will listen if...
How did we get our chemistry dept to straighten-up??
We visit them often!! Most of the time the big PIs are not in there labs
so who do you befriend...the students...the people who are in there
daily...you start a relationship of " Hey, I care about your safety" and
then you educate...believe it or not it worked!!
and during our last epa inspection they visited the chemistry and pharmacy
depts (also a big waste generator) and we passed only 1 cite. (:
-----Original Message-----
From: Sonja G. Ringen <Ringen@UWYO.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Monday, February 02, 1998 7:58 PM
Subject: Howdy!
> Salutations from the University of Wyoming, Laramie, WY. My name
is
>Sonja Ringen, Manager of Environmental Health and Safety, but also the
>CHO for campus. We have approximately 400 labs on campus, about 70% are
>used for research. Our departments cover engineering, chemistry,
>molecular biology, veterinary research, geology, botany, and several
>small labs at high altitudes (>10,000 ft) in observatories and
>atmospheric research stations.
> One of the most puzzling aspects to the job of chemical safety at
this
>campus also relates to attitude, as has already been expressed. I find
>that the most resistance to the program comes out of the Chemistry Dept.
> Do they think they already know all the hazards and can take the
>greatest chances? Or do they feel that they haven't been struck down by
>a major fire or explosion yet, so the risk isn't real? Or do they
>resent having a former student tell them what to do? Actually, the
>newer faculty arriving is more attentive to the program.
> I'm looking forward to learning from the joint wisdom of this group
of
>participants.
>
>Sonja Ringen, Manager
>Environmental Health and Safety
>University of Wyoming
>Laramie, WY 82071-3413
>ringen@uwyo.edu
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:03:44 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Videos
hey we use the howard hughes video in our lab std training as well
the end of the video where all the mishaps take place, wakes everyone up (:
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Wood <wayne@PHYRES.LAN.MCGILL.CA>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:32 AM
Subject: Videos
Jim Kaufman wrote:
> And, folks working in labs need effective protective equipment,
> protective facilities and resources (software, internet, books,
> videos, audio programs, etc). Please share information about your
> favorites.
Some of my favourite safety videos are listed in our video collection
at:
http://www.mcgill.ca/eso/videotap.htm
Included in the list are about 10 lab safety titles, my clear favourite
being Practising Safe Science, produced by the Howard Hughes Medical
Institute.
Wayne Wood
McGill University
Montreal
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:39:17 -0500
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
Subject: Introduction
Hello Everyone,
I am Dewey Williams, Lab Manager for the Chemistry Department at
UNC-Charlotte. My background consists of a BS in Biology/Chemistry, 5
years as QC/Analytical technician, 5 years as a hospital lab tech and 8
years in my present position.
Safety duties include training (stockroom assistants, TA's and lab
assistants), giving a safety lecture to graduate and undergrad researchers,
documenting and collecting hazardous waste from teaching and research labs
and generally pointing out when our research labs are on the verge of
melt-down. I also maintain our chemical inventory database, MSDS's and
provide chemical/lab safety information to students and faculty.
I am also working with our Safety Dept and a faculty member to develop a
research lab self-audit procedure, a lab safety web page and numerous other
projects.
Thanks Jim, for giving us this opportunity!
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:06:06 -0500
Reply-To: deputyn@emu.edu
Comments: Authenticated sender is <deputyn@inserv1.emu.edu>
From: Nancy Deputy <deputyn@EMU.EDU>
Organization: Eastern Mennonite University
Subject: Re: chemistry will listen if...
In-Reply-To: <01bd30a0$e37d9240$10c30298@hrr.www.adp.unc.edu>
That sounds good but I tried to point out safety concerns to a
student. He was wearing sandals and shorts without any safety
glasses alone in a lab. Well, you think I commited a crime. Now the
professors tell me that I am not allowed to approach any students but
come directly to them. Half the time I can't find them and I don't
want to become the police. Any suggestions?
If the problem is bad I do document it.
Nancy
opinions of my own not E.M.U's.
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 10:15:12 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable? -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
Hi Eric.
I was wondering what you consider questionable. If folks are working with small quantities
of chems, I call it a lab.
I will say that we had faculty who wanted to store chems in their office. We have stopped
that practice and moved all chems to storage rooms or labs.
I would be happy to address more specific areas if you give me an example. Janeen
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:17:54 -0700
From: John DeLaHunt <jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: chemistry will listen if...
>That sounds good but I tried to point out safety concerns to a
>student. He was wearing sandals and shorts without any safety
>glasses alone in a lab. Well, you think I commited a crime. Now the
>professors tell me that I am not allowed to approach any students but
>come directly to them. Half the time I can't find them and I don't
>want to become the police. Any suggestions?
>If the problem is bad I do document it.
A "safety police" mentality is a key mindset to avoid. Faculty (despite my
past musigs to the contrary) are reasonable adults and are capable of making
reasoned decisions when presented with all the facts.
Some of the key facts they may be missing are: every employee of the
institution has a personal and institutional obligation to ensure that every
aspect of a student's college career is as free from recognized risk of harm
as they (the employees) can reasonably make it; that failure to do the above
puts the institution at risk; that the institution takes seriously the risk
that faculty expose it to; and that there exist external standards which,
albeit vaguely, define reasonable for the sake of the above discussion points.
If the faculty have these concepts in hand (preferably from legal council),
they may recognize that they, in fact, are to be the "safety police" for
thier labs, not you or I.
Personally, I don't like seeing students in shorts and sandles in lab, but I
allow the faculty lab supervisor to be in charge. If someone gets hurt by
something I cannot control, I don't want to on the list of defendants (even
though I probably will be, as CHO/EHS).
John
John DeLaHunt, EHS & RSO * 1125 Glen Avenue *
*The Colorado College * Colorado Springs, CO 80905*
*jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu* VOX: (719)389-6678 *
* Owner: * FAX: (719)389-6981 *
*hazmat-l@cc.colorado.edu * *
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:32:51 -0700
Reply-To: terrie@cc.usu.edu
From: Terrie Wierenga <terrie@CC.USU.EDU>
Organization: USDA-ARS PPRL
Subject: greetings & lab definition
Hi!
My name is Terrie Wierenga, and I serve as CDSO (collateral duty safety
officer) at the USDA-ARS research location in Logan, Utah. We have three
research labs here with 55 full-time and close to 100 part-time
employees (Poisonous Plant Research, Forage & Range Research, and Bee
Biology). I'm also the CHO, LRPO (radiation officer), and HVAC
maintenance person in addition to my 'real' job in research. Government
labs had their own safety programs for a number of years before we came
under the jurisdiction of OSHA. Since 1991, we follow Utah and federal
OSHA unless our guidelines are more stringent.
Our safety program has seen improvement in the last 7 years. If nothing
else, the documentation requirements have given our labs the push they
needed to get things organized! I have a location safety committee
consisting of representatives from all three labs to help guide and
improve our safety programs. In addition, we work closely with the Utah
State University safety personnel. All of my safety training has been
on-the-job. I have a major in Animal Science and minors in Chemistry and
Journalism from Iowa State University and have been working in research
labs for the last 18 years. Since becoming CDSO, I attend several
training courses each year, most of them the train-the-trainer type so
that when I return to Logan I can train our safety committee. I do have
a lot of support from the three research leaders here; in addition, all
but a couple of the employees strongly support the safety programs. It's
nice!
Our lab definition includes several of our field sites. Since my lab
studies poisonous plants, we often have 3 or 4 field research projects
going throughout the year from Oregon to New Mexico. We collect plant
and animal samples while in the field and sometimes do some basic
chemistry. The sheep camps we use become portable laboratories at those
times.
Although our location enjoyed an accident free year in 1997 (according
to the OSHA 200 log), there is still a lot of room for improvement. I
look forward to learning from the cumulative knowledge of the list
participants. Thanks for offering this forum!
Terrie
--
**Terrie Wierenga
USDA-ARS Poisonous Plant Research Lab, Logan, Utah
v: (435) 752-2941 f: (435) 753-5681
e: terrie@cc.usu.edu
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:39:59 -0700
From: John DeLaHunt <jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
>I know this issue was brought up years ago and probably settled, but I
>see new areas where chemicals are used every day and sometimes get
>caught up in whether it falls under 1910.1450 or not. Specifically, for
>1910.1450, how are you defining a laboratory (engaged in hazardous
>chemical use)? I've read the standard and know about the exemptions,
>specific definitions of laboratory, laboratory scale, etc. I'm
>interested in anything you might call a lab (as per lab standard) that
>we may not normally think of as a lab in a University environment. Most
>of the time, I end up NOT considering questionable areas as labs, but
>I'd be interested in what you think.
Right now, I call labs in Chem, Bio, Physics, one in Geo, one in Psych, one
in the Health Center and EH&S "labs" under 1450. I'm inclined to redefine
that to exclude facilities where chemicals are used as the means, not the
ends. That would cut my list to Chem, about a third of Bio, one in Geo and
EH&S. The rest I would put under 1200.
I haven't fully thought out this move, but I think the increased burden in
MSDS collection and retention might, in and of itself, make it a wash.
Any thoughts?
John DeLaHunt, EHS & RSO * 1125 Glen Avenue *
*The Colorado College * Colorado Springs, CO 80905*
*jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu* VOX: (719)389-6678 *
* Owner: * FAX: (719)389-6981 *
*hazmat-l@cc.colorado.edu * *
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:27:36 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
We have "labs" that are actually shops if you follow the definition of what
a lab is in 1910.1450, and thats exactly what we do with them
> apply the haz. com. std.
hey they need safety regs too
-----Original Message-----
From: John DeLaHunt <jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
>>I know this issue was brought up years ago and probably settled, but I
>>see new areas where chemicals are used every day and sometimes get
>>caught up in whether it falls under 1910.1450 or not. Specifically, for
>>1910.1450, how are you defining a laboratory (engaged in hazardous
>>chemical use)? I've read the standard and know about the exemptions,
>>specific definitions of laboratory, laboratory scale, etc. I'm
>>interested in anything you might call a lab (as per lab standard) that
>>we may not normally think of as a lab in a University environment. Most
>>of the time, I end up NOT considering questionable areas as labs, but
>>I'd be interested in what you think.
>
>Right now, I call labs in Chem, Bio, Physics, one in Geo, one in Psych, one
>in the Health Center and EH&S "labs" under 1450. I'm inclined to
redefine
>that to exclude facilities where chemicals are used as the means, not the
>ends. That would cut my list to Chem, about a third of Bio, one in Geo and
>EH&S. The rest I would put under 1200.
>
>I haven't fully thought out this move, but I think the increased burden in
>MSDS collection and retention might, in and of itself, make it a wash.
>
>Any thoughts?
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:59:47 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Thank You
I want to thank all of you have decided to Join NACHO.
Chemical Hygiene Officers (Advisors, my preference) and
others interested in lab safety need a place to meet and
colleagues with whom to converse/share/crab/complain/ect.
(Maybe even have a virtual coke/pepsi/beer)
I also want everyone to know that Erik Talley at SIU is the
person who made it happen. EriK was the one who stepped
forward when I asked "how do I start this thing" and said
"I'll set it up here on our system". Thanks Erik.
... jim
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:32:14 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: CHO Certification
Heather asked about CHO Certification.
The National Registry in Clinical Chemistry (NRCC) has
with the help of the ACS Division of Chemical health and
Safety developed a CHO Certification EXAM.
Gilbert Smith is the Executive Director of NRCC. Their
email address for more information is NRCC6@aol.com
George Wahl, Russ Phifer and I developed a prep
course for the exam. The course is called "How to Be an
Effective Chemical Hygiene Offices". The course is offered
in two formats (one or two-day) at ACS, New Safety, and
LS&EM meetings.
The '98 dates for the course are ...
March 28 in Dallas, Texas
June 25 in Raleigh-Durham, NC
August 22 in Boston, MA
For more information about the certification prep course, contact
Russ Phifer at envasset@juno.com
... jim
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:19:51 +1100
From: Geoff Roberts <groberts@MIRA.NET>
Subject: Predicting Explosive Chemicals
I have come across, in an old lab manual, a copy of an article "I didn't
Know It Was Loaded!". By-line is "H. K. Livingston, Guest Editor,
Department of Chemistry, Wayne State University, Detroit." On the copy
that I have there is no indication of the journal or date of publication.
The article is about being cautious of the possibility of explosions based
on the atomic grouping in the molecular structure of compounds that might
be used in lab experiments.
I am anxious to find where and when this article was published. Probably
it is at least ten years ago. Can anyone help me?
Thanks
Geoff Roberts.
Geoffrey W. Roberts, FRACI
Scientific Testing & Applied Technical Services Pty. Ltd.
Consulting Chemists
230 North Road, Brighton, Vic., 3187, Australia
Phone +613 9596 3257 Fax +613 9596 6985
groberts@mira.net
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:28:56 -0500
From: Diana Harding <DHARDING@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
Subject: A lurker's intro -Forwarded -Forwarded
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 15:05:51 -0500
From: Diana Harding <DHARDING@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: dharding@MAIL.NYSED.GOV
Subject: A lurker's intro -Forwarded
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 10:38:14 -0500
From: Diana Harding <DHARDING@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
To: safety-l@siu.edu
Subject: A lurker's intro
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Disposition: inline
Hi,
I'm Diana Harding, an Associate in Science with the New York State
Education Department. I have a BS in Chemistry and an MS in Special
Education. I have taught in the public school system, served as a trainer
in school staff development, and currently am one of two associates in
science education (we used to have 6-7 associates). Our
responsibilities include assessment, content, safety issues, teacher
award programs, etc.
I attended Jim's safety workshop back in 1984 (I think). If there was one
thing I remember, it was that the instructor is ultimately responsible and
most likely liable for injury.
It seems that not much has changed in the lab (college or industry) since
I was there in the 60s. I am happy to communicate with all of you and to
share information. In New York we have been spreading the news about
a safe high school lab environment; currently we are nearing the end of
the development of a guideline for safe chemical storage. But we too
need much more work in the area of safety.
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:43:45 EST
From: Wayne Wood <wayne@PHYRES.LAN.MCGILL.CA>
Organization: McGill University
Subject: Re: Predicting Explosive Chemicals
Geoff Roberts asked:
> I have come across, in an old lab manual, a copy of an article "I didn't
> Know It Was Loaded!". By-line is "H. K. Livingston, Guest Editor,
> Department of Chemistry, Wayne State University, Detroit." On the copy
> that I have there is no indication of the journal or date of publication.
>
> The article is about being cautious of the possibility of explosions based
> on the atomic grouping in the molecular structure of compounds that might
> be used in lab experiments.
>
> I am anxious to find where and when this article was published. Probably
> it is at least ten years ago. Can anyone help me?
I am fairly certain the article was originally published in the
Journal of Chemical Education, early 80's I think. It includes a
table of potentially expolsive functional groupings.
Wayne Wood
McGill University
Montreal
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:18:07 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Videos
In a message dated 98-02-03 08:24:32 EST, Wayne Wood wrote:
<< Included in the list are about 10 lab safety titles, my clear favourite
being Practising Safe Science, produced by the Howard Hughes Medical
Institute. >>
The Howard Hughes series is available for free. Call W. Emmett
Barkley at 1-800-424-9924. ...jak
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 07:18:05 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
Erik Talley wrote: I'm interested in anything you might call a lab
(as per lab standard) that we may not normally think of as a lab
in a University environment.
JAK: Some institutions are including their Arts departments and
Photography.
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:47:03 -0600
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
Content-Type: text/plain
Actually, those are the two we are questioning. We just visited the
Cinema and Photography department for a general evaluation. Most
developing situations fall under 1910.1200 in my opinion, but it's hard
to say on some of the research photography folks.
Erik
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kaufman [mailto:Labsafe@AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 6:18 AM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
Erik Talley wrote: I'm interested in anything you might call a lab
(as per lab standard) that we may not normally think of as a lab
in a University environment.
JAK: Some institutions are including their Arts departments and
Photography.
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:06:41 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fwd: safety goggles
>I have a question about goggles/safety glasses. As we all know, students
>hate to wear the safety goggles. Eventhough they are the safest, has
>anyone successfully replaced them with safety glasses.
>
>I am thinking about replacing the goggles with safety glasses from Uvex. I
>was considering using the Provision and Patriot models.
>
>In our current set up, the students purchase the goggles along with
>textbooks. The safety glasses would be not cost much more.
>
>However, I have a concern about safety. Does anyone have any experience
>with safety glasses in undergrad labs? I know students would be more
>comfortable with glasses than with the goggles, but do they afford enough
>protection?
>
>Any info would be appreciated, especially dealing with the safety issue.
>
>thanks,
>eric
>
>Eric Woller
>Chemistry Instructor
>Bethany Lutheran College
>734 Marsh St.
>Mankato, MN 56001
>(507)386-5343
Hi
I'm not at an American school so our legal position is not equival. I
recall an extensive discussion on this list around 1995: I do not know if
there is an archive.
Our Department ask for safety glasses (historical practice here determined
by the Department Admin). We still experience complaints from students
about having to wear them. The major problem is such glasses might not
offer adequate protection against chemical splashes. In one case here, a
student was splashed in the face with a small amount of a halogen in
dichloromethane; a small amount dripped down the forehead towards the eyes;
I do not think this could have happened with goggles. The student suffered
no injury, but I believe this to be just luck.
My only exposure to American legal practices is from sensational news
items, but such a change seems rather risky.
Norman
Norman.Gee@ualberta.ca
http://www.acpo.on.ca/acpa/index.htm
http://www.chem.ualberta.ca/~ngee/Chem10XLabs.html
========================================================================
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:18:05 -0500
From: "Benedict, Kathryn" <BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
Content-Type: text/plain
Safety glasses vs. goggles in the labs.
My personal experience is that goggles are always the best protection in
labs. I was priming an HPLC pump with chloroform a few years back and
had solvent splash up under my safety glasses and into my eyes. It made
quite an impression on me and goggles have been my personal eye
protection of choice ever since.
a slight digression ...........
We did a little experiment in one of our labs a few weeks ago that may
be of value to you in your laboratory setting. I obtained half a dozen
cow eyeballs from a local slaughterhouse and had some of our chemists
perform an experiment where they dripped sodium hydroxide, sulfuric acid
(conc. and dilute), acetone, and trichloroacetic acid on the eye tissue
to see what type of damage was done and how rapid it was.
Tissue damage from trichloroacetic acid was the worst and the most
rapid, the other reagents did visible damage within 30 seconds or less.
We also tried rinsing them off as rapidly as possible ( to simulate the
effect of using an eyewash ) and the damage was stopped at that point,
but it was obvious that the best way to go is to keep things out of your
eyes in the first place.
This generated lots of discussion from the scientists, and really helped
raise awareness levels about eye protection. I think a five minute
session like this at the start of your lab session with reagents you
commonly use may be of more value than a lecture.
Kathy Benedict
benedik@aa.wl.com
Parke-Davis Pharmaceutical Research
Ann Arbor, MI 48105
313.996.7516
========================================================================
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:14:45 -0500
From: Winnie Sell - Chemistry <sell@HAL.MUHLBERG.EDU>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
In-Reply-To: <AD5FC3253459D1118E0300805FBBC4366A78CB@redfox.research.aa.wl.com> from
"Benedict, Kathryn" at Feb 5,
98 08:18:05 am
Nothing but goggles here.
We have a faculty member who puts on a pair of safety glasses in his
first organic lab session and gets someone to squirt water on his
forehead with a wash bottle. After he's done wiping his eyes with a
handerchief he asks if there are any questions.
Winnie Sell
Muhlenberg College
sell@muhlberg.edu
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:41:29 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: Re: safety goggles -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
In chem labs we insist on goggles. Eye injuries are the easiest to prevent. If liquids are
in use goggles are the only true protection. Chem labs just have too many liquid hazards
to use anything else. In Maine there is a law on the books that require students to use
goggles in the chem lab. That helps our case.
In bio labs, we do use safety glasses. We use PPE that students will see in the medical
field in regard to blood born paths. The hazards are less severe by and large in the bio
lab because we have reviewed labs and removed the more hazardous chems and replaced them
with safer alternatives.
I do not believe you can safely use glasses in chem lab. Just review the MSDS's for some
of the chems they use and you will see that goggles are specified.
To address the comfort issue, we use the UVEX Stealth goggle. It comes in two sizes and
seems to be much better received by students and faculty alike. I find them much more
wearable.
For what its worth, Janeen
========================================================================
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:01:22 -0700
From: John DeLaHunt <jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
>Erik Talley wrote: I'm interested in anything you might call a lab
>(as per lab standard) that we may not normally think of as a lab
>in a University environment.
>
>JAK: Some institutions are including their Arts departments and
>Photography.
OSHA Region VIII made it clear to Colorado College that art programs are
"production," and the process operators therein typically lack the research
skills (let alone desire, usually) needed to find their own hazard information.
They specifically instructed us to approach art, photo and arts & crafts
(jewelry, pottery, & fabic) as hazcom operations, and cover them under
1910.1200.
For what that's worth.
John
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:35:50 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Shelley" <tjs1@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Introduction
Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii"
<fontfamily><param>Times</param><bigger>Dear Colleagues--I am the
CHO
for Cornell University. I attended Bowling Green University in Ohio
(more years ago than I care to think about now) and spent most of my
working career as an analytical chemist in various industrial settings.
I have been with Cornell University EH&S for eight years and in the
CHO position for two and one-half years. I sort of fell into the EH&S
field when I couldn't find a "real job" as a chemist and took a
temporary position with Cornell EH&S until I could find a "real job."
I soon found that I thoroughly enjoyed the lab safety work I was doing
as it combined my long standing interest in chemistry with the role of
"social activist" which I have also found rewarding (in a former
lifetime). Now here I am eight years later plugging away at Lab
Standard implementation. Cornell has a substantial research program
with approximately 3,800 laboratory rooms in 85 buildings and about
5,500 line staff laboratory workers. The task ahead of me is daunting
at times, but generally very rewarding. I especially enjoy working
with our graduate students, many of whom are much more concerned about
their safety than their supervisors (faculty in most cases). I have
previously prepared a piece on my role as CHO, which is appended
below.
Congratualtions to Jim for initializing this new list. I look forward
to inspired dialogs with my fellow CHOs. Tom Shelley
*******************************************
The Role of the Chemical Hygiene Officer
The Chemical Hygiene Officer (CHO) is charged by the OSHA Laboratory
Standard
(29 CFR 1910.1450(b)) with "....the development and implementation of
the Chemical Hygiene Plan." Different organizations have taken
different approaches to developing the position of Chemical Hygiene
Officer. These range from a full-time CIH/CHMM to a part-time lab
supervisor, depending upon the requirements of the organization. Some
organizations have a central CHO and others have several or many CHOs
each representing a separate unit of the organization. The only
provision in the Standard stating who may be a CHO is that the
individual must be "...qualified by training or experience." Many
articles have been written in trade journals and safety publications,
including entire books, on how to develop the position of CHO and how
to write and implement a Chemical Hygiene Plan. The following is not
an attempt to summarize the overall role of a CHP, since that varies
enormously from organization to organization depending upon the
chemicals in use, size of the organization and many other factors.
Rather it is a "day in the life" thumbnail sketch of the activities of
the CHO at a large research university. (The list also happens to
approximate my job description!)
Maintain a current understanding of all OSHA (and some EPA/DOT)
regulations relevant to current lab operations
Maintain and manage distribution of the Chemical
Hygiene Plan (CHP)
Facilitate implementation of the CHP campus wide
Develop and maintain the central Chemical Hygiene Committee (CHC)
Manage the fume hood testing program (supervise tester)
Prior approval of fume hood/BSC purchases
Educate, train, support departmental safety reps (DSR)
Manage mail distribution list (DSR-L)
Regular educational postings to DSR-L
Training on "how to" be a safety rep
Prepare materials for lab audit program
and train DSRs/committees to do audits
Facilitate the development of standard operating
procedures (SOPs)
Attend safety meeting with DSRs
Supply with information on issues of compliance
Work in the field to solve problems faced by DSRs
Facilitate formation of departmental safety committees
Similar details as for DSR above
Review the specific research use of chemicals; protocols experimental
setups
Maintain PIH prior approval program; push for expansion of this
program to other
highly hazardous materials
Design review of proposed research facilities both new facilities and
renovations
(with Facilities Engineering and Building Inspectors)
Review lab accidents
Prepare and conduct Training:
Compliance based general programs to train employees
in the provisions of the CHP,
Prepare and present specialized trainings and related
materials for specific highly hazardous chemicals:
Vinyl Chloride
Ethylene Oxide
Hydrofluoric Acid
Prepare and present training for other sectors of the
campus work force not affected by Lab Standard
(such as "Lab Hazards for Non-Lab Workers")
Participate in developing Web pages as required
Generally facilitate the implementation of the "Health and
Safety Plan"
"Other duties as assigned." (often much more than the 5% it is
designated to be)
********************************************************
Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University,
Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service
Building,
Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:39:35 -0600
From: mathiason dennis <mathias@MHD1.MOORHEAD.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Intro and 1910.1450 or 1910.1200 applicable?
In-Reply-To: <22612d8b.34d85c80@aol.com>
I agree with JAK concerning art and photography. What we found when we
investigated these areas is that in some cases the posed risk was far
greater than you would expect to find in a chemistry lab. As an example: A
4 ft X 4 ft X 6 inch deep tub(heated) placed in a standard 4 ft lab fume
hood. The tub is half full with conc nitric acid. It is used by students
doing etching work. For those of you that have already done the math( and
found that the hood probably is not large enough and not designed for this
type of routine daily operation) consider the nature of hot nitric acid.
The safety margin is veneer thick!!! At this point I don't think it is
approriate to concern yourself with the question Is it 1450 or a 1200
issue? In MN it is definitely an Employee Right to Know Issue. (Similar
to HAZCOM) Incidentally -- I shut the operation down. We then replaced it
with a far safer etching process.
We define a lab based on function, not location. Thus the prof doing
experiments in the park would also be expected to address hazards,
determine risk, and provide appropriate "engineering controls" and PPE.
No longer does the prof look at the Chem Hygiene doc as an instrument for
identifying behavior in the traditional lab setting
ACS essentially has endorsed this position when suggesting that
individuals providing chem demos in schools, malls, etc. provide safety
goggles, and address the appropriate safety concerns.
As a last thought : If you have not visited with the arts and photog
people _ take the opportunity. It may be a real" eye opener". Norm
Steare, a safety consultant who had done many institutional audits, felt
that the worst violations of lab practice on a campus would be found in
the art labs. They do some very interesting chemistry.
Dennis R.Mathiason, Director, Department of Environmental Hlth & Safety
Moorhead State University, Moorhead,MN 56563
email: mathias@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Fax 218-236-2882 Ph 218-287-5056
On Wed, 4 Feb 1998, Jim Kaufman wrote:
> Erik Talley wrote: I'm interested in anything you might call a lab
> (as per lab standard) that we may not normally think of as a lab
> in a University environment.
>
> JAK: Some institutions are including their Arts departments and
> Photography.
>
========================================================================
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:47:48 -0500
From: "DAVID L. PERRAM" <dlperram@MTU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fwd: safety goggles
We use the Uvex Astrospec type of glasses in nearly all situations for this
very reason. We only use goggles when pure chemical transfers are being
perfromed, aerosols/splashes are a risk, or flying objects may occur. You
may need to designate areas of the laboratory where goggles must be worn.
At 09:06 PM 2/4/98 EST, you wrote:
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>>>>
>>I have a question about goggles/safety glasses. As we all know, students
>>hate to wear the safety goggles. Eventhough they are the safest, has
>>anyone successfully replaced them with safety glasses.
>>
>>I am thinking about replacing the goggles with safety glasses from Uvex. I
>>was considering using the Provision and Patriot models.
>>
>>In our current set up, the students purchase the goggles along with
>>textbooks. The safety glasses would be not cost much more.
>>
>>However, I have a concern about safety. Does anyone have any experience
>>with safety glasses in undergrad labs? I know students would be more
>>comfortable with glasses than with the goggles, but do they afford enough
>>protection?
>>
>>Any info would be appreciated, especially dealing with the safety issue.
>>
>>thanks,
>>eric
>>
>>Eric Woller
>>Chemistry Instructor
>>Bethany Lutheran College
>>734 Marsh St.
>>Mankato, MN 56001
>>(507)386-5343
>
>Hi
>I'm not at an American school so our legal position is not equival. I
>recall an extensive discussion on this list around 1995: I do not know if
>there is an archive.
>
>Our Department ask for safety glasses (historical practice here determined
>by the Department Admin). We still experience complaints from students
>about having to wear them. The major problem is such glasses might not
>offer adequate protection against chemical splashes. In one case here, a
>student was splashed in the face with a small amount of a halogen in
>dichloromethane; a small amount dripped down the forehead towards the eyes;
>I do not think this could have happened with goggles. The student suffered
>no injury, but I believe this to be just luck.
>
>My only exposure to American legal practices is from sensational news
>items, but such a change seems rather risky.
>
>
>Norman
>
>Norman.Gee@ualberta.ca
>http://www.acpo.on.ca/acpa/index.htm
>http://www.chem.ualberta.ca/~ngee/Chem10XLabs.html
>
>
>
>
David L. Perram
Research Scientist II
Civil and Environmental Engineering
Michigan Technological University
1400 Townsend Dr.
Houghton, MI 49931
Phone (906) 487-2713
Fax (906) 487-3292
Secretary Phone (906) 487-2098
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:03:31 -0500
Sender: LABSAFETY-L Discussion List <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
From: "Benedict, Kathryn" <BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM>
Subject: GOGGLES
Content-Type: text/plain
Safety glasses vs. goggles in the labs.
My personal experience is that goggles are always the best protection in
labs. I was priming an HPLC pump with chloroform a few years back and
had solvent splash up under my safety glasses and into my eyes. It made
quite an impression on me and goggles have been my personal eye
protection of choice ever since.
a slight digression ...........
We did a little experiment in one of our labs a few weeks ago that may
be of value to you in your laboratory setting. I obtained half a dozen
cow eyeballs from a local slaughterhouse and had some of our chemists
perform an experiment where they dripped sodium hydroxide, sulfuric acid
(conc. and dilute), acetone, and trichloroacetic acid on the eye tissue
to see what type of damage was done and how rapid it was.
Tissue damage from trichloroacetic acid was the worst and the most
rapid(IMMEDIATE VISUAL DAMAGE TO THE EYE ),
the other reagents did visible damage within 30 seconds or less.
We also tried rinsing them off as rapidly as possible ( to simulate the
effect of using an eyewash ) and the damage was stopped at that point,
but it was obvious that the best way to go is to keep things out of your
eyes in the first place.
This generated lots of discussion from the scientists, and really helped
raise awareness levels about eye protection. I think a five minute
session like this at the start of your lab session with reagents you
commonly use may be of more value than a lecture.
Kathy Benedict
benedik@aa.wl.com
Parke-Davis Pharmaceutical Research
Ann Arbor, MI 48105
313.996.7516
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Kaufman [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 1998 9:07 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Fwd: safety goggles
>
> << Message: Re: safety goggles >>
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:44:02 -0600
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: GOGGLES
Content-Type: text/plain
The arguments for goggles all sound well and good but should it be
qualifies to state what types of situations call for goggles? How many
labs do you walk into and find people wearing goggles? I absolutely
agree goggles are better against splash protection than glasses and I
don't know of anyone that would disagree with that.
The two questions I have are:
1) what does the law say I have to do and then
2) what is prudent for me to wear
There clearly are advantages to wearing glasses over goggles or everyone
would be wearing goggles or nothing. When I wear goggles, I sometimes
feel LESS safe in some ways because of lowered visibility. Also, how
many people's goggles fog up even if they are vented. If you're working
around chemical vapors, should they be vented? My lab techs. are only
required to wear safety glasses (in most situations). They are trained
to properly use the ventilation hood sash and shields, if necessary. I
also only require my techs. picking up chemical waste to wear safety
glasses. It's all based on the situation and probability of exposure. If
they're transferring a 55G drum of corrosives, it's a different story.
They have goggles, face shield and a lot of other PPE in that case.
Too many times, I have caught myself talking about the best PPE and not
necessarily the most prudent. It's easy for us to do. I always try to
qualify requirements as much as possible.
I am very interested in how often people find research lab personnel and
teaching lab personnel wearing appropriate goggles or glasses. I find
teaching labs are complying better than research. Any comments?
Thanks,
Erik
________________________________________
Erik Talley, Assistant Director
Center for Environmental Health & Safety
Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:58:36 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fwd: Question from Steve Anderson
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If you think the idea of CPT (the ACS Committee on Professional
Training) dropping the class size requirement from its guidelines
is a good, bad, or indifferent idea, please let Cathy Nelson at
ACS hear from you. One voice.... one vote
..... jim
>Hi Steve,
>
>It's been quite a while (more than 15 years) since I worked with
>CPT on their guidelines. I would call 1-800-ACS-5558 and find
>out who the staff rep is to CPT and the name of the current chair
>to ask these questions.
>
>I sure hope it does not include the bench area! ... jim
>
Dear Jim:
Thanks for your prompt reply. In fact I did contact Cathy Nelson
at the ACS-CPT to pose the same questions. Her reply is given below. I'm
disappointed that the CPT is placing liability risks above the important
role of setting a general standard for chemistry departments to emulate.
I'd appreciate your insight on this or if you hear anything further.
Thanks again.
Steve Anderson
X-Sender: can98@wash24.acs.org
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 1998 13:26:59 -0500
To: Steve Anderson <andersos@uwwvax.uww.edu>
From: Cathy Nelson <can98@acs.org>
Subject: Re: Laboratory questions
Dear Steve,
The Committee has recently discussed the space recommendation that is
published in the 1992 guidelines. We researched the origin of this
statement including a check with California schools to see if they were
familiar with this standard. We did not find anyone who knew how this
recommendation was developed, and it will probably be dropped from the next
revision of the ACS guidelines. On space issues, the Committee defers to
the local and federal regulations that cover laboratory safety.
I am sorry that I cannot offer you any more advice on this, but liability
concerns have limited what CPT can say about the physical arrangements in
labs. The Committee only raises concerns if the department mentions
problems that interfere with the instructional and research activities of
the program.
--Cathy Nelson
At 04:19 PM 2/3/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Dear Cathy:
>
> In looking at ACS-CPT guidelines for laboratory space to accomodate
>students, they recommend 42 ASF/student for 2nd year lab courses and up and
>28 ASF/student for students in introductory courses. Is this ASF the floor
>space they need or does this include space they might encompass in partial
>use of the bench? An aisle width of 48" is also recommended for wheelchair
>students. Do you know how much the ASF would be? I would appreciate your
>input on this or relaying these questions to others who could address them.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help. Thanks also for sending us the
>recommendations letter from the CPT on our chemistry program. This will be
>a great help as we continue to seek program accreditation.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Steve Anderson
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:52:17 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
Comments: To: CHEMLAB_L@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
The federal citation for eye protection (which is law in New York
public and provate schools and colleges) is 29CFR1910.132.
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Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:52:22 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fwd: safety goggles
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From: Marvin3809@AOL.COM
Subject: RE: Re: safety goggles
To: CHEMLAB_L@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
I was a School Board member in Tarrytown a few years ago, and I've kept the
School Law Handbook of the NY State School Board Association. My copy isn't
the latest edition, but it offers an answer to the question raised by Bob Mark
Paragraph 9:14 of the handbook says, "Section 409-a requires school boards to
arrange for and require, in accordance with Regulations of the Commissioner (8
NYCRR 141.10), that every student and teacher participating in certain
vocational, shop, and laboratory exercises, wear eye safety devices. This
requirement also extends to visitors to such courses."
I'm not sure, but I think "Section 409-a" refers to NY State education law.
> From: Markrv@SNYFARVA.CC.FARMINGDALE.EDU (Bob Mark)
> Reply-to: CHEMLAB_L@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
> To: CHEMLAB_L@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
>
> James A. Kaufman wrote:
> >Federal and State Law (in most states) require the use of
> >chemical splash goggles for protection against chemical
> >splash. Safety glasses would be inappropriate, illegal,
> >and exposing the instructor and institution to a possible
> >claim of negligence.
>
>
> I teach in New York State and have frequently been asked to cite the laws
> you mention above. I have had no luck in tracing them down. Can you
> furnish me with the citations?
>
> Bob Mark
> email: markrv@farmingdale.edu
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:51:32 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: Re: GOGGLES -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
I fully agree that compliance is an issue in regards to goggle use. I have found that
constant reminders and getting faculty on board with goggles helps immensely. Students
learn best by example. I have incorporated a video demonstrating effectiveness of various
forms of eye protection in my lab safety training for students. The video shows very
clearly what gives you the most protection. I have noticed that when bright folks are
given all the facts, they often make the choice we favored in the first place. The thing
is, when they draw the conclusion themselves, they are more apt to follow through.
From another perspective, I am a parent. When my son is at school, I fully expect his
teachers to look out for his physical safety. If I felt for a minute that they backed off
on a requirement because he didn't like it, thus resulting in an injury, I would hold them
fully accountable. The liability issue when dealing with students is far more troubling
than the letter of the OSHA law. What would you want your child to be using in a chem lab
packed with 20 other freshmen?
My humble opinion, Janeen.
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:50:08 -0600
From: Mark Smith <smithme@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
>The federal citation for eye protection (which is law in New York
>public and provate schools and colleges) is 29CFR1910.132.
>
Dr. Kaufman,
Citing the following below (from the OSHA standard), would eye protection
(i.e. safety glasses) that provide appropriate protection (??) and are ANSI
approved be legal?
Is the debate simply a matter of what is "appropriate" in a given
laboratory situation? And, is the law any more specific about what ANSI Z87
glasses are not really appropriate for chemical splash protection?
Also, did you mean to refer to 29CFR1910.133? or 132?
****OSHA 29 CFR 1910.133 - Eye and face protection.
(a) General requirements. (1) Each affected employee shall use appropriate
eye or face protection when exposed to eye or face hazards from flying
particles, molten metal, liquid chemicals, acids or caustic liquids,
chemical gases or vapors, or potentially injurious light radiation.
&
(b)(1)
Protective eye and face devices purchased after July 5, 1994 shall comply
with ANSI Z87.1-1989,
"American National Standard Practice for Occupational and Educational Eye
and Face Protection," which is incorporated by reference as specified in
Sec. 1910.6.
****Mark Smith
Hendrix College
Conway, AR
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:44:42 -0600
From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
Comments: To: smithme@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU
At 12:50 PM 2/6/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Dr. Kaufman,
>
>Citing the following below (from the OSHA standard), would eye protection
>(i.e. safety glasses) that provide appropriate protection (??) and are ANSI
>approved be legal?
>
>Is the debate simply a matter of what is "appropriate" in a given
>laboratory situation? And, is the law any more specific about what ANSI Z87
>glasses are not really appropriate for chemical splash protection?
>
>Also, did you mean to refer to 29CFR1910.133? or 132?
>
>****>OSHA 29 CFR 1910.133 - Eye and face protection.
>
>(a) General requirements. (1) Each affected employee shall use appropriate
>eye or face protection when exposed to eye or face hazards from flying
>particles, molten metal, liquid chemicals, acids or caustic liquids,
>chemical gases or vapors, or potentially injurious light radiation.
>
>&
>
>(b)(1)
>
>Protective eye and face devices purchased after July 5, 1994 shall comply
>with ANSI Z87.1-1989,
>"American National Standard Practice for Occupational and Educational Eye
>and Face Protection," which is incorporated by reference as specified in
>Sec. 1910.6.
>****>
>Mark Smith
>Hendrix College
>Conway, AR
Mark,
Let me try to help here.
First, ANSI standards are not law, they are standards. Many OSHA
requlations (which are law) reference ANSI and NIOSH standards, which can,
in essence, give the standard the same uuumph as a law.
If you are going to protect your workers from chemical splashes, you need
goggles. Those goggles must meet the requirements of ANSI Z87, and the ones
that do it meet the Type G,H, or K and for severe exposure add type N. ALL
of these goggles are have either NO VENTILATON or INDIRECT VENTILATION. (A
face shield is "type N" protection.)
When you need to protect your workers from chemical splashes is left
completely to the employer. There is no hard and fast rule. Neither the
Laboratory Standard (29CFR1910.1450) nor the Eye protection standard tell
you WHEN you have to do it. Simply put, if an employee gets exposed and an
injury occurs, you weren't requiring enough. Here in this lab, our
Chemical Hygiene Plan stipulates when goggles have to be worn based on (1)
concentration, (2) evolution and (3) amount of liquid.
Hope that helps.
Harry Elston
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D.
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"Payback's a bitch, Ivan"
-Cancer Man, X-Files.
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:18:27 -0600
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
Content-Type: text/plain
Exactly. It would be very easy for us to say everyone must wear goggles.
It is the safest, but is it the most prudent all the time? If we aren't
practical (within regulatory guidelines) people will stop listening to
us altogether.
Erik
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Elston [mailto:helston@FGI.NET]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 1:45 PM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: safety goggles
At 12:50 PM 2/6/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Dr. Kaufman,
>
>Citing the following below (from the OSHA standard), would eye
protection
>(i.e. safety glasses) that provide appropriate protection (??) and are
ANSI approved be legal?
>
>Is the debate simply a matter of what is "appropriate" in a given
>laboratory situation? And, is the law any more specific about what ANSI
Z87 glasses are not really appropriate for chemical splash protection?
>
>Also, did you mean to refer to 29CFR1910.133? or 132?
>
>****>OSHA 29 CFR 1910.133 - Eye and face protection.
>
>(a) General requirements. (1) Each affected employee shall use
appropriate
>eye or face protection when exposed to eye or face hazards from flying
>particles, molten metal, liquid chemicals, acids or caustic liquids,
>chemical gases or vapors, or potentially injurious light radiation.
>
>&
>
>(b)(1)
>
>Protective eye and face devices purchased after July 5, 1994 shall
comply
>with ANSI Z87.1-1989,
>"American National Standard Practice for Occupational and Educational
Eye
>and Face Protection," which is incorporated by reference as specified
in
>Sec. 1910.6.
>****>
>Mark Smith
>Hendrix College
>Conway, AR
Mark,
Let me try to help here.
First, ANSI standards are not law, they are standards. Many OSHA
requlations (which are law) reference ANSI and NIOSH standards, which
can, in essence, give the standard the same uuumph as a law.
If you are going to protect your workers from chemical splashes, you
need goggles. Those goggles must meet the requirements of ANSI Z87, and the
ones that do it meet the Type G,H, or K and for severe exposure add type N.
ALL of these goggles are have either NO VENTILATON or INDIRECT VENTILATION.
(A face shield is "type N" protection.)
When you need to protect your workers from chemical splashes is left
completely to the employer. There is no hard and fast rule. Neither
the Laboratory Standard (29CFR1910.1450) nor the Eye protection standard
tell you WHEN you have to do it. Simply put, if an employee gets exposed and
an injury occurs, you weren't requiring enough. Here in this lab, our
Chemical Hygiene Plan stipulates when goggles have to be worn based on
(1)
concentration, (2) evolution and (3) amount of liquid.
Hope that helps.
Harry Elston
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D.
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"Payback's a bitch, Ivan"
-Cancer Man, X-Files.
________________________________________
Erik Talley, Assistant Director
Center for Environmental Health & Safety
Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:21:06 -0700
From: John Delahunt <Jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
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The selection criteria for eye protection in 1910.133 are essentially
identical to the ANSI standard. Additionally, the ANSI standard will be
considered, in addition to the OSHA standard, as the standard of
reasonable care. Both of these (ANSI and OSHA) make it clear that
indirectly vented goggles are appropriate for chemical use.
Forgive the formatting -- our mailserver took a dive and I'm on a
different system.
John
> ----------
> From: Mark Smith[SMTP:smithme@ALPHA.HENDRIX.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 1998 11:50 AM
> To: jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
> Subject: Re: safety goggles
>
> >The federal citation for eye protection (which is law in New York
> >public and provate schools and colleges) is 29CFR1910.132.
> >
> > ***************************************************> > James A. Kaufman,
President
> > The Laboratory Safety Workshop
> > 192 Worcester Road, Natick, MA 01760
> > 508-647-1900 Fax: 508-647-0062 LabSafe@aol.com
> > Safety in Science Education
> >
>
>
> Dr. Kaufman,
>
> Citing the following below (from the OSHA standard), would eye
> protection
> (i.e. safety glasses) that provide appropriate protection (??) and are
> ANSI
> approved be legal?
>
> Is the debate simply a matter of what is "appropriate" in a given
> laboratory situation? And, is the law any more specific about what
> ANSI Z87
> glasses are not really appropriate for chemical splash protection?
>
> Also, did you mean to refer to 29CFR1910.133? or 132?
>
> ****> OSHA 29 CFR 1910.133 - Eye and face
> protection.
>
> (a) General requirements. (1) Each affected employee shall use
> appropriate
> eye or face protection when exposed to eye or face hazards from flying
> particles, molten metal, liquid chemicals, acids or caustic liquids,
> chemical gases or vapors, or potentially injurious light radiation.
>
> &
>
> (b)(1)
>
> Protective eye and face devices purchased after July 5, 1994 shall
> comply
> with ANSI Z87.1-1989,
> "American National Standard Practice for Occupational and Educational
> Eye
> and Face Protection," which is incorporated by reference as specified
> in
> Sec. 1910.6.
> ****>
> Mark Smith
> Hendrix College
> Conway, AR
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:00:07 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: More on Goggles
Robert Latsch wrote recently....
While I do not disagree with Mr. Kaufman about goggles being prefered
ofver glasses. I must disagree with the statement that State(Most) and
Federal Laws require safety goggles over safety glasses. Most laws I am
familiar with require that the supervisor to assess the risk of the task
invovled and determine the appropiate ppe to use. I would not make a
blanket statement mandating goggles only. I would say use them where thaey
are the best protection available.
JAK: The federal law on eye protection (29CFR1910.132) cites the
ANSI Z-87.1 standard with respect to the devices to be used for protection
of the eyes and face. The ANSI standard specifys chemical splash goggles
for chemical splash protection.
On this basis, I believe that chemical splash goggles are required by
Federal Law for chemical splash protection.
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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 07:00:09 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: GOGGLES
In a message dated 98-02-05 23:27:20 EST, Erik Talley wrote:
<< The two questions I have are:
1) what does the law say I have to do and then
2) what is prudent for me to wear >>
JAK: I would add a third question. ... What types of eye
protection are available?
I don't disagree that ANSI approved safety glasses with side shields
are good protection. As a minimum, they should be worn almost
all the time in the lab. You never know when a beaker will break
and glass fragments will go where they please.
In most undergraduate labs, you have only one type. In this case,
since chemical splash conditions are usually present at some point
during the semester, the law and prudence leads to chemical splash
goggle.
I you can afford to have safety glasses with side shields, chemical
splash goggles, and face shields available, then by all means, wear
the appropriate device at the appropriate time. (Remembering that
face shield are in addition to, not instead of, either safety glasses with
side shields or chemical splash goggles).
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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:34:18 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
Comments: To: CHEMLAB_L@VAX1.BEMIDJI.MSUS.EDU
In a message dated 98-02-06 09:42:49 EST, Rober Latsch wrote:
<< from your (JAK) citation it would appear that Safety glasses are th only
eye protection that is appropiate in a laboratory environment. Where do
face shields fit in or do they? >>
JAK: They fit over either safety glasses with side shields or the appropriate
type of safety goggles (impact or splash) to protect the rest of your face
and throat. This is the ANSI Z-87.1 recommendation which OSHA and
most states have adopted as law.
============================================================
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 09:34:23 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
In a message dated 98-02-06 14:07:09 EST, Mark Smith wrote:
<< Citing the following below (from the OSHA standard), would eye protection
(i.e. safety glasses) that provide appropriate protection (??) and are ANSI
approved be legal?
Is the debate simply a matter of what is "appropriate" in a given
laboratory situation? And, is the law any more specific about what ANSI Z87
glasses are not really appropriate for chemical splash protection?
Also, did you mean to refer to 29CFR1910.133? or 132?
>>
JAK: Mark is correct about the citation number. I should have written
133. 132 is the general personal protection standard that requires almost
all employers to do a workplace hazard assessment to determine what PPE
is needed, provide the PPE, train employees to use the PPE, and then
requre the use of the PPE.
the ANSI Z-87.1 does two things. (1) It provides the specifications that
the devices need to meet to satisfy the standard. If the manufacturer makes
the device up to the specifications, the manufacturer is entitled to mark the
device as meeting the standard. (2) It indicates which device is appropriate
for which circumatance. In the case of chemical splash, the ANSI standard
say use chemical splash goggles (not safety glasses with side shields).
The law (OSHA) say do what ANSI says.
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:40:13 EST
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On 02/05/98 19:58:36 you wrote:
>
>If you think the idea of CPT (the ACS Committee on Professional
>Training) dropping the class size requirement from its guidelines
>is a good, bad, or indifferent idea, please let Cathy Nelson at
>ACS hear from you. One voice.... one vote
>
>..... jim
>
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Dear Colleagues,
Am new to the listserv and do not know the decorum, so please excuse!
In response to Steve Anderson's query about class size...ACS and other
professional science education organizations must raise their voice in
protest about OVERSIZED classes.
One year I was given a Regents level 8th grade class of 42 in a room that
can barely fit 33 comfortably. I was required to give them 30 hours of lab
work. Luckily, I had them for 7 periods per week, back to back
lab/recitation periods and they also were my homeroom class...lastly, they
were considered gifted and, therefore, without the usual discipline
problems. I never knew how I managed, but I did. Could and would I do the
same today? NEVER!
Principals or buidling supervisors must be put on notice that oversizing any
laboratory class is illegal and would be dealt with severly. Unfortuntely,
superintendents look away from these problems.
One nice outcome of the new law in NYState about goggles is the new
sterlizer in my classroom. Now all I have to do is show them the new law on
the type of goggle required...!!!
FOR METRO NYC SCIENCE TEACHERS:
SCIENCE COUNCIL OF NYC ANNUAL CONFERENCE TO BE HELD ON APRIL 4, 1998 AT
STUYVESANT HIGH SCHOOL CONTACT CONVENTION COORDINATOR RICHARD PLASS AT
212/312-4800 X 7011 FOR MORE DETAILS .
Claudia Toback
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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 18:59:35 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Happy Anniversary
The National Association of Chemical Hygiene Officers is
celebrating its one week anniversary. To date, one hundred
and fifty people (CHOs and others interested in lab safety)
have joined NACHO. That's great.
One activity which I hope will be an essential part of our
Association is the sharing of accident, incident, close call,
and near miss reports. The more of these we can share and
discuss, the more we will reduce the incidents.
I'll start with a recent on from a Virginia Secondary School.
Someone left a hotplate plugged in with a beaker on it containing
some liquid. When they returned the next morning the science
wing of the building was filled with acrid smoke. The school had to
be evacuated and 2,600 students and 250 teachers and staff were
sent home for the day.
What did this cost? 250 employees x $200 per day is $50,000.
Now double that for overhead and benefits etc and you get $100,000!
Compare that with the cost of a time to shut off the hot plate.
What's the worst lab accident you are familiar with? What's the
most recent one? Let's start telling stories.
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:32:01 -0500
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
Subject: hood alarms
Comments: cc: NAOSMM@LISTSERV.RICE.EDU
Is anyone familiar with the TSI 8603 Air Guard and/or the Kewaunee Air
Alert 300 Fume hood alarms? We are going to install hood alarms on several
of our older hoods in research and I would like some input.
ease of installation
set-up
reliability
accuracy
any other comments.
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:47:54 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: Hello All.
Content-Type: text/plain
Hello All.
I was dismayed to read about the ACS's decision to remove their recommendations about lab
size and student occupation. I have on numerous occasions used this recommendation to lend
credence to my own recommendations here at UNE in regard to setting enrollment numbers for
our labs. With the ever increasing pressures to make education more cost effective,
student teacher ratios here at UNE have been increasing during my time here. The labs are
often the limiting factor when it comes to setting enrollment figures.
I am familiar with NFPA and local fire code occupancy guidelines. In my application
though, they are not very helpful. Our local fire marshall rated a small lab with an
occupancy of 30 because there were two means of egress. The lab has seating for 12.
Are there any other professional organizations that set these types of guidelines? I am
always being put in the situation of backing up my prudent recommendations with specific
rules/regulations/recommendations/guidelines from other sources.
My humble opinions...
Thanks, Janeen
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:54:17 -0700
From: John Delahunt <Jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: safety goggles
Content-type: text/plain
To clarify a little -- face shields are suggested (by ANSI)/mandated (by
OSHA) when the splash hazard to the face is sufficient (based on a job
hazard assessment), and when the materials in use are sufficiently
injurious (also determined by JHA). The JHA is the employer's job, not
OSHA's, so if the JHA says that eye protection ins't required, that goes
a long way in determining compliance with the PPE standards. Unless
someone loses an eye.
Also face shields do not (according to the standards) provide eye
protection. Appropriate eye protection must be worn under face shields,
as Jim says.
And another quibble: There is only one Federal Law that has to do with
OSHA, the OSHAct of 1970. The 29 CFR documents are regulations, not
statutes, and the ANSI stuff are standards, not regulations. Any or all
of these may be hald up as the standard of reasonable care in personal
injury court, but who really wants to test it?
John
John DeLaHunt, EH&S Manager
The Colorado College
1125 Glen Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719)389-6678 vox
(719)389-6981 fax
jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
> ----------
> From: Jim Kaufman[SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 1998 7:34 AM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: safety goggles
>
> In a message dated 98-02-06 09:42:49 EST, Rober Latsch wrote:
>
> << from your (JAK) citation it would appear that Safety glasses are th
> only
> eye protection that is appropiate in a laboratory environment. Where
> do
> face shields fit in or do they? >>
>
> JAK: They fit over either safety glasses with side shields or the
> appropriate
> type of safety goggles (impact or splash) to protect the rest of your
> face
> and throat. This is the ANSI Z-87.1 recommendation which OSHA and
> most states have adopted as law.
>
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:09:05 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: hood alarms
on some of the hoods that we installed alarms on years ago
they proved to be unreliable, and annoyed lab personnel
most are shut off or disconnected in labs
just one opinion...what good is it if no one utilizes them
-----Original Message-----
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 11:31 AM
Subject: hood alarms
>Is anyone familiar with the TSI 8603 Air Guard and/or the Kewaunee Air
>Alert 300 Fume hood alarms? We are going to install hood alarms on several
>of our older hoods in research and I would like some input.
>
>ease of installation
>set-up
>reliability
>accuracy
>
>any other comments.
>
>
>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
>mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
>UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
>"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
>"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:22:45 -0700
From: DAVID BARBER <DBARBER@DOE.LANL.GOV>
Subject: Re: hood alarms -Reply
I agree, at LANL, they don't want to use the alarms.
The units installed are not routinely maintained.
Dave
>>> Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU> February 9, 1998
>>>
on some of the hoods that we installed alarms on
years ago they proved to be unreliable, and
annoyed lab personnel most are shut off or
disconnected in labs just one opinion...what good
is it if no one utilizes them
-----Original Message-----
From: Dewey Williams
<williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
<LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Monday, February 09, 1998 11:31 AM
Subject: hood alarms
>Is anyone familiar with the TSI 8603 Air Guard
and/or the Kewaunee Air
>Alert 300 Fume hood alarms? We are going to
install hood alarms on several
>of our older hoods in research and I would like
some input.
>
>ease of installation
>set-up
>reliability
>accuracy
>
>any other comments.
>
>
>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
>mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
>UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept.
http://www.chem.uncc.edu
>"These are my ideas and no one else will claim
them."
>"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of
the precipitate"
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:08:00 -0700
From: John Delahunt <Jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: hood alarms -Reply
Content-type: text/plain
> on some of the hoods that we installed alarms on
> years ago they proved to be unreliable, and
> annoyed lab personnel most are shut off or
> disconnected in labs just one opinion...what good
> is it if no one utilizes them
>
> I agree, at LANL, they don't want to use the alarms.
> The units installed are not routinely maintained.
>
Our new science building is likely to end up with VAV valves on the
hoods, controlled by flow and occupancy sensors, and the whole shooting
match will be tied to the Direct Digital Control (DDC) of the building,
allowing the people who care about sensor alarms (HVAC) to fix the hoods
without the occupants having to fight or be bothered with alarms.
We are considering Vent-Alert units for the 40 or so CAV hoods in our
1963 science building, but tying them to the same DDC system that allows
HVAC to monitor for failure, rather than only the users. That said --
I'm convinced that _our_ users would not defeat the alarms -- they'd
call in a work order and put the hood out of commission until it was
repaired. We've had enough stinkies spill in recent memory that people
recognize the value of hoods (by and large).
Hope this helps.
John
John DeLaHunt, EH&S Manager
The Colorado College
1125 Glen Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719)389-6678 vox
(719)389-6981 fax
jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:26:18 -0500
From: "Chang, Jim C" <jcc11472@GLAXOWELLCOME.COM>
Subject: Benchmarking: Electrical devices in R&D laboratories
Comments: To: "SAFETY@list.uvm.edu" <SAFETY@list.uvm.edu>
We're looking at whether or not there should be a corporate standard
regarding acquisition and use of electrical devices in laboratories.
Devices could vary in complexity and include items from stirplates, to
temperature controllers, to robotic analyzers, to other more sophisticated
items. The interest for this stems from a laboratory fire that we
experienced as the result of a water bath unit.
I am trying to determine:
1. Does your organization require any type of external certification
(e.g., UL, FM, ETL) before allowing an electrical device in the facility?
2. If so, how do you deal with one of a kind items or items from
foreign countries that do not have UL listing, FM approval, etc.?
3. Does your organization require any internal certification (e.g., by
an in house metrology group) before allowing the electrical device in the
facility?
4. If the answer to either of the above is YES, how do you deal with
existing (inherited) items?
5. Have you tried to tie reliability/failure/quality data into your
purchasing decisions?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Jim Chang
Safety Engineer
Glaxo Wellcome Inc.
919-483-7972
jcc11472@glaxowellcome.com
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:25:23 -0700
Reply-To: garyaw@worldnet.att.net
From: "Gary A. Wright" <garyaw@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Subject: Hood Alarms
I can't speak of the Kewaunee alarms, but the TSI's are a different story.
It seems that in two buildings we've had problems. These two buildings are
not at all architecturally (sp?) similar. They do however, have in common
a high flow of return air. The controllers had problems controlling the
air flow in about 20% of the hoods in EACH building. We're not sure if the
problems are due to a bad lot, or we have rare case of extreme coincidence.
I may suggest looking into Phoenix Controls they've been reliable so far.
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:13:23 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Class Size
In a message dated 98-02-09 10:47:02 EST, Janeen LaPierre wrote:
<< Are there any other professional organizations that set these types
(class size) of guidelines? >>
JAK: The NSTA and LSI both recommend the lesser of 24 students per
instructor, the design capacity of the room, or 45 sq ft per student. ... jim
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:55:29 -0500
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: hood alarms
In-Reply-To: <01bd358e$30ae4f40$10c30298@hrr.www.adp.unc.edu>
At 03:09 PM 2/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>on some of the hoods that we installed alarms on years ago
>they proved to be unreliable, and annoyed lab personnel
>most are shut off or disconnected in labs
>just one opinion...what good is it if no one utilizes them
>
It sounds like a case for re-education of the lab personnel. Hood alarms
are for THEIR protection. Why would Safety allow them to be turned off?
Would they allow staff to disable other alarms or safety devices because
they were inconvenient?
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:18:57 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: hood alarms
I personally think it was a maintenance problem, and unreliability or maybe
they just were never correctly set. We have a hood maintenance program
where we certifiy all hoods annually.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 10, 1998 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: hood alarms
>At 03:09 PM 2/9/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>on some of the hoods that we installed alarms on years ago
>>they proved to be unreliable, and annoyed lab personnel
>>most are shut off or disconnected in labs
>>just one opinion...what good is it if no one utilizes them
>>
>
>It sounds like a case for re-education of the lab personnel. Hood alarms
>are for THEIR protection. Why would Safety allow them to be turned off?
>Would they allow staff to disable other alarms or safety devices because
>they were inconvenient?
>
>
>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
>mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
>UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
>"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
>"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:44:20 -0500
From: "DAVID L. PERRAM" <dlperram@MTU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Benchmarking: Electrical devices in R&D laboratories
We do not require any certifications.
At 05:26 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>We're looking at whether or not there should be a corporate standard
>regarding acquisition and use of electrical devices in laboratories.
>Devices could vary in complexity and include items from stirplates, to
>temperature controllers, to robotic analyzers, to other more sophisticated
>items. The interest for this stems from a laboratory fire that we
>experienced as the result of a water bath unit.
>
>I am trying to determine:
>
>1. Does your organization require any type of external certification
>(e.g., UL, FM, ETL) before allowing an electrical device in the facility?
>2. If so, how do you deal with one of a kind items or items from
>foreign countries that do not have UL listing, FM approval, etc.?
>3. Does your organization require any internal certification (e.g., by
>an in house metrology group) before allowing the electrical device in the
>facility?
>4. If the answer to either of the above is YES, how do you deal with
>existing (inherited) items?
>5. Have you tried to tie reliability/failure/quality data into your
>purchasing decisions?
>
>Thank you in advance for your help.
>
>Jim Chang
>Safety Engineer
>Glaxo Wellcome Inc.
>919-483-7972
>jcc11472@glaxowellcome.com
>
>
David L. Perram
Research Scientist II
Civil and Environmental Engineering
Michigan Technological University
1400 Townsend Dr.
Houghton, MI 49931
Phone (906) 487-2713
Fax (906) 487-3292
Secretary Phone (906) 487-2098
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:42:28 -0500
From: Mary Anne Chillingworth <mchillingworth@SCIENTECH.COM>
Subject: Re: Benchmarking: Electrical devices in R&D laboratories
In-Reply-To: <1F6ED0F79CA0D011A0BC0080D82079F56C73C5@US2N22>
Jim, I recalled that the Department of Energy Worker Safety and Health
Standards Response Line handled a similar request about experimental or
foreign electrical apparatus in laboratories. Although the response
applies only to DOE and its contractors, it does provide guidance for
others and is based on NFPA and OSHA. Take a look at
http://tis-nt.eh.doe.gov/search97cgi/s97_cgi.exe?action=view&collection=int
erps2&QueryZip=electrical%2C+jurisdiction&vdkvgwkey=http://tis-nt.eh.doe.gov
/rl/pres/docs/D9608030.htm&viewtemplate=int_view.hts&resultstart=&SortField=
Score&SortOrder=Descending
Admitedly, this is the longest URL I have ever seen. I found it by going to
"http://tis-nt.eh.doe.gov/rl/pres/search/search.htm"
and searching on "electrical, jurisdiction", words that I knew were in the
response.
Mary Anne Chillingwroth, CIH, CSP
SCIENTECH,Inc.
mchillingworth@scientech.com
At 05:26 PM 2/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>We're looking at whether or not there should be a corporate standard
>regarding acquisition and use of electrical devices in laboratories.
>Devices could vary in complexity and include items from stirplates, to
>temperature controllers, to robotic analyzers, to other more sophisticated
>items. The interest for this stems from a laboratory fire that we
>experienced as the result of a water bath unit.
>
>I am trying to determine:
>
>1. Does your organization require any type of external certification
>(e.g., UL, FM, ETL) before allowing an electrical device in the facility?
>2. If so, how do you deal with one of a kind items or items from
>foreign countries that do not have UL listing, FM approval, etc.?
>3. Does your organization require any internal certification (e.g., by
>an in house metrology group) before allowing the electrical device in the
>facility?
>4. If the answer to either of the above is YES, how do you deal with
>existing (inherited) items?
>5. Have you tried to tie reliability/failure/quality data into your
>purchasing decisions?
>
>Thank you in advance for your help.
>
>Jim Chang
>Safety Engineer
>Glaxo Wellcome Inc.
>919-483-7972
>jcc11472@glaxowellcome.com
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:23:51 -0600
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Smoke Gun
Content-Type: text/plain
I use to have a smoke gun, not a smoking gun and am looking for a new
one. Can anyone give me a source? Fisher and Alnor say they don't carry
them and I don't care for the one in LabSafety's catalog. We use them
for monitoring air flow in ventilation hoods above and beyond an
anemometer.
Thanks,
Erik
_________________________________
Erik Talley, Assistant Director
Center for Environmental Health & Safety
Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:25:03 EST
Reply-To: ChrisC@PHYRES.Lan.McGill.CA
From: "Christopher Cross, Fire Prev." <chrisc@PHYRES.LAN.MCGILL.CA>
Organization: McGill University
Subject: Univ. & College Emergency Preparedness List
I would like to advise all list members of a not so new listserv at
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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 20:00:13 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: NACHO meeting locations
To: NACHO Members
From: Jim Kaufman
You saw in the announcement of the formation of the new
association that the first public meeting would be June 25th
from 6-9pm at LS&EM'98 in Raleigh-Durham.
Question: Do you think it would be better/worse/no effect for
NACHO to hold its meeting in conjunction with those of other
or on its own? Why? If better, with which groups?
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:41:50 -0600
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1. Clinton Proposes Level-Funding for Eisenhower
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Clinton Proposes Level-Funding for Eisenhower
Budget Seeks Funding for Many New Initiatives
President Clinton's proposed budget for the Department
of Education provides a total of $31.2 billion in
discretionary funding (including the Eisenhower
Program), up $1.7 billion (5.9 percent) over FY 1998.
Funding for mandatory programs (such as Title I and
IDEA) would increase from an estimated $5.3 billion in
FY1998 to an estimated $6.6 billion in FY 1999
primarily because of the proposed new $1.1 billion
Class Size Reduction Initiative (see below).
The FY 1999 budget request for the Eisenhower
Professional Development Program is $335 million, the
same amount appropriated by Congress for FY 1998.
The Eisenhower program is the largest federal effort to
fund professional development activities for K-12
teachers. School districts receive about 71 percent of
the total Eisenhower budget to run programs for local
teachers or support teacher participation in outside
activities.
Another 14 percent of Eisenhower funds support grants
to colleges and universities to run professional
development activities for teachers.
Of the amount appropriated in any year, the first $250
million is to be used for science and math teachers.
(Note: The one-time $25 million earmarked for
professional development in reading in FY 1998 will
not occur in FY 1999.)
For the third straight year, President Clinton has
proposed zeroing out funds for Title VI--Innovative
Education Program Strategies State Grants. The program
was funded in FY 1998 at $350 million. Each year the
President has tried to eliminate Title VI, a battle has
ensued in Congress pitting funding for Title VI against
funding for the Eisenhower program. As readers of this
update know, their grassroots efforts and that of
others have succeeded each year in securing Eisenhower
funding---but only after a long, hard fight.
The Republican Congress likes Title VI because the
funds are unrestricted. This is, of course, the same
reason that the Department of Education dislikes Title
VI, noting that "the program is not well designed to
support the kinds of state and local efforts most
likely to result in real improvements in teaching and
learning. Activities eligible for funding are broad,
vague, and overlapping."
In the last budget go-round, as you recall, some
Republicans, led by Senator Slade Gorton (R-WA), tried
to block grant most education programs into one fund
that would be distributed to states with virtually no
restrictions. THE SAME EFFORT BY REPUBLICANS IS
EXPECTED TO OCCUR THIS YEAR.
President Clinton's budget also promises to promote an
increase in the number of Ed-Flex states, currently at 12,
to a number yet to be decided. This program allows
states to waive certain federal regulations in exchange
for greater accountability. For more on Ed-Flex
states, go to
http://www.ed.gov/flexibility
In his budget, President Clinton also promises to
encourage greater use of the Title I schoolwide program
authority and to further eliminate regulations that
hinder efforts to raise standards or turn around
low-performing schools.
Budget highlights for other current programs of the
Department of Education include:
Title I Grants to Local Educational Agencies
$7.8 billion, up $392 million
To improve education for 10.5 million students in
schools with concentrations of children from low-income
families.
Technology Literacy Challenge Fund
$475 million, up $50 million
To help schools purchase hardware and software and to
train teachers to use educational technology
effectively.
Goals 2000 State Grants
$476 million, up $10 million
To enhance state and local efforts to implement
standards-based education reforms.
School-to-Work Opportunities
$125-million (with equal funding from Department of
Labor)
To support programs that connect what goes on in the
classroom to careers and the real world of work.
Charter Schools
$100 million, up $20 million
To support the start-up of up to 1,400 new or
redesigned charter schools that offer public school
choice with the flexibility for innovative programs in
exchange for greater accountability for student
achievement.
Special Education (IDEA)
$4.6 billion, down $253 million
Vocational Education
State Grants: $1 billion, up $3 million
Tech Prep Education: $106 million, up $3 million
Indian Education
$66 million, up 11 percent
In addition to programs currently operated by the
Department of Education, the FY 1999 budget includes
funding for the following new initiatives:
Class Size Reduction and Teacher Financing Initiative
$1.1 billion
To recruit and train 100,000 new teachers over seven
years for high-poverty urban and rural areas in order
to reduce class size to an average of 18 in grades
1-3. (Funding to come from the still-pending
settlement with the tobacco industry.)
Education Opportunity Zones
$200 million
To provide 50 grants to urban and rural school
districts that enroll large concentrations of students
from poor families to improve accountability, teaching
quality, and expand public school choice.
Teacher Training in Technology Initiative
$75 million
Grants to states, teacher colleges, and other
organizations to help ensure that all new teachers can
use technology effectively.
Community-Based Technology Centers
$10 million
To establish computer centers in low-income
communities.
21st Century Community Learning Centers
$200 million
To support about 4,000 before- and after-school
programs that offer extended learning activities and
safe-havens to students.
Demonstrations of Comprehensive School Reform
$175 million
To support grants to 3,500 urban and rural schools
serving primarily low-income populations to carry out
comprehensive, research-based educational reforms.
Title I "Transition to School" Grants
$35 million
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:37:03 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Assessing Lab Safety
I Thought this might interest Labsafety-L Readers. ... Jim
Dear Sir or Madam:
I posed this question to Mae Timer at the NYS Bd. Of Ed. and she
pointed me to your organization. I am applying for a fellowship to write
a science curriculum for high school students. I need to assure the
funders that the chemical and microbiological activites I propose are safe
for high school students. Do you know of any guidelines or organizarions
that can evaluate the safety of the proposed activites once the curriculum
is actually drawn-up?
Thank you for your help,
Bennett D. Kottler
Cornell University
Dept. of Soil, Crops, and Atmosphere Sciences
706 Bradfield Hall
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 10:10:48 -0500
From: "Herbert H. Gottlieb" <herbgottlieb@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Assessing Lab Safety
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:37:03 EST Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM> writes:
>I Thought this might interest Labsafety-L Readers. ... Jim
>
>Dear Sir or Madam:
> I posed this question to Mae Timer at the NYS Bd. Of Ed. and
>she pointed me to your organization. I am applying for a fellowship to
>write a science curriculum for high school students. I need to assure
the
>funders that the chemical and microbiological activites I propose are
>safe for high school students. Do you know of any guidelines or
>organizarions that can evaluate the safety of the proposed activites
once the
>curriculum is actually drawn-up?
>
>Bennett D. Kottler
>Cornell University
>Dept. of Soil, Crops, and Atmosphere Sciences
>706 Bradfield Hall
The New York City Board of Education has just published a revised
"Science Safety Manual, Grades 9-12" To find out how to obtain a copy
contact Carl Raab at Beach Channel High School, Queens, NY (718)474-5791
or FAX 718 474 5878.
Herb Gottlieb from New York City
(Where there are lots of knowledgeable teachers and organizations that
can provide evaluations of science curricula)
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:40:36 -0500
From: SLYPIG <SLYPIG@PRODIGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Assessing Lab Safety
Carl Raab is very good at what he does. While I'm not presently in
possession of the revisions of NYC's latest Lab-safety manual, will someone
who is please inform me whether or not he included any kind of caveat on
the use of phenols, ethidium bromide and radioactive oligonucleotides by
developing lab participants?
John Cunningham
----------
> From: Herbert H. Gottlieb <herbgottlieb@JUNO.COM>
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Assessing Lab Safety
> Date: Sunday, February 15, 1998 10:10 AM
>
> On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 08:37:03 EST Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM> writes:
> >I Thought this might interest Labsafety-L Readers. ... Jim
> >
> >Dear Sir or Madam:
> > I posed this question to Mae Timer at the NYS Bd. Of Ed. and
> >she pointed me to your organization. I am applying for a fellowship to
>
> >write a science curriculum for high school students. I need to assure
> the
> >funders that the chemical and microbiological activites I propose are
> >safe for high school students. Do you know of any guidelines or
> >organizarions that can evaluate the safety of the proposed activites
> once the
> >curriculum is actually drawn-up?
> >
> >Bennett D. Kottler
> >Cornell University
> >Dept. of Soil, Crops, and Atmosphere Sciences
> >706 Bradfield Hall
>
> The New York City Board of Education has just published a revised
> "Science Safety Manual, Grades 9-12" To find out how to obtain a copy
> contact Carl Raab at Beach Channel High School, Queens, NY (718)474-5791
> or FAX 718 474 5878.
>
> Herb Gottlieb from New York City
> (Where there are lots of knowledgeable teachers and organizations that
> can provide evaluations of science curricula)
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:46:29 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Lab Safety Books
What books would you recommend as part of a CHO's
reference library? Let's compile a bibliography. ... jim
===================================
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:48:18 -0500
From: "Herbert H. Gottlieb" <herbgottlieb@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Assessing Lab Safety
On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 16:40:36 -0500 SLYPIG <SLYPIG@PRODIGY.NET> writes:
>Carl Raab is very good at what he does. While I'm not presently in
>possession of the revisions of NYC's latest Lab-safety manual, will
>someone who is please inform me whether or not he included any kind of
caveat
>on the use of phenols, ethidium bromide and radioactive oligonucleotides
>by developing lab participants?
>John Cunningham
>
I just checked the book and did not find any specific references to the
chemicals you listed above. Please clarify what you mean by the phrase
"developing lab participants".
Herb Gottlieb
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:04:39 -0500
From: "Benedict, Kathryn" <BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM>
Subject: Re: Lab Safety Books
Content-Type: text/plain
The Merk Index, Prudent Practices in the Laboratory and the Aldrich
catalog all sit within arm's reach on my desk. I use them frequently.
Kathy Benedict
Parke-Davis
Ann Arbor
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Kaufman [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM]
> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 6:46 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Lab Safety Books
>
> What books would you recommend as part of a CHO's
> reference library? Let's compile a bibliography. ... jim
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:03:36 -0500
From: Winnie Sell - Chemistry <sell@HAL.MUHLBERG.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lab Safety Books
In-Reply-To: <384f3e63.34e77f17@aol.com> from "Jim Kaufman" at Feb 15,
98 06:46:29 pm
Greetings to all on a Monday Morning,
In addition I would recommend having access to CFR 29 part 1910;
appropriate copies of NFPA standards,
NFPA 30 - flammables and combustible liquids
NFPA 45 - fire protection for laboratories using chemicals
NFPA 49 - hazardous chemicals data
NFPA 101 - life safety
and any others which specifically apply to your facility; copies of
appropriate ANSI standards, eyewear, material safety data sheet
preparation, etc.; Biosafety in the Laboratory - Prudent Practices for
the Handling and Disposal of Infectious Wastes from the NRC; and I'm
personally fond of Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary for answers to
questions like What am I supposed to do with this canning jar marked
litharge and what the heck is logwood extract?
What? You say you still have some money left in your book budget? Well
then there's also Bretherick's Handbook of Reactive Chemical Hazards and
and the Registry of Toxic Effects from NIOSH.
Winnie Sell
Muhlenberg College
sell@muhlberg.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:13:12 -0600
From: Robert Murphy <murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Glove Selection for labs
For our PPE program, we are looking at glove selection for laboratory
workers. Does anyone have and use systematic selection method or process
for the selection of gloves for the wide variety of chemicals that the
employee would come into contact with in a laboratory?
Hope you can help.
Bob
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:33:01 -0500
From: "Luffman, James (CRD)" <luffman@EXC01CRDGE.CRD.GE.COM>
Subject: Chemical Pack and Ship Software
Hi Folks!
I'm looking for a program for proper packing and shipping of chemicals
(hazardous & non hazardous).
I believe the major vendors have a set up in their warehouses;
whereby, the shipper can request the procedures for packing just about
any chemical in existence. I think there are programs that list all
procedures and proper labeling on screen. Also, up dates can be added
as regulations change.
Currently, we refer to the books for proper pack & ship procedures.
With all the details and stiff penalties involved it may be a wise
investment for us to purchase a software package. If anyone has
knowledge of a system for pack and ship following federal and
international regulations, please let me know.
Thanks,
Jim Luffman
GE CRD
Luffman@CRD.GE.COM
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:42:20 -0700
From: John Delahunt <Jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lab Safety Books
Content-type: text/plain
> What books would you recommend as part of a CHO's
> reference library? Let's compile a bibliography. ... jim
>
Here's my list:
49 CFR 100-199, 29 CFR 1910 and 1926, 40 CFR 260-299, Merck Index,
Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary, the 1994 Uniform Fire Code (vols
1 and 2), the Campus Safety Health & Environmental Management
Association's membership directory, the Radiological Health Handbook,
National Safety Council's Accident Facts (1989-1996), the Fisher Safety
catalog, NFPA 491M-1991 (Hazardous Chemcial Reactions), NFPA 30-1996
(Flammable and Combustible Liquids Code), NFPA 49-1975 (Hazardous
Chemicals Data), NFPA 45-1991 (Fire Protection for laboratories Using
Chemcials), NFPA 407-1985 (Identification of the Fire Hazards of
Materials), McMurray's Organic Chemistry text, Webster's dictionary,
Roget's thesaurus, the 1993 Emergency Response Guidebook (DOT response
to hazmat incidents). That's what's on my desk, left to right.
Of note on my bookshelf and in my lab, I have:
Prudent Practices in the Laboratory (1995), Laboratory Control and
Safety Solutions Application Guide (Landis & Gyr Powers, 1993),
Hazardous Chemicals Information and Disposal Guide 3rd ed (Armour,
Browne & Wier -- the bible for sane treatment of hazardous wastes from
labs), CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, a recent General Chemistry
textbook, Pipitone's Safet Storage of Laboratry Chemicals, and (my
recent prized acquisition) Treadwell and Hall's Analytical Chemistry,
2nd ed, Qualitative and Quantitative Analysis (J. Wiley & Sons, 1903).
I have a lot of other stuff, too, about asbestos, risk management,
radiation, undergrouns storage tanks, etc, but most of that had not to
do with lab safety.
John
John DeLaHunt, EH&S Manager
The Colorado College
1125 Glen Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719)389-6678 vox
(719)389-6981 fax
jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:16:11 PST8PDT
From: Debbie Decker <DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Lab Safety Books
Jim said:
<What books would you recommend as part of a CHO's
reference library? Let's compile a bibliography. ... jim>
A few favorites:
Academic Laboratory Chemical Hazards Guidebook
and
Fundamentals of Laboratory Safety
both by William J. Mahn, Van Nostrand Reinhold Publishing
Prudent Practices in the Laboratory
Published by National Academic Press
Bretherick's Handbook of Reactive Chemical Hazards
Merck Index
CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety
Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials (7th Edition)
by Sax and Lewis, Van Nostrand Reinhold Publishing
I think that about covers my bookshelf. :-)
Cheers,
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:58:35 -0500
From: Janeen LaPierre <JLaPierre@MAILBOX.UNE.EDU>
Subject: Glove Selection for labs -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
I have found that glove selection in a teaching lab often is as simple as what gloves the
students happen to find first. For that reason, we use the .7ml (I think) Nitrile gloves
in general. They have replaced latex for two reasons: Latex sensitivities and Nitrile
offers a much broader range of protection while remaining comfortable to use. When
assessing new research proposals and student project, I determine if these gloves are
adequate or not by referring to the Best Glove glove chart.
For what it's worth,
Janeen
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:32:17 -0600
From: Susan Lauterbach <sklauterbach@CHEMDEPT.CHEM.UOKNOR.EDU>
Subject: Re: Glove Selection for labs
In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19980216090540.32072cd0@mailbox.bgsu.edu>
We will be replacing latex for the disposable nitrile gloves in our
teaching labs as well for the same reasons. There is an increase in cost
(3X) and hopefully that will decrease the longer they are out on the market.
Susan Lauterbach
Coordinator of Laboratory and Safety Facilities
At 08:13 AM 2/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>For our PPE program, we are looking at glove selection for laboratory
>workers. Does anyone have and use systematic selection method or process
>for the selection of gloves for the wide variety of chemicals that the
>employee would come into contact with in a laboratory?
>
>Hope you can help.
>Bob
>
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 11:16:04 -0500
From: "Benedict, Kathryn" <BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM>
Subject: Re: Glove Selection for labs
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Bob,
Attached is an Glove Use / Chemical Compatibility chart to assist in
selecting appropriate gloves for laboratory scientists. I put this
together last year. All the information regarding compatibility was
taken from chemical resistance guidelines from the manufacturer's of the
gloves we use. The information given varies by manufacturer, so I'd
suggest you make something like this up that is specific for the gloves
your site supplies. We also keep copies of the manufacturer's chemical
compatibility charts in our storeroom with the gloves.
Let me know what you think. Please give me comments, constructive
criticism.
Kathy Benedict
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Murphy [SMTP:murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU]
> Sent: Monday, February 16, 1998 9:13 AM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Glove Selection for labs
>
> For our PPE program, we are looking at glove selection for laboratory
> workers. Does anyone have and use systematic selection method or
> process
> for the selection of gloves for the wide variety of chemicals that the
> employee would come into contact with in a laboratory?
>
> Hope you can help.
> Bob
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:45:19 -0500
From: Jerry Gordon <jpgordon@BINGHAMTON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Glove Selection for labs
At 11:32 AM 2/16/1998 -0600, you wrote:
>We will be replacing latex for the disposable nitrile gloves in our
>teaching labs as well for the same reasons. There is an increase in cost
>(3X) and hopefully that will decrease the longer they are out on the market.
>
>Susan Lauterbach
>Coordinator of Laboratory and Safety Facilities
Susan,
Check out Dival Safety Equipment, Inc
(716) 874-9060
They carry Best N-Dex disposable Nitrile gloves at a price that is
comparable to the cost of latex.
Hope this helps,
Jerry Gordon, CHMM
Hazardous Waste Manager
Binghamton University
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:26:56 -0500
From: Donald Conner <dcon@VT.EDU>
Subject: Decommissioning of perchloric hoods
Hello all,
I am currently involved in an issue I know to be fraught with peril, the
decommissioning of a laboratory perchloric fume hood. The last time we at
EHSS had this job to do, it was necessary. There were obvious perchlorate
crystals all over the place, due to hood malfunction, so we brought in the
professionals, who cost us a little more than $5000 in 1993.
My question is, with no driving regs to demand that this hood be removed,
and no obvious problems with perchlorate formation, AND given that the hood
is nearly 30 years old and absolutely nobody wants it... Would you remove
the hood, or make a nicely bricked in corner piece (smile) and leave the
thing there for posterity.
This is a case of one (university) laboratory moving out, and a computer lab
moving in - but everyone is in the same department, and nobody wants to foot
the bill to remove the hood.
Any takers?
Donald E. Conner, Jr.
University CHO, Virginia Tech
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:26:24 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Chemical Pack and Ship Software
One of the best sources of information about the shipping of
chemicals is J.J.Keller in Neenah, WI.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:45:33 +0800
To: Labsafe@aol.com
From: Ed van den Berg <edberg@durian.usc.edu.ph>
Subject: Re: NACHO INTRO
In-Reply-To: <9aac262a.34e81466@aol.com>
Jim,
I assume you know about the CLEAPPS organization
in UK which has a couple of useful binders with
materials on lab safety, mostly for secondary
education.
ed van den berg
Ed van den Berg
University of San Carlos
Talamban Campus
Cebu City 6000
Philippines
E-mail: edberg@durian.usc.edu.ph
Fax: 63 - 32 - 346 4614
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:26:22 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Glove Selection for labs
There's a software program for glove selection called glovES.
It's published by Instant Reference Software by Larry Keith.
Maybe someone out there has some experience with the
current version or can forward this to Larry for more info.
============================================================
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:05:13 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Decommissioning of perchloric hoods
I remember seeing a chapter on perchloric acid hood in one
of the editions of the Handbook of Lab Safety. I think there's
some decommissioning advice there.
============================================================
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:12:39 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: NACHO Meeting Locations
NACHO Members,
LS&EM'98 in Raleigh-Durham (June 22-25) seemed like the
natural place to try our first meeting. The conference has been
great the last few years and really focuses on lab safety/cho
kinds of issues.
LSI has been offering a one-day lab safety seminar on the
monday of the conference and Russ/George/Jim have been
doing our "How to be a more effective CHO" course on the
thursday. Often, the NRCC CHO exam is given in the
evening following the prep course.
For more information about LS&EM'98, contact Dawn Johnson
at Prizimnet@aol.com.
Question - where else besides at LS&EM do you think might be
good places for NACHO to meet?
Is it possible to have a professional association which meets only
here in space at LABSAFETY-L?
============================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:14:55 -0500
From: Linda Morin <morin@CBL.UMCES.EDU>
Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 15 Feb 1998 to 16 Feb 1998
Bob,
Go to Best Manufacturing's (Best Gloves) web site and download a copy of their glove
selection software; it's free and very useful for chemicals commonly found in
laboratories. Their web site is: http://www.bestglove.com/
It's one of the tools I use in selecting gloves. Note that the information is specific for
Best's gloves.
Automatic digest processor wrote:
> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:13:12 -0600
> From: Robert Murphy <murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU>
> Subject: Glove Selection for labs
>
> For our PPE program, we are looking at glove selection for laboratory
> workers. Does anyone have and use systematic selection method or process
> for the selection of gloves for the wide variety of chemicals that the
> employee would come into contact with in a laboratory?
>
> Hope you can help.
> Bob
>
> ------------------------------
Linda
Linda Grant Morin
UMCES-CBL email: morin@cbl.umces.edu
P.O. Box 38 Voice:(410)-326-7253
Solomons, MD 20688-0038 Fax: (410)-326-7349
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:40:41 -0500
From: Linda Morin <morin@CBL.UMCES.EDU>
Subject: Re: LABSAFETY-L Digest - 15 Feb 1998 to 16 Feb 1998
In addition to the valuable references already listed, I like the tome edited by Jay
Young, "Improving Safety in the Chemical Laboratory: A Practical Guide" 2nd ed.,
John Wiley and Sons, Inc.. Additionally, Marc Lefevre's "First Aid Manual for
Chemical Accidents" 2nd ed., Van Nostrand Reinhold and Leslie Bretherick's
"Hazards in the Chemical Laboratory", 4th ed., The Royal Society of Chemistry
are also great references to have within easy reach.
And for those of you who are peripherally involved in designing new laboratory facilities
or buildings or or simply renovationing existing facilities "Guidelines for
Laboratory Design: Health and Safety Considerations" 2nd ed., by L. J. DiBerardinis,
J.S. Baum, M.W. First, G.T. Gatwood, E.F. Groden and A.K. Seth, is a great reference as
well.
Linda
Automatic digest processor wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Kaufman [SMTP:Labsafe@AOL.COM]
> > Sent: Sunday, February 15, 1998 6:46 PM
> > To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> > Subject: Lab Safety Books
> >
> > What books would you recommend as part of a CHO's
> > reference library? Let's compile a bibliography. ... jim
> >
Linda Grant Morin
UMCES-CBL email: morin@cbl.umces.edu
P.O. Box 38 Voice:(410)-326-7253
Solomons, MD 20688-0038 Fax: (410)-326-7349
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:05:19 -0500
From: Donald Conner <dcon@VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: Decommissioning of perchloric hoods
Sorry if this is a repeat, but I don't think the original made the list...
Hello all,
I am currently involved in an issue I know to be fraught with peril, the
decommissioning of a laboratory perchloric fume hood. The last time we at
EHSS had this job to do there were obvious perchlorate crystals all over the
place, due to hood malfunction, so we brought in the professionals, who cost
us a little more than $5000 in 199?.
My question is, with no driving regs to demand that this hood be removed,
and no obvious problems with perchlorate formation, AND given that the hood
is nearly 30 years old and absolutely nobody wants it... Would you remove
the hood, or make a nicely bricked in corner piece (smile) and leave the
thing there for posterity.
This is a case of one (university) laboratory moving out, and a computer lab
moving in - but everyone is in the same department, and nobody wants to foot
the bill to remove the hood.
Any takers?
Donald E. Conner, Jr.
University CHO, Virginia Tech
Donald E. Conner, Jr.
University Chemical Hygiene Officer
Virginia Tech Environmental Health and Safety Services
Mail stop # 0423
Blacksburg, VA 24061
Phone (540)231-7611 Fax: (540)231-3944
Email: dcon@vt.edu
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:11:08 -0500
From: Donald Conner <dcon@VT.EDU>
Subject: Re: NACHO Meeting Locations
I've asked this question before, on the Safety listserve. Are there any
texts, or other study guides which you Certified CHO's can recommend for
those of us who plan to test during the LS&EM conference this June?
Thanks in advance...
Also, what does one need to do to become a NACHO member?
Donald Conner
University CHO, Virginia Tech
At 10:12 PM 2/16/98 EST, you wrote:
>NACHO Members,
>
>LS&EM'98 in Raleigh-Durham (June 22-25) seemed like the
>natural place to try our first meeting. The conference has been
>great the last few years and really focuses on lab safety/cho
>kinds of issues.
>
>LSI has been offering a one-day lab safety seminar on the
>monday of the conference and Russ/George/Jim have been
>doing our "How to be a more effective CHO" course on the
>thursday. Often, the NRCC CHO exam is given in the
>evening following the prep course.
>
>For more information about LS&EM'98, contact Dawn Johnson
>at Prizimnet@aol.com.
>
>Question - where else besides at LS&EM do you think might be
>good places for NACHO to meet?
>
>Is it possible to have a professional association which meets only
>here in space at LABSAFETY-L?
>
Donald E. Conner, Jr.
University Chemical Hygiene Officer
Virginia Tech Environmental Health and Safety Services
Mail stop # 0423
Blacksburg, VA 24061
Phone (540)231-7611 Fax: (540)231-3944
Email: dcon@vt.edu
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:17:10 EST
Reply-To: kflaniga@bangate.fda.gov
From: "Karen W. Flanigan" <kflaniga@BANGATE.FDA.GOV>
Subject: Re: Decommissioning of perchloric hoods
Don:
It would be prudent to have the fume hood, fan, and fan housing sampled for
the presence of perchloric acid prior to dismantling or abandoning in place.
We are currently decommissioning several labs and and the established
clearance level (level considered to be free of the presence of perchlorate
contamination) is 1.25 mg/ft2 measured by the ion specific electrode method
(see Oak Ridge National Laboratory evaluation in Appl.Occup. Environ.
Hyg.9(7) July 1994, pp 503 to509) A system which tests at the
concentration of 6.25 mg/ft2 is considered to be contaminated with
perchlorates and at risk for explosion if disturbed. Concentrations between
these two levels are considered suspect and may have pockets of perchlorate
crystals.
One of the problems with abandoning in place is the risk of disturbance long
after anyone remembers what the potential hazards are.
Karen Flanigan CIH, CSP
Industrial Hygienist
FDA Safety Staff
5600 Fishers Lane, HF-34, Rockville, MD 20857
E-mail: KFlaniga@OC.FDA.Gov
phone(301)827-1014 fax(301)827-1018
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:29:20 -0700
From: Shelly Havlovick <shelly.havlovick@ANLW.ANL.GOV>
Subject: Re: Decommissioning of perchloric hoods
By leaving the hood in place you have a potential bomb and continued use of
the hood may occur. I would consult with GFS Chemical company a maker of
perchloric acid and an expert in the handling of the material. They have
complete and thorough procedures for the decommissioning of a hood. Phone
no. 1-800-858-9682, Michael Taylor. He was very helpful.
Shelly Havlovick
shelly.havlovick@anl.gov
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Conner [SMTP:dcon@VT.EDU]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 1998 1:27 PM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Decommissioning of perchloric hoods
Hello all,
I am currently involved in an issue I know to be fraught with peril, the
decommissioning of a laboratory perchloric fume hood. The last time we at
EHSS had this job to do, it was necessary. There were obvious perchlorate
crystals all over the place, due to hood malfunction, so we brought in the
professionals, who cost us a little more than $5000 in 1993.
My question is, with no driving regs to demand that this hood be removed,
and no obvious problems with perchlorate formation, AND given that the hood
is nearly 30 years old and absolutely nobody wants it... Would you remove
the hood, or make a nicely bricked in corner piece (smile) and leave the
thing there for posterity.
This is a case of one (university) laboratory moving out, and a computer
lab moving in - but everyone is in the same department, and nobody wants to
foot the bill to remove the hood.
Any takers?
Donald E. Conner, Jr.
University CHO, Virginia Tech
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:40:10 EST
From: Gilbert Smith <NRCC6@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: NACHO Meeting Locations
NRCC provides in its CHO application packet A Partial Reference Study Guide
for use in preparing for CHEMICAL HYGIENE EXAM
Gilbert Smith
NRCC6@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/nrcc6/nrcc.htm
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:26:50 -0500
Reply-To: deputyn@emu.edu
Comments: Authenticated sender is <deputyn@inserv1.emu.edu>
From: Nancy Deputy <deputyn@EMU.EDU>
Organization: Eastern Mennonite University
Subject: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
I am working on a Chemical Inventory/ Waste Management Plan. Also, I
have been researching the requirements of the Hazardous Communication
Plan and the Laboratory Safety Standard. I have questions as to the
best approach to sum up the different requirements.
Haz. Communication Stand. is more for non-lab employees and requires
each container of haz. material to have the proper label and MSDS.
The Lab Stand. is for lab personnel. It states that lab personnel
should ensure that a chemical received should have the proper
labeling and to Maintain the MSDS.
1)Are these the only differences?
2) The Lab Stand is also for work-students right? Would Regular
students would follow the Haz. Communication Stand?
I want to make sure of the differences in my report. Please respond.
Thanks,
Nancy
Chemical Hygiene Officer
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:29:00 -0600
From: "Lesky, John" <jrlesky@CORP.OLIN.COM>
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
Your questions bring up another question that I have...
1) Can the Lab Standard apply to an entire facility or only the specific
labs? -- For instance, are maintenance and janitorial chemicals covered by
the Lab Std. if they would fall under Hazard Communication in a production
facility? What about a stockroom?
2) While the Lab Std. would apply to an R&D chemist working in his/her own
lab (let's say an epoxy research lab), would it still apply if that person
had to go into other labs (let's say an isocyanate lab)? As I understood
it, one of the reasons for the Lab Std. was that lab people were very
familiar with their own chemicals so they could have a relaxed labeling
system. A lab person may not be familiar at all with the chemicals unique
to another branch of chemistry.
TIA,
John Lesky
Safety/Environmental Manager
jrlesky@corp.olin.com
............................................................................
========================================================================
From: Nancy Deputy
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 11:26AM
I am working on a Chemical Inventory/ Waste Management Plan. Also, I
have been researching the requirements of the Hazardous Communication
Plan and the Laboratory Safety Standard. I have questions as to the
best approach to sum up the different requirements.
Haz. Communication Stand. is more for non-lab employees and requires
each container of haz. material to have the proper label and MSDS.
The Lab Stand. is for lab personnel. It states that lab personnel
should ensure that a chemical received should have the proper
labeling and to Maintain the MSDS.
1)Are these the only differences?
2) The Lab Stand is also for work-students right? Would Regular
students would follow the Haz. Communication Stand?
I want to make sure of the differences in my report. Please respond.
Thanks,
Nancy
Chemical Hygiene Officer
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:08:58 -0700
From: John Delahunt <Jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
Content-type: text/plain
> I am working on a Chemical Inventory/ Waste Management Plan. Also, I
> have been researching the requirements of the Hazardous Communication
> Plan and the Laboratory Safety Standard. I have questions as to the
> best approach to sum up the different requirements.
>
> Haz. Communication Stand. is more for non-lab employees and requires
> each container of haz. material to have the proper label and MSDS.
>
> The Lab Stand. is for lab personnel. It states that lab personnel
> should ensure that a chemical received should have the proper
> labeling and to Maintain the MSDS.
>
> 1)Are these the only differences?
> 2) The Lab Stand is also for work-students right? Would Regular
> students would follow the Haz. Communication Stand?
>
Any OSHA standard (federally applied) is for employees. States _may_
have extended protections of occupational safety regulations to
students, but I would be sure to confirm coverage of students before
presenting to a muckety about it.
The lab standard is exclusive of HazCom. An operation is supposed to
have one or the other -- not both, depending on the employee.
For my part, I take laboratory operations as Lab Standard issues, and
maintenance in labs as a HazCom issue (since it's maintenance, not lab
ops), and, essentially, designate coverage by employee type -- lab
workers get Lab Std, maintenance workers get HazCom.
In terms of programmatical differences, each standard requires a written
program, but the written program for hazcom is supposed to address how
MSDS and labels will be acquired, stored, checked, used, etc. Lab
Standard bases most of its written program objectives on standdard
operating procedures and training on how to find the hazards of a
material, as opposed to how to read an MSDS.
I would compare and contrast the scope and application sections, as well
as the requirements of the written programs sections, of the two regs
before undertaking a presentation to mucketies, because the differences
are more in how one covers the appropriate points, not what the
appropriate points are.
Hope this helps.
John
John DeLaHunt, EH&S Manager
The Colorado College
1125 Glen Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719)389-6678 vox
(719)389-6981 fax
jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:18 -0600
From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
At 12:26 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I am working on a Chemical Inventory/ Waste Management Plan. Also, I
>have been researching the requirements of the Hazardous Communication
>Plan and the Laboratory Safety Standard. I have questions as to the
>best approach to sum up the different requirements.
>
>Haz. Communication Stand. is more for non-lab employees and requires
>each container of haz. material to have the proper label and MSDS.
>
>The Lab Stand. is for lab personnel. It states that lab personnel
>should ensure that a chemical received should have the proper
>labeling and to Maintain the MSDS.
>
>1)Are these the only differences?
>2) The Lab Stand is also for work-students right? Would Regular
>students would follow the Haz. Communication Stand?
>
>I want to make sure of the differences in my report. Please respond.
>Thanks,
>Nancy
>Chemical Hygiene Officer
There are some BIG differences in the two standards, Nancy. The Lab
Standard is primiarily for lab workers, or people who would be resonably
expected to be in a laboratory. Chemical storeroom workers in a laboratory
would most likely be covered under the lab standard rather than haz-com, in
my opinion, of course. A campus landscaper mixing his new "weed-be-gone"
formula for testing would not be covered under the lab standard.
There are several instances where Haz Com and the Lab standard differ. One
of the big areas is in training. While Haz Com requires training on
specific chemicals, the lab standard allows the CHO to boradly categorize
the training. (ie: the training on "acids" can cover all the acids found in
your lab under the lab standard, while under haz com, each individual acid
would have to be covered. That is the way I read it, but I may be wrong
and someone can chime in to fix me.) I am painting with a broad brush
here, not mentioning things like PEL's and the like, but I want to keep it
brief.
Another of the BIG issues is WHO is covered by what standard? The Lab
standard is VERY SPECIFIC about who is covered under the standard, the
definition of a laboratory and some specific requirements pertaining to
chemical hygiene in general. It is best to say that if a worker does not
meet the criteria set forth under the lab or if the "lab" does not meet the
very specific conditions of an OSHA defined "lab" then Haz Com will take
over. However, ONE STANDARD OR THE OTHER MUST cover all workers in the
facility.
Labeling issues still abound. The lab standard lets lab workers relax them
a little by only stating that "incoming labels are not to be defaced" or
some such wording. However, as a chemist, I can pour out of a properly
marked bottle into an unmarked beaker and use it all day without violating
the letter of the standard. Stupid, yes, but it can be done. There is
some interpretive guidance on labeling out there, but that is the jist of
the it. (ie. like single user of the chemical, must be properly disposed
of by the end of the shift...things like that.)
If you want, you can call me at 217-786-6225 before 3:30 central time and
we can chat about it. Also, you can look up the haz com standard
(29CFR1910.1200) and compare it with the lab standard (29CFR1910.1450) and
make the comparisons yourself (my personal recommendation). The bottom
line, in my opinion is:
The lab standard relaxes some of the more objectionable requirements of haz
com so a chemist can do his/her work more efficiently. It does this by
recognizing that chemists are probably more highly trainied in the use of
hazardous chemicals of their profession than the "average" worker.
Good luck. I hope your report isn't due anytime soon.
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D.
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
"Payback's a bitch, Ivan"
-Cancer Man, X-Files.
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:10:12 -0500
Reply-To: hboyter@cstone.net
From: "Henry Boyter Jr." <hboyter@CSTONE.NET>
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
From my experiences, I say that all of those apply, BUT. The janitorial
people fall under HAZCOM, but are addressed in the lab standard program for
the facility. Similarly, lab visitors to another lab they don't work in
would be VISITORS to that lab under the lab standard, but would be trained
under their standard to be visitors. If the visit is work related, I would
have only one lab standard program for the combined labs. If they are true
visitors, Why are they there? Have visiting moved somewhere else.
Dr. Henry Boyter, Jr. Ph.D. Chemist
The opinions of Dr. Boyter are provided for informational purposes only and
should not be used as advice. No warranty or expression of professionalism
is implied.
----------
From: Lesky, John <jrlesky@CORP.OLIN.COM>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 1:29 PM
Your questions bring up another question that I have...
1) Can the Lab Standard apply to an entire facility or only the specific
labs? -- For instance, are maintenance and janitorial chemicals covered by
the Lab Std. if they would fall under Hazard Communication in a production
facility? What about a stockroom?
2) While the Lab Std. would apply to an R&D chemist working in his/her own
lab (let's say an epoxy research lab), would it still apply if that person
had to go into other labs (let's say an isocyanate lab)? As I understood
it, one of the reasons for the Lab Std. was that lab people were very
familiar with their own chemicals so they could have a relaxed labeling
system. A lab person may not be familiar at all with the chemicals unique
to another branch of chemistry.
TIA,
John Lesky
Safety/Environmental Manager
jrlesky@corp.olin.com
========================================================================
From: Nancy Deputy
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 11:26AM
I am working on a Chemical Inventory/ Waste Management Plan. Also, I
have been researching the requirements of the Hazardous Communication
Plan and the Laboratory Safety Standard. I have questions as to the
best approach to sum up the different requirements.
Haz. Communication Stand. is more for non-lab employees and requires
each container of haz. material to have the proper label and MSDS.
The Lab Stand. is for lab personnel. It states that lab personnel
should ensure that a chemical received should have the proper
labeling and to Maintain the MSDS.
1)Are these the only differences?
2) The Lab Stand is also for work-students right? Would Regular
students would follow the Haz. Communication Stand?
I want to make sure of the differences in my report. Please respond.
Thanks,
Nancy
Chemical Hygiene Officer
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:29:47 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: glove chart
here is our lastest version of a glove reference chart, if you find any
mistakes please let me know, it is for our new lab safety manual and is not
at the printer yet. If you can think of any chemical most likely to be used
in a lab, let me know and we can add them :) all input appreciated
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:35:08 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: glove chart references
sorry, I think I didn't include my references and key for the glove =
chart , hope this clears up any questions.
Glove Chart Information
performance rating weight change
EXCELLENT 0-10%=20
GOOD 11-20%
FAIR 21-30
POOR OVER 30%
penetration times
E=3D 8 hours or more
G=3D 6 hours or more
F=3D less than 6 hours
P=3D minutes
NT=3D not tested
NR=3D not rated
ND=3D not detected
ID=3D insufficient data, either conflicting or not =
available
references
MAPA Professional
Fisher Scientific
Lab Safety Supply
Direct Safety Catalog
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:42:59 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: whose covered by what
for our purposes work study students are indirectly employees..so are
post-docs anyone who receives a paycheck is covered by Haz. com and Lab std,
(they are considered employees)....depending on their work environment you
would apply the appropriate standard.
undergrad students are not covered by lab standard, or haz. com because they
are not employees ...they are taught through their courses ( a different set
of rules appy there)
any comments on that??
-----Original Message-----
From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 3:47 PM
>At 12:26 PM 2/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I am working on a Chemical Inventory/ Waste Management Plan. Also, I
>>have been researching the requirements of the Hazardous Communication
>>Plan and the Laboratory Safety Standard. I have questions as to the
>>best approach to sum up the different requirements.
>>
>>Haz. Communication Stand. is more for non-lab employees and requires
>>each container of haz. material to have the proper label and MSDS.
>>
>>The Lab Stand. is for lab personnel. It states that lab personnel
>>should ensure that a chemical received should have the proper
>>labeling and to Maintain the MSDS.
>>
>>1)Are these the only differences?
>>2) The Lab Stand is also for work-students right? Would Regular
>>students would follow the Haz. Communication Stand?
>>
>>I want to make sure of the differences in my report. Please respond.
>>Thanks,
>>Nancy
>>Chemical Hygiene Officer
>
>There are some BIG differences in the two standards, Nancy. The Lab
>Standard is primiarily for lab workers, or people who would be resonably
>expected to be in a laboratory. Chemical storeroom workers in a laboratory
>would most likely be covered under the lab standard rather than haz-com, in
>my opinion, of course. A campus landscaper mixing his new "weed-be-gone"
>formula for testing would not be covered under the lab standard.
>
>There are several instances where Haz Com and the Lab standard differ. One
>of the big areas is in training. While Haz Com requires training on
>specific chemicals, the lab standard allows the CHO to boradly categorize
>the training. (ie: the training on "acids" can cover all the acids found in
>your lab under the lab standard, while under haz com, each individual acid
>would have to be covered. That is the way I read it, but I may be wrong
>and someone can chime in to fix me.) I am painting with a broad brush
>here, not mentioning things like PEL's and the like, but I want to keep it
>brief.
>
>Another of the BIG issues is WHO is covered by what standard? The Lab
>standard is VERY SPECIFIC about who is covered under the standard, the
>definition of a laboratory and some specific requirements pertaining to
>chemical hygiene in general. It is best to say that if a worker does not
>meet the criteria set forth under the lab or if the "lab" does not meet the
>very specific conditions of an OSHA defined "lab" then Haz Com will take
>over. However, ONE STANDARD OR THE OTHER MUST cover all workers in the
>facility.
>
>Labeling issues still abound. The lab standard lets lab workers relax them
>a little by only stating that "incoming labels are not to be defaced" or
>some such wording. However, as a chemist, I can pour out of a properly
>marked bottle into an unmarked beaker and use it all day without violating
>the letter of the standard. Stupid, yes, but it can be done. There is
>some interpretive guidance on labeling out there, but that is the jist of
>the it. (ie. like single user of the chemical, must be properly disposed
>of by the end of the shift...things like that.)
>
>If you want, you can call me at 217-786-6225 before 3:30 central time and
>we can chat about it. Also, you can look up the haz com standard
>(29CFR1910.1200) and compare it with the lab standard (29CFR1910.1450) and
>make the comparisons yourself (my personal recommendation). The bottom
>line, in my opinion is:
>
>The lab standard relaxes some of the more objectionable requirements of haz
>com so a chemist can do his/her work more efficiently. It does this by
>recognizing that chemists are probably more highly trainied in the use of
>hazardous chemicals of their profession than the "average" worker.
>
>Good luck. I hope your report isn't due anytime soon.
>
>Harry
>
>
>Harry J. Elston, Ph.D.
>Chemical Hygiene Officer
>Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
>Opinions are mine, not my employer's, blah, blah, blah
>
>"Payback's a bitch, Ivan"
> -Cancer Man, X-Files.
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:13:27 PST8PDT
From: Debbie Decker <DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Fume Hood Video
Good morning all:
Does anyone out there have a recommendation for a video for fume
hood use? Specifically, I need to convince researchers that the
fume hood operates most efficiently with the sash pulled down to the
stop (typically, 18"). What I have in mind is billows of smoke
coming out of a hood with the sash up. Demonstration with a smoke
pencil is not practical in this situation, but a picture (video) can
be worth a thousand words.
Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:36:08 EST
From: Rhonda O'Keefe <rhonda_okeefe@CAMBNEURO.COM>
Subject: Re: Fume Hood Video
If memory serves me correctly, the Howard Hughes video, Practicing Safe Science,
has a pretty good demo of a dry-ice/ethanol bath in a hood. Even if not, it's
free and it's a great video, well accepted by scientists. I believe you can get
a copy of this or the other Howard Hughes lab safety videos (Set One=
Radionuclide Hazards, Chemical Hazards and Emergency Response, Set Two=
Centrifugation Hazards, Chemical Storage Hazards, and Glassware Washing Hazards,
and Set Three=Mammalian Cell Culture Hazards, X-Ray Diffraction Hazards, and
Assessing Risks of Toxic Chemicals) by writing to HHMI at the address below and
specifying what you will be using the tape for.
Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Office of Laboratory Safety
4000 Jones Bridge Road
Chevy Chase, MD 20815-6789
Hope this helps! -Rhonda
Rhonda O'Keefe
Manager, Operations
Cambridge NeuroScience, Inc.
rhonda_okeefe@cambneuro.com
The following is an attached File item from cc:Mail. It contains
information that had to be encoded to ensure successful transmission
through various mail systems. To decode the file use the UUDECODE
program.
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:08:45 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fume Hood Video
I can confirm that the hood demo is in the howard hughes practicing safe
science video
-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Decker <DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 1:25 PM
Subject: Fume Hood Video
>Good morning all:
>
>Does anyone out there have a recommendation for a video for fume
>hood use? Specifically, I need to convince researchers that the
>fume hood operates most efficiently with the sash pulled down to the
>stop (typically, 18"). What I have in mind is billows of smoke
>coming out of a hood with the sash up. Demonstration with a smoke
>pencil is not practical in this situation, but a picture (video) can
>be worth a thousand words.
>
>Thanking you in advance.
>
>Regards,
>
>Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
>Environmental Health & Safety
>CSU, Sacramento
>6000 J St.
>Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
>Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
>ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:23:47 -0600
From: Erik Talley <erik@CEHS.SIU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fume Hood Video
Content-Type: text/plain
Hi Debbie:
If you want lots of smoke try the "Lab Hood Safety" video from
Industrial Training Systems Corporation. It's a great video for hood
safety. I see an equipment inventory sticker on it though, so it
probably costs over $100. I really recommend all HHMI videos too.
Industrial Training Systems Company
9 East Stow Road
800-727-2487
Erik
Erik Talley, Assistant Director
Center for Environmental Health & Safety
Southern Illinois University
erik@cehs.siu.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: Debbie Decker [mailto:DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 1998 3:13 AM
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
Subject: Fume Hood Video
Good morning all:
Does anyone out there have a recommendation for a video for fume
hood use? Specifically, I need to convince researchers that the
fume hood operates most efficiently with the sash pulled down to the
stop (typically, 18"). What I have in mind is billows of smoke
coming out of a hood with the sash up. Demonstration with a smoke
pencil is not practical in this situation, but a picture (video) can
be worth a thousand words.
Thanking you in advance.
Regards,
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:31:54 -0800
From: Russel Shearer <shearerr@USFCA.EDU>
Subject: Lab Safety Books for a CHO's reference library
Jim.
1). NRC's "Prudent Practices in the Laboratory"
2). Sax's "Dangerous properties of industrial materials"
There are of course many others, but these two have been useful many times
during my 2 years on the job.
Russel Shearer
shearerr@usfca.edu
EH&S, CHO, RSO, etc........
University of San Francisco
Two Important Things To Remember For a Long and Productive Life
1. Never sweat the small stuff.
2. Everything's small stuff.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 18:28:51 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Shelley" <tjs1@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: NACHO meeting locations
In-Reply-To: <v0310280bb10d5b576d26@[128.253.92.96]>
>To: NACHO Members
>From: Jim Kaufman
>
>You saw in the announcement of the formation of the new
>association that the first public meeting would be June 25th
>from 6-9pm at LS&EM'98 in Raleigh-Durham.
The LS&EM conference is the very best and, in effect, the only
conference of its type devoted to Laboratory Safety and
Environmental Management issues. I would highly recommend
LS&EM '98 to all CHOs and other chemical safety professionals.
>Question: Do you think it would be better/worse/no effect for
>NACHO to hold its meeting in conjunction with those of other
>or on its own? Why? If better, with which groups?
I think that it is good, at lease initially, to have the NACHO meeting
in conjunction with the meetings of other organizations. I say this
because many of us are attracted to the topics addressed at these
meetings and for funding iussues. For example, I have "professional
development" funding to attend two or maybe three conferences,
trainings, etc., per year. Hence, budgetary constraints would
probably prohibt my attendace at yet another conference.
My $.02. Tom Shelley
Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University,
Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building,
Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:19:45 +1300
From: Nigel McCarter <n.mccarter@CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Subject: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
Two queries from down under:
1. Can anyone give a pointer to data on any hazards from magnetic field
produced by small transformers. I have one lab worker whose desk is next a
small transformer.
2. Can anyone know of studies of the effectiveness of training in changing
accident rates - particularly in the electrical industry if possible.
Thanks Nigel
Nigel McCarter
Safety Management and Information Services Ltd
Box 23 019 Hamilton
Phone 64 7 858 2429 Fax 64 858 2689
Mobile 025 274 8560
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:34:59 -0500
From: SLYPIG <SLYPIG@PRODIGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
Nigel:
Most research (funded, of course by the major Power concerns in the US)
points to no demonstrable biological damage via electromagnetic fields.
Check out literature by Robert Becker. I keep a gauss meter around the
house, myself; when I realized that my kid was sleeping in a high-density
zone on the other side of the wall from our fridge, I moved his bed to the
other side of his room. What the heck?
I have a relatively up-to-date bibliography on the literature, if you want
it.
--John Cunningham
President, Gauss-Busters
----------
> From: Nigel McCarter <n.mccarter@CLEAR.NET.NZ>
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
> Date: Tuesday, February 17, 1998 9:19 PM
>
> Two queries from down under:
> 1. Can anyone give a pointer to data on any hazards from magnetic field
> produced by small transformers. I have one lab worker whose desk is next
a
> small transformer.
> 2. Can anyone know of studies of the effectiveness of training in
changing
> accident rates - particularly in the electrical industry if possible.
>
> Thanks Nigel
> Nigel McCarter
> Safety Management and Information Services Ltd
> Box 23 019 Hamilton
> Phone 64 7 858 2429 Fax 64 858 2689
> Mobile 025 274 8560
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:25:46 -0500
From: "Benedict, Kathryn" <BENEDIK@WOLF.RESEARCH.AA.WL.COM>
Subject: Re: NACHO meeting locations
Content-Type: text/plain
Where is information available about the LS&EM 98 meeting?
Kathy Benedict
Parke-Davis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas J. Shelley [SMTP:tjs1@CORNELL.EDU]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 1998 6:29 PM
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: NACHO meeting locations
>
> >To: NACHO Members
> >From: Jim Kaufman
> >
> >You saw in the announcement of the formation of the new
> >association that the first public meeting would be June 25th
> >from 6-9pm at LS&EM'98 in Raleigh-Durham.
>
> The LS&EM conference is the very best and, in effect, the only
> conference of its type devoted to Laboratory Safety and
> Environmental Management issues. I would highly recommend
> LS&EM '98 to all CHOs and other chemical safety professionals.
>
> >Question: Do you think it would be better/worse/no effect for
> >NACHO to hold its meeting in conjunction with those of other
> >or on its own? Why? If better, with which groups?
>
> I think that it is good, at lease initially, to have the NACHO meeting
> in conjunction with the meetings of other organizations. I say this
> because many of us are attracted to the topics addressed at these
> meetings and for funding iussues. For example, I have "professional
> development" funding to attend two or maybe three conferences,
> trainings, etc., per year. Hence, budgetary constraints would
> probably prohibt my attendace at yet another conference.
>
> My $.02. Tom Shelley
> Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University,
> Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service
> Building,
> Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu
========================================================================
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:48:33 -0500
From: Wesley Kolar <wkolar@PS.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
***********At 03:19 PM 2/18/98 +1300, you wrote:
>Two queries from down under:
>1. Can anyone give a pointer to data on any hazards from magnetic field
>produced by small transformers. I have one lab worker whose desk is next a
>small transformer.
>2. Can anyone know of studies of the effectiveness of training in changing
>accident rates - particularly in the electrical industry if possible.
>
>Thanks Nigel
>Nigel McCarter
>Safety Management and Information Services Ltd
>Box 23 019 Hamilton
>Phone 64 7 858 2429 Fax 64 858 2689
>Mobile 025 274 8560
>
Wes Kolar
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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:44:41 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Shelley" <tjs1@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject: Re: NACHO meeting locations
Comments: cc: PRIZIMnet@aol.com
In-Reply-To: <AD5FC3253459D1118E0300805FBBC4366A792F@redfox.research.aa.wl.com>
>Where is information available about the LS&EM 98 meeting?
>Kathy Benedict
>Parke-Davis
Kathy and All--Greetings. The LS&EM '98 info is as follows (from an
earlier posting to SAFETY).
Tom
From: PRIZIMnet <PRIZIMnet@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:07:58 EST
Subject: Laboratory Safety & Environmental Management-The Conference '98
Make Your Plans Now for LS&EM '98!
LS&EM '98 is scheduled for June 22-25, 1998
at the
Sheraton Imperial Hotel and Convention Center
in Research Triangle Park, NC
This year's conference will continue to bring you the best information from
the best sources on laboratory related topics.
Conference Session Topics Include:
*Pollution Prevention
*EHS Information Management Systems
*Training Tools and Techniques
*Small Lab Issues
*EPA's Approaches to Lab EHS Issues
*New Perspectives on Lab Biosafety
*Sustainability in Laboratories
*Hazard Analysis Planning for R&D Labs
*Standards Affecting Laboratories
*Effective Management Approaches
*Clean Air Act Issues
*CHO Challenges
To obtain a personal copy of the conference registration brochure (due out the
first week of February), with detailed information on the conference agenda,
training courses, hotel facility, special events, and much more...
email us at PRIZIMnet@aol.com
with your complete mailing address.
We look forward to seeing you in RTP!
Tom Shelley, Chemical Hygiene Officer, Cornell University,
Department of Environmental Health and Safety, 125 Humphreys Service Building,
Ithaca, NY 14853. (607) 255-4288 tjs1@cornell.edu
========================================================================
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 07:22:51 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: NACHO Meeting Locations
In a message dated 98-02-17 09:13:19 EST, Donald Conner wrote:
<< Also, what does one need to do to become a NACHO member? >>
JAK: The NACHO announcement explained that ... "To become a
member or affiliate member, subscribe to LABSAFETY-L." That's it.
Membership is free. Everyone on this listserv is a member of NACHO
by virtue of having subscribed to the listserv. That's the membership
process at this time. Full membership is for those who are CHO's.
Affiliate Membership is for those who are interested in lab safety/cho/chp
issues.
As the organization grows, the members will need to decide whether it
wants to have bylaws, become incorporated, hold public meetings,
develop position papers, have other lab safety/cho/chp related activities.
============================================================
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:29:55 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: NACHO Meeting Locations
In a message dated 98-02-17 09:13:19 EST, Don Conner wrote:
<< Are there any texts, or other study guides which you Certified
CHO's can recommend for those of us who plan to test during the
LS&EM conference this June? >>
We're going to post the list of books that are being referenced here
and give the frequency with which they were mentioned.
It would be a good idea to talk to Gilbert Smith at NRCC6@aol.com
about reference materials NRCC recommends.
I would suggest (1) Prudent Practices, (2) Safety in Academic Chemistry
Labs, and (3) The Federal Register where the final rule for the Lab Standard
was published.
============================================================
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:30:17 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
In a message dated 98-02-20 00:58:16 EST, John Cunningham wrote:
<< I have a relatively up-to-date bibliography on the literature, if you want
it. --John Cunningham President, Gauss-Busters >>
JAK: Can the bibliography be posted to the list? Please tell us more
about Gauss Busters. Sound interesting.
I've stopped leaning next to the microwave while my old coffee is reheating!
============================================================
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 07:43:41 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
In a message dated 98-02-17 13:44:31 EST, John Lesky wrote:
<< 1) Can the Lab Standard apply to an entire facility or only the specific
labs? -- For instance, are maintenance and janitorial chemicals covered by
the Lab Std. if they would fall under Hazard Communication in a production
facility? What about a stockroom? >>
JAK: To the extent that an entire facility is a lab, the Lab standard could
cover it. The lab statndard was not intended for non-lab operations.
<< 2) While the Lab Std. would apply to an R&D chemist working in his/her
own lab (let's say an epoxy research lab), would it still apply if that
person
had to go into other labs (let's say an isocyanate lab)? As I understood
it, one of the reasons for the Lab Std. was that lab people were very
familiar with their own chemicals so they could have a relaxed labeling
system. A lab person may not be familiar at all with the chemicals unique
to another branch of chemistry. >>
JAK: In general, lab employees are covered by the lab standard in all of
their employer's labs. There may be different chemical hygiene plan
provisions for different labs within the facility. So, the R&D chemist
mentioned above might need to follow unique precautions in the
"isocyanate lab".
I don't view the Lab Standard as necessarily supporting a more relaxed
labeling system. For example, the lab standard does not suggest that
it's ok to not label secondary containers you use on your shift. The lab
standard asks the employer to define the standard operating procedures.
This likely should include labeling practices. How do others see this?
============================================================
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:53:18 -0600
From: Harry Elston <helston@FGI.NET>
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
In-Reply-To: <48e48d55.34f01d7f@aol.com>
At 07:43 AM 2/22/98 EST, you wrote:
>JAK: In general, lab employees are covered by the lab standard in all of
>their employer's labs. There may be different chemical hygiene plan
>provisions for different labs within the facility. So, the R&D chemist
>mentioned above might need to follow unique precautions in the
>"isocyanate lab".
>
>I don't view the Lab Standard as necessarily supporting a more relaxed
>labeling system. For example, the lab standard does not suggest that
>it's ok to not label secondary containers you use on your shift. The lab
>standard asks the employer to define the standard operating procedures.
>This likely should include labeling practices. How do others see this?
The Lab Standard, at least as I read it is relatively silent on the issue
of labeling with the possible exception of incoming containers not being
defaced. This is not the same as stating that the Lab Standard supports a
more relaxed labeling system, nor does it suggest that secondary containers
need not be labeled. However its complete silence on the issue indicates
that a labeling system in not federally mandated. It is completely up to
the facility to determine the hazard and set forth criteria in the Chemical
Hygiene Plan for labeling of secondary containers.
The "prudent practice" is, of course, always labeling any containers which
are used in the laboratory. However, I can't see a violation of the
Laboratory Standard if a chemist fails to label a beaker of acid from which
he is pouring from. There may be a violation of the local CHP if it
addresses such issues, but not the Lab Standard.
Jim...back to you...what do you see?
Harry
Harry J. Elston, Ph.D., NRCC-CHO
Chemical Hygiene Officer
Illinois Department of Nuclear Safety
My opinions only, not my employers, blah, blah, blah
"Sometimes the need to mess with their heads outweighs
the millstone of humiliation"
-Fox Mulder
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:58:09 -0500
From: SLYPIG <SLYPIG@PRODIGY.NET>
Subject: Re: NACHO Meeting Locations
To all:
The reason I signed up with the Labsafe Listserv was in hopes of locating
others who are interested in using the parameters of safety to explore the
potential for forced limitation of class size in high school laboratories.
I am a secondary ed science teacher (Biology/Forensics) who just finished a
six-year stint in program office work with the full (unrealized) intent of
fostering bureaucratic stratagems for the limitation of class size.
Inner city kids, at the mercy of poverty, dysfunctional parentage and
greedy administrators (student # = money) experience lab much as home-ec
students used to learn Betty Crocker.
This ain't science.
Is there anyone on this list serve with similar intent?
John Cunningham
President, NY Biology Teachers Association
slypig@prodigy.net
----------
> From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: NACHO Meeting Locations
> Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 7:22 AM
>
> In a message dated 98-02-17 09:13:19 EST, Donald Conner wrote:
> << Also, what does one need to do to become a NACHO member? >>
>
> JAK: The NACHO announcement explained that ... "To become a
> member or affiliate member, subscribe to LABSAFETY-L." That's it.
>
> Membership is free. Everyone on this listserv is a member of NACHO
> by virtue of having subscribed to the listserv. That's the membership
> process at this time. Full membership is for those who are CHO's.
> Affiliate Membership is for those who are interested in lab
safety/cho/chp
> issues.
>
> As the organization grows, the members will need to decide whether it
> wants to have bylaws, become incorporated, hold public meetings,
> develop position papers, have other lab safety/cho/chp related
activities.
>
============================================================
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:12:12 -0500
From: SLYPIG <SLYPIG@PRODIGY.NET>
Subject: Re: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD3FB5.04297C20"
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01BD3FB5.04297C20
Jim:
Gauss Busters is the moniker I applied to a recently unsuccessful attempt
at moonlighting with densitometer in hand. After I spent several hundred
dollars advertising my services (residential household gauss-density
mapping) public TV came out with the announcement that all the scientists
funded by power companies didn't think that there was any demonstrable
danger to folks living within such fields.
I now consider myself Gauss Busted.
However, I've kept my bibliographies (please let me know if the file
attachment came through)and continue to read up on the latest horror and
success stories generated in this ambiguous social zone.
There is a reasonable amount of research to show that regeneration of
tissue and the diffuse generation of genetic/endocrine disorders may
include ELF as a parameter.
If I were a fanatic, I'd have quit my day job for it, but I like high
school teaching too much!
-John Cunningham
----------
> From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
> To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Electrical transformer safety;training effectiveness
> Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 10:30 PM
>
> In a message dated 98-02-20 00:58:16 EST, John Cunningham wrote:
>
> << I have a relatively up-to-date bibliography on the literature, if you
want
> it. --John Cunningham President, Gauss-Busters >>
>
> JAK: Can the bibliography be posted to the list? Please tell us more
> about Gauss Busters. Sound interesting.
>
> I've stopped leaning next to the microwave while my old coffee is
reheating!
>
============================================================
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 08:30:54 -0600
From: Robert Murphy <murphy@BGNET.BGSU.EDU>
Subject: Laboratory Ventilation
I am looking for information on laboratory ventilation. I have a teaching
lab that use 5 or 6 auxiliary air supplied hoods and one conventional hood.
Most of the students' work is done at the benchs because the lab does not
have enough hood space for the students. I have the AIHA/ANSI Z9.5-1992
standard. It addresses general and dilution ventilation in a very general
sence. I am looking for some standard or guidline addressing general
laboratory ventilation. I have heard that the volume flow rate of air
moving through a laboratory should be at least 1.0 to 2.0 cubic feet per
minute per square foot of floor area. Does anyone know where that comes from?
I am planning on testing the hoods but the auxiliary air hoods are drawing
the air that is being suppied to them and just a little of the laboratory
air. Only one hood is drawing the lab air. I want to characterize the
general ventilation of the lab but I need something to compare it to. If
anyone has any good references, I love to hear about them.
Hope someone can help.
Robert Murphy, Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety
Bowling Green State Universtiy
Phone : (419) 372-2171
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:06:20 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: glove chart
Comments: To: SALLY_COOPER@HP-Corvallis-om1.om.hp.com
Sally,I agree that a glove chart can vary depending on thickness,
manufacturer etc.
I would be happy to mail you a copy of the MAPA Professional chart which was
published recently, which lists what I wrote for acetone and aniline. This
is why I listed the references, I do not want to be held personally
responsible but I also would like the information available. There is lots
of conflicting information out there depending on where and when the
information was obtained. I guess something is better than nothing. Any way
this is what the university printed in it's lab safety manual.
Hope that addresses your concerns and questions.
-----Original Message-----
From: SALLY_COOPER@HP-Corvallis-om1.om.hp.com
<SALLY_COOPER@HP-Corvallis-om1.om.hp.com>
To: heather_ratcliffe@UNC.edu <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.edu>
Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: glove chart
> Hello Heather,
>
> I have reviewed some of the chemicals on your reference chart. I have
> a "Quick Selection Guide to Chemical Protective Clothing", by Fosberg
> and Mansdorf, and "Guidelines for the Selection of Chemical Protective
> Clothing" by ACGIH, 3rd edition.
>
> There are discrepancies between your list and these references for
> some of the chemicals. I did a quick scan of your list, looking at
> the chemicals you rated as "E" for Natural Rubber gloves. Some of the
> differences between my references and your chart are for Acetone,
> Aniline (Natural Rubber is ok for only a couple of amines in my
> references), Formaldehyde, and Methanol. My references indicate
> Natural Rubber is a poor choice for these chemicals.
>
> The differences could be due to glove manufacturer, material
> thickness, testing parameters, age of reference (the ACGIH reference
> is from 1987), chemical concentration, or opinions about how to
> interpret conflicting data (I would not consider a Weight Change of
> 11-20% to be "Good"). I don't think you are wrong, just that you
> should get another opinion or two about some of these recommendations,
> or add some information about circumstances of expected use. A glove
> may be a poor choice if contact is probable, but ok under a controlled
> situation where contact is not likely or would be obvious to the user
> enabling them to change gloves frequently.
>
> The usual disclaimers apply, my opinions only, mileage may vary,
> batteries not included, opinions subject to revision as additional
> knowledge and experience are gained, ect.
>
> Your response is welcome.
>
> Sally Cooper
> sallyc@cv.hp.com
>
>Subject: glove chart
>Author: Non-HP-heather-ratcliffe (heather_ratcliffe@UNC.edu) at
>HP-CORVALLIS,mimegw01
>Date: 2/17/98 11:29 AM
>
>
>here is our lastest version of a glove reference chart, if you find any
>mistakes please let me know, it is for our new lab safety manual and is not
>at the printer yet. If you can think of any chemical most likely to be used
>in a lab, let me know and we can add them :) all input appreciated
>
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:09:48 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: mapa glove charts
I have several , send me your snail mail addresses and i will ship them off
for those who desire one
first come , first serve (:
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:14:03 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: gauss-busters???
whats a gauss-buster????
I am quite curious!!
as for leaning up against the microwave....I'll be changing my ways , who'd
ever thought.... (:
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:53:17 -0800
From: Roberta Black <srblack@NIDC.EDU>
Subject: mapa glove charts -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
Please send a glove chart to
Roberta Black
North Idaho College
1000 W. Garden Ave.
Coeur d'Alene, ID 83814
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:03:26 -0600
From: "Daniel R. Omilianowski" <do@WOHL.SLH.WISC.EDU>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
I would greatly appreciate receiving a copy.
Dan
At 12:09 PM 2/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I have several , send me your snail mail addresses and i will ship them off
>for those who desire one
>first come , first serve (:
>
>
Daniel R.Omilianowski
Wisconsin Occupational Health Lab
Wisconsin State Laboratory of Hygiene
979 Jonathon Drive
Madison, WI 53713
800-446-0403
FAX 608-263-6551
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:44:24 -0700
From: Gene Rugotzke <GRUGOT@MISSC.STATE.WY.US>
Subject: mapa glove charts -Reply
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please send a copy to:
Gene Rugotzke
Wy Chem Test Prog
597 Hathaway Bldg
Cheyenne, WY 82002
Thank you=20
Gene:-)
>>> Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU> 02/23/98 09:09am
>>>
I have several , send me your snail mail addresses and i will ship them =
off
for those who desire one
first come , first serve (:
========================================================================
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:35:10 EST
From: Kathryn Wagner <Sheepies1@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
Please send a copy of mapa glove chart to:
Kathy Wagner
9209 Fall River Lane
Potomac, MD 20854
Thank you!
========================================================================
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:43:24 PST8PDT
From: Debbie Decker <DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fume Hood Video
Comments: To: safety@list.uvm.edu
Greetings:
A thousand thank yous for the information on fume hood
videos. It was most helpful and impressed the asker of the question
with my speed and good information.
Thank you all once again for making me look good :-)
<insert disclaimer here>
Cheers,
Debbie D.
("Mom!! The sun's out! Can I wear shorts to school?" "It's
35F this morning! No, you may not!")
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:00:43 -0800
From: Russel Shearer <shearerr@USFCA.EDU>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
Heather
I would find a copy of your glove selection chart (mapa glove chart) very
useful.
My snail mail address is:
Environmental Safety Office
2130 Fulton Street
San Francisco, CA 94117-1080
Thanks in advance.
Russel Shearer
shearerr@usfca.edu
EH&S, CHO, RSO, etc........
University of San Francisco
Two Important Things To Remember For a Long and Productive Life
1. Never sweat the small stuff.
2. Everything's small stuff.
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:30:14 -0500
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
In-Reply-To: <01bd4075$76bb9c80$10c30298@hrr.www.adp.unc.edu>
At 12:09 PM 2/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>I have several , send me your snail mail addresses and i will ship them off
>for those who desire one
>first come , first serve (:
>
If I am not to late, please send me a glove chart.
Thanks
Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:07:51 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
dewey emai me your snail address (us post mail)
-----Original Message-----
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
>At 12:09 PM 2/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>I have several , send me your snail mail addresses and i will ship them
off
>>for those who desire one
>>first come , first serve (:
>>
>
>If I am not to late, please send me a glove chart.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
>mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
>UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
>"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
>"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:04:46 PST8PDT
From: Debbie Decker <DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fume Hood Video - summary
Comments: To: safety@list.uvm.edu
At the request of a colleague, I'm posting a summary of what I
received.
Long Island Productions: "Laboratory Hoods" 800.397.5215
Howard Hughes Medical Institute: "Practicing Safe Science" (has some
information on hoods, peripheral to the rest of the tape)
Industrial Training Systems Corp.: "Lab Hood Safety" copyrighted by
Nalco Chemical Co. (no phone number for them)
Wynn O. Jones and Associates: 715.359.5196
And there is a video available from USGS on fume hoods.
If you need more information, feel free to contact me privately.
Thanks again for all your help.
Cheers,
Deb.
<insert disclaimer here>
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:44:11 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Haz. Commun. vs Lab Stand.
In a message dated 98-02-22 16:53:39 EST, Harry wrote:
<< Jim...back to you...what do you see? >>
JAK: Looks to me like Harry and I are in agreement. Or, did I miss
something?
============================================================
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:44:12 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Class Size and Lab Safety
Mime-Version: 1.0
In a message dated 98-02-22 17:29:38 EST, John Cunningham wrote:
<< The reason I signed up with the Labsafe Listserv was in hopes of locating
others who are interested in using the parameters of safety to explore the
potential for forced limitation of class size in high school laboratories. >>
JAK: A few years ago, The Laboratory Safety Workshop published a report
"There's No Safety In Numbers" about class size and lab accidents. Marilyn
Steele at Tewksbury High School was the principal author and completed the
study as part of a continuing education project with our Center. The report
reviews the literature in the area and surveryed state departments of
education
and science education organizations for laws and policies. It summarizes
successful teacher efforts to reduce class size.
For more information about obtaining a copy of the report, please contact
LSI directly.
The Laboratory Safety Workshop
============================================================
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:48:03 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
whats the street and zip??
-----Original Message-----
From: Dewey Williams <williams@UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
>At 12:09 PM 2/23/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>I have several , send me your snail mail addresses and i will ship them
off
>>for those who desire one
>>first come , first serve (:
>>
>
>If I am not to late, please send me a glove chart.
>
>Thanks
>
>Dewey Williams - Lab Manager
>mailto:williams@email.uncc.edu
>UNC-Charlotte Chemistry Dept. http://www.chem.uncc.edu
>"These are my ideas and no one else will claim them."
>"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
========================================================================
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:54:39 -0400
From: Heather Ratcliffe <heather_ratcliffe@UNC.EDU>
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
sent (:
-----Original Message-----
From: Russel Shearer <shearerr@USFCA.EDU>
To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
>Heather
>I would find a copy of your glove selection chart (mapa glove chart) very
>useful.
>My snail mail address is:
>
>Environmental Safety Office
>2130 Fulton Street
>San Francisco, CA 94117-1080
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Russel Shearer
>shearerr@usfca.edu
>EH&S, CHO, RSO, etc........
>University of San Francisco
>
>
>
>Two Important Things To Remember For a Long and Productive Life
>1. Never sweat the small stuff.
>2. Everything's small stuff.
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 07:57:20 PST8PDT
From: Debbie Decker <DECKERD@FACMGMTSERVER.FM.CSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Fume Hood Video - oops
Comments: To: safety@list.uvm.edu
I left out one item from my video summary - sometimes those details
get lost in the shuffle.
So, in the interests of completeness:
"Safe Use of Chemical Fumehoods" by Eagleson Institute.
Contact at eagleson@bakerco.com
Regards,
Debbie Decker, Chemical Hygiene Officer
Environmental Health & Safety
CSU, Sacramento
6000 J St.
Sacramento, CA USA 95819.6002
Voice: 916.278.5165 FAX: 916.278.5960
ddecker@csus.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:26:42 -0500
From: Diana Harding <DHARDING@MAIL.NYSED.GOV>
Subject: mapa glove charts -Reply
Content-Type: text/plain
Please send one glove chart to Diana Harding; 674 EBA; New York State
Education Department; Albany, New York 12234. Thanks!
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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:38:00 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Requests for Materials
JAK: Recently several members have been sending their
requests for the glove charts to LABSAFETY-L. Since
these messages get distributed to the entire membership,
it might be better to send specific requests directly to the
person making the offer.
============================================================
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:07:04 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: ACS CHO Exam Prep Course
"How to be a More Effective Chemical Hygiene Officer."
Saturday, March 28th, 1998 - 8 AM - 4 PM - LeMeridien Hotel, Dallas, TX
ACS Division of Chemical Health and Safety presents -
"How to be a More Effective Chemical Hygiene Officer." by
James A. Kaufman, Kaufman & Associates
Russ Phifer, Environmental Assets, Inc.
George H. Wahl, Jr., North Carolina State University
This Workshop will thoroughly review the OSHA Lab Standard and those
related concepts that are essential for any person hoping to function as a
Chemical Hygiene Officer.
This workshop will present a complete introduction to the OSHA Laboratory
Standard, including the most common formats and components of a Chemical
Hygiene Plan. Guidance will be provided in the development of a chemical
hygiene program structure; discussion will include all of the required
components, as well as recommendations on making the plan even more
effective.
This course is designed to prepare students for the Chemical Hygiene
Officer Certification Test, to be presented the following day. The test
and certification program are administered by the National Registry of
Clinical Chemists. Focus of the workshop will be on the Chemical Hygiene
Officer (CHO) position and responsibilities normally assigned to the CHO by
an employer. Special attention will be paid to technical responsibilities
associated with preventing personnel exposures, the requirements of the Lab
Standard, and laboratory safety issues.
The fee for this Workshop is $ 325. (or $ 275. if you are a member of ACS
Division of Chemical Health and Safety) which includes refreshments, a
Certificate of Completion, and a Workbook.
Please send a check or purchase order made out to -
"Division of Chemical Health & Safety " to:
Environmental Assets, Inc.
909 Old Fernhill Road
West Chester, PA 19380
Attn: Russ Phifer
A firm, paid reservation must be received three weeks in advance (no
later than March 7th!) if you plan to ask for the member discount.
Questions about the course may be directed to Russ Phifer at
610-429-1555; envasset@juno.com ;
or, FAX 610-429-1556.
Early registration is essential to guarantee a place. If insufficient
registrations are received, the workshop may be canceled.
Disclaimer -
While this Workshop is scheduled for the convenience of those persons
taking the "Certification for Chemical Hygiene Officers" Examination
scheduled for Saturday, March 28th, there is no connection expressed or
implied between the National Registry for Clinical Chemistry which will be
administering the examination, and the Division of Chemical Health and
Safety of the American Chemical Society which will be providing this
Workshop.
The CHO certification examination is scheduled for Saturday, March 28th.
from 6-9 PM
For additional information on the examination, and to register for the
examination, please contact Dr. Gilbert E. Smith, Executive Director of the
National Registry in Clinical Chemistry at NRCC6@aol.com; or, call (202)
393-7140
============================================================
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:07:13 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: Laboratory Ventilation
In a message dated 98-02-23 09:33:50 EST, Robert Murphy writes:
<< I have heard that the volume flow rate of air moving through a
laboratory should be at least 1.0 to 2.0 cubic feet per minute per
square foot of floor area >>
JAK: This sounds like the recommendation of David Pipitone in 'Safe
Storage of Chemicals in Laboratories" published by John Wiley (2nd Ed.).
He was refering to chemical store rooms and not labs in general.
Often, it is the Department of Public Health which specifies the volume
of fresh air per minute per person that is required. The circulation of air
(a separate issue) is often recommended at 4-12 room air changes per
hour depending on the use of the room.
============================================================
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:27:51 +1300
From: Nigel McCarter <n.mccarter@CLEAR.NET.NZ>
Subject: Training effectiveness
Here is another query from down under.
We all operate on the basis that training makes people safer and saves
money ...
Anyone know of a proper "scientific" type survey which would show this.
I've been asked for data to help strengthen the case for training money in
next years budget.
I'm searching the academic data bases and also www sites.
If anyone has any favourite sites please reply direct. I will eventually
post a summary back to Lab safety
Thank you
Nigel
n.mccarter@clear.net.nz
Nigel McCarter
Safety Management and Information Services Ltd
Box 23 019 Hamilton
Phone 64 7 858 2429 Fax 64 858 2689
Mobile 025 274 8560
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 07:25:26 EST
From: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Lab Safety Training Opportunities
Comments: To: Safety <SAFETY@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>,
nsela-l@science.coe.uwf.edu, dchas-l@SIU.EDU,
CHEMLAB-L@Beaver.Bemidji.msus.edu, chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu,
APCHEM-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
Opportunities for Lab Safety and Chemical Hygiene Officer Training:
(Updated February 26, 1998)
March 3 Braintree, MA Massachusetts Safety Council
Half-Day seminar on How to Start a Lab Safety Program
March 11 Reno, NV Washoe County Public Schools
One-day seminar on safety in technology education
March 27 Dallas, TX American Chemical Society Nat'l Mtg
One-day seminar on lab safety. Contact Russ Phifer
envasset@juno.com
March 28 Dallas, TX American Chemical Society Nat'l Mtg
One-day seminar on "How to be a more Effective CHO
Contact Russ Phifer envasset@juno.com
April 4 New York, NY Science Council of New York City
Lab Safety Presentations
April 8 Bangor, ME Maine Safety Council
One-day lab safety seminar
April 9 Portland, ME Maine Safety Council
One-day lab safety seminar
April 23 South Padre Island, TX SW Assn of Forensic Scientists
One-day lab safety seminars
April 30 Vancouver, BC Simon Fraser University
One-Day lab safety seminar
May 30 Philadelphia, PA American Institute of Chemists
One-day Lab Safety Seminar
June 15-16 Houston,TX Harris County Board of Education
One-day seminars on science safety for secondary and
elementary
June 17-21 San Marcos, TX Southwest Texas State University
A 24-hour course in lab safety for secondary science
teachers. Call Tricia McGann at LSI
June 22-25 Raleigh/Durham, NC LS&EM'98 will host a one-day
lab safety seminar and one-day workshop on How to
Be a more Effective CHO Call Dawnn Pecharka
301-840-5784 Prizimnet@aol.com
July 7-11 Reno, NV University of Nevada-Reno
A 24-hour course in lab safety for college and
university
science faculty and staff. Call Tricia McGann at
LSI
July 15-19 Boston, MA Northeastern University
A 24-hour course in lab safety for secondary science
teachers. Call Tricia McGann at LSI
July 29-Aug 1 Charleston, SC College of Charleston A 24-hour
lab safety course for college and university science
educators Call Tricia McGann at LSI
August 17 Pittsburgh. PA Carnegie Mellon University
One-Day seminar on lab safety for students
August 21 Boston, MA American Chemical Society Nat'l Mtg
One-day seminar on lab safety. Contact Russ Phifer
envasset@juno.com
August 22 Boston, MA American Chemical Society Nat'l Mtg
One-day seminar on "How to be a more Effective CHO
Contact Russ Phifer envasset@juno.com
Please send information about other lab safety training opportunities to
LSI so that that these events can be included in future updates.
For more information about any of the lab safety programs listed
above, please contact the person indicated or email reply here.
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:48:53 EST
From: Wayne Wood <wayne@PHYRES.LAN.MCGILL.CA>
Organization: McGill University
Subject: Lab Safety Training Opportunities
Running out of time to register for this one, but just in case...
March 2 - 3 New Orleans. LA. Pittcon Conference short course # 624
Two - day course on Lab Safety and Hygiene
Wayne Wood
McGill University
Montreal
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:51:20 -0600
From: mathiason dennis <mathias@MHD1.MOORHEAD.MSUS.EDU>
Subject: Re: Laboratory Ventilation
In-Reply-To: <2eb4cb6f.34f4ce53@aol.com>
I understand there have been essentially three ventilation rate
recommendations. These are:
OSHA 4-12 ach (also found in Prudent Practices)
ASHRAE Handbook 1995 6-10 ach(occupied)
NFPA 4(unoccupied area) and 8(occupied)
Handbook of Laboratory Safety >6 ach
In addition there are recs for animal care facilities and areas where
flammables are stored.
Dennis R.Mathiason, Director, Department of Environmental Hlth & Safety
Moorhead State University, Moorhead,MN 56563
email: mathias@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Fax 218-236-2882 Ph 218-287-5056
On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Jim Kaufman wrote:
> In a message dated 98-02-23 09:33:50 EST, Robert Murphy writes:
>
> << I have heard that the volume flow rate of air moving through a
> laboratory should be at least 1.0 to 2.0 cubic feet per minute per
> square foot of floor area >>
>
> JAK: This sounds like the recommendation of David Pipitone in 'Safe
> Storage of Chemicals in Laboratories" published by John Wiley (2nd Ed.).
> He was refering to chemical store rooms and not labs in general.
>
> Often, it is the Department of Public Health which specifies the volume
> of fresh air per minute per person that is required. The circulation of air
> (a separate issue) is often recommended at 4-12 room air changes per
> hour depending on the use of the room.
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:25:30 -0800
From: Russel Shearer <shearerr@USFCA.EDU>
Subject: Your quick response is much appreciated
Cheers Heather!
Russ Shearer
>sent (:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Russel Shearer <shearerr@USFCA.EDU>
>To: LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU <LABSAFETY-L@SIU.EDU>
>Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 5:19 PM
>Subject: Re: mapa glove charts
>
>
>>Heather
>>I would find a copy of your glove selection chart (mapa glove chart) very
>>useful.
>>My snail mail address is:
>>
>>Environmental Safety Office
>>2130 Fulton Street
>>San Francisco, CA 94117-1080
>>
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>Russel Shearer
>>shearerr@usfca.edu
>>EH&S, CHO, RSO, etc........
>>University of San Francisco
>>
>>
>>
>>Two Important Things To Remember For a Long and Productive Life
>>1. Never sweat the small stuff.
>>2. Everything's small stuff.
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 20:36:47 EST
From: Labsafe <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Fwd: Laboratory Ventilation
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To: Jim Kaufman <Labsafe@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:07:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Laboratory Ventilation
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Jim,
Another good source of info for acceptable indoor air quality can be
found in ASHRAE62-1989, Standard Ventilation for Acceptable Indoor
Air Quality. Also, might want to point out that the required
ventilation depends on the problem, not on the size of the room in
which it occurs. Additional source of info can be found in the
Industrial Ventilation Manual now on its 22nd edition I think.
Industrial Ventilation manual publication of ACGIH. Library of
Congress Catalog Card number 62-12929 (for 20th edition);
ISBN:0-936712-79-1 (also 20th edition). Hope this helps!
Greg Fox | Phone (405) 744-7241
Environmental Hazards Coordinator | Fax (405) 744-7148
Environmental Health Services | email greg@pp.okstate.edu
Oklahoma State University |
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:11:17 EST
From: Labsafe <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: CHO/Lab Safety Books
Comments: To: Safety <SAFETY@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>,
nsela-l@science.coe.uwf.edu, dchas-l@SIU.EDU,
chemlab_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu, chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu,
APCHEM-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
The Question we posed was "What books should be on the
CHO's book shelf?" Here's what you suggested. I added an asterisk
each time the book was repeated. ...jak
Academic Laboratory Chemical Hazards Guidebook by William J.
Mahn, Van Nostrand Reinhold Publishing (VNR)
Aldrich Catalog
ANSI standards, eyewear, material safety data sheet preparation, etc.
Biosafety in the Laboratory - Prudent Practices for the Handling and
Disposal of Infectious Wastes from the NRC
Bretherick's Handbook of Reactive Chemical Hazards *
Code of Federal Regulations
29 CFR 1910 *
40 CFR 260-299
49 CFR 100-199
Campus Safety Health & Environmental Management Association's
membership directory
CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety
Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials (7th Edition) by Sax and
Lewis, Van Nostrand Reinhold Publishing *
Emergency Response Guidebook, 1993 (DOT response to hazmat incidents)
First Aid Manual for Chemical Accidents, 2nd ed., VNR
Fisher Safety catalog
Fundamentals of Laboratory Safety by William J. Mahn, VNR
General Chemistry textbook (recent edition)
Guidelines for Laboratory Design: Health and Safety Considerations,
2nd ed., by L. J. DiBerardinis, and others
Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary *
Hazardous Chemicals Information and Disposal Guide 3rd ed, by
Armour, Browne & Wier -- (the bible for sane treatment of
hazardous wastes from labs)
Hazards in the Chemical Laboratory, 4th ed., The Royal Society
of Chemistry
Improving Safety in the Chemical Laboratory: A Practical Guide,
2nd ed., John Wiley & Sons
Laboratory Control and Safety Solutions Application Guide (Landis &
Gyr Powers, 1993)
McMurray's Organic Chemistry text
The Merk Index NFPA 30 - flammables and combustible liquids *
NFPA 45 - fire protection for laboratories using chemicals *
NFPA 49 - hazardous chemicals data *
NFPA 101 - life safety
NFPA 407-1985 (Identification of the Fire Hazards of Materials)
NFPA 491M-1991 (Hazardous Chemcial Reactions)
National Safety Council's Accident Facts (1989-1996)
Pipitone's Safe Storage of Laboratory Chemicals
Prudent Practices in the Laboratory *Radiological Health Handbook
Registry of Toxic Effects from NIOSH
Roget's Thesaurus
Treadwell and Hall's Analytical Chemistry, 2nd ed, Qualitative
and Quantitative Analysis (J. Wiley & Sons, 1903).
Uniform Fire Code, 1994 (vols 1 and 2)
Webster's Dictionary
============================================================
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:07:46 -0500
From: "Herbert H. Gottlieb" <herbgottlieb@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: CHO/Lab Safety Books
Comments: To: Labsafe@aol.com
Comments: cc: SAFETY@UVMVM.UVM.EDU, nsela-l@science.coe.uwf.edu,
dchas-l@SIU.EDU, chemlab_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu,
chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu, APCHEM-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
Which of the publications below, IF ANY, deal with laser safety?
Herb Gottlieb herbgottlieb@juno.com
On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:11:17 EST Labsafe <Labsafe@aol.com> writes:
>The Question we posed was "What books should be on the
>CHO's book shelf?" Here's what you suggested. I added an asterisk
>each time the book was repeated. ...jak
>
>Academic Laboratory Chemical Hazards Guidebook by William J.
> Mahn, Van Nostrand Reinhold Publishing (VNR)
>Aldrich Catalog
>ANSI standards, eyewear, material safety data sheet preparation, etc.
>Biosafety in the Laboratory - Prudent Practices for the Handling and
> Disposal of Infectious Wastes from the NRC
>Bretherick's Handbook of Reactive Chemical Hazards *
>Code of Federal Regulations
> 29 CFR 1910 *
> 40 CFR 260-299
> 49 CFR 100-199
>Campus Safety Health & Environmental Management Association's
> membership directory
>CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics
>CRC Handbook of Laboratory Safety
>Dangerous Properties of Industrial Materials (7th Edition) by Sax and
> Lewis, Van Nostrand Reinhold Publishing *
>Emergency Response Guidebook, 1993 (DOT response to hazmat incidents)
>First Aid Manual for Chemical Accidents, 2nd ed., VNR
>Fisher Safety catalog
>Fundamentals of Laboratory Safety by William J. Mahn, VNR
>General Chemistry textbook (recent edition)
>Guidelines for Laboratory Design: Health and Safety Considerations,
> 2nd ed., by L. J. DiBerardinis, and others
>Hawley's Condensed Chemical Dictionary *
>Hazardous Chemicals Information and Disposal Guide 3rd ed, by
> Armour, Browne & Wier -- (the bible for sane treatment of
> hazardous wastes from labs)
>Hazards in the Chemical Laboratory, 4th ed., The Royal Society
> of Chemistry
>Improving Safety in the Chemical Laboratory: A Practical Guide,
> 2nd ed., John Wiley & Sons
>Laboratory Control and Safety Solutions Application Guide (Landis &
> Gyr Powers, 1993)
>McMurray's Organic Chemistry text
>The Merk Index >NFPA 30 - flammables and combustible liquids *
>NFPA 45 - fire protection for laboratories using chemicals *
>NFPA 49 - hazardous chemicals data *
>NFPA 101 - life safety
>NFPA 407-1985 (Identification of the Fire Hazards of Materials)
>NFPA 491M-1991 (Hazardous Chemcial Reactions)
>National Safety Council's Accident Facts (1989-1996)
>Pipitone's Safe Storage of Laboratory Chemicals
>Prudent Practices in the Laboratory *>Radiological Health Handbook
>Registry of Toxic Effects from NIOSH
>Roget's Thesaurus
>Treadwell and Hall's Analytical Chemistry, 2nd ed, Qualitative
> and Quantitative Analysis (J. Wiley & Sons, 1903).
>Uniform Fire Code, 1994 (vols 1 and 2)
>Webster's Dictionary
>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:12:52 EST
From: Labsafe <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Anatomy Lab Coat Hazard
JAK: I thought NACHO members might be interested in the
following response and the question which prompted it.....
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:53:59 -0500
From: Jame Bukowski <jbukowsk@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu>
Subject: Re: anatomy lab coat hazard
Vickie,
Most likely the preserving solution in the gross lab is cadaver wetting
solution. The dominant odor from this will be phenol, which will mask
the formaldehyde. Past results from sampling INSIDE the lab during
class has shown levels of phenol and formaldehyde to be below the PEL.
However, there is definitely an odor. Sounds more like a political
issue than a safety issue to me. Good luck.
Vickie Behrends wrote:
> Hello safety netters. I am in the middle of a turf war
> that one party is claiming a hazard. Our anatomy
> staff would like to hang the lab coats worn in to the
> gross anatomy labs in a semi public anteroom. The
> professor who does not want them to hang them
> there is claiming a health hazard from the smell if they
> are not laundered for awhile. This is outside of his
> office. I have tried to suggest putting them in a closed
> metal cabinet, but he still claims the smell from the
> formaldehyde poses a health hazard. I really don't
> believe that this odor will be above the limits for
> formaldehyde. Has anyone had any experience with
> this, if so I need some assistance. You may contact
> me off the list at behrends@uomhs.edu. Thank you
> for listening!!
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:07:08 -0700
From: John Delahunt <Jdelahunt@CC.COLORADO.EDU>
Subject: Re: CHO/Lab Safety Books
Content-type: text/plain
> Which of the publications below, IF ANY, deal with laser safety?
>
None of them, except maybe, maybe, the CRC lab safety book and Prudent
Practices.
For developing a laser safety prgram, the best course is probably to get
the ANSI standard on lasers and meet with laser users to explain what
the standard calls for and how thye would like to make lasers safer to
use in your facility. That's what we intend to do, though we've only
gotten the ANSI standard thus far.
John
John DeLaHunt, EH&S Manager
The Colorado College
1125 Glen Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719)389-6678 vox
(719)389-6981 fax
jdelahunt@cc.colorado.edu
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:32:55 EST
From: Labsafe <Labsafe@AOL.COM>
Subject: Two Recent Questions
Comments: To: Safety <SAFETY@UVMVM.UVM.EDU>,
dchas-l@siu.edu, chemlab_L@vax1.bemidji.msus.edu,
chemed-l@atlantis.uwf.edu, APCHEM-L@LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
I wanted to share the reply to two questions LSI received recently....jak
<< I am concerned about how many students are safe in my tiny lab, are there
regulations and where do I find them??? Also where can I find a list of the
chemicals that I should not have due to safety reasons!! I am sure we have
a lot!! >>
The Laboratory Safety Workshop published a report on Class Size and Lab
Accidents. The title was "There's No Safety In Numbers". The report surveys
the literature on the subject, the policies of state and federal regulators
and
associations, and teacher approaches to solving the problem. The cost is
$7.50 plus shipping and handling ($4.00).
I wrote a article relating to your second question. The title was "The
Wrong Question". It was published in one of the past issues of Speaking
of Safety. The main point was that I felt asking which chemicals we should
not have in the lab was the wrong question. The right question is which
chemicals do you need to teach the science. And, do you have the
knowledge of the hazards, the necessary protective equipment and facilities,
sufficiently mature students, and proper emergency preparation so that the
pedigogical benefits of the activity, demonstration, or experiment outweigh
the risks. LSI trys to help teachers gather the information needed to make
informed choices.
In the meantime, prior to even considering getting rid of any chemicals, the
ones you should not use are the ones whose hazards are not well understood.
Do you have MSDS's for all the ones you are using?
The "Manual of Safety and Health Hazards in Schools Science Lab", "School
Science Labs: A guide to Some Hazardous Substances", and "Reduction
of Hazardous Waste in HS Chem Labs" all have extra information about the
hazards of common lab chemicals and experiments. "New Chemicals for Old"
suggests some substitutions. All are available from LSI.
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